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Old 10th November 2016, 06:36 AM   #1
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Cool Ranked-Choice Voting

Most people who post on this forum are smarter than me, so I thought I'd see how people would feel about Ranked-Choice voting in the US. I know a couple states have tried to skirt the Electoral College with the proportional award (ME, NE, and CO are the only ones so far, right?). But Maine also just approved a Ranked-Choice initiative.

Do you agree with this in principle?

How do you think this would have affected the election?

I for one am a bigger fan of Ranked-Choice than just one and done.

I think more people would have made a practical vote followed by a vote of conscience this time around. Not sure if it would have affected the outcome given the mechanics of the EC and that alt-right swell, but it may have.
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Old 10th November 2016, 08:24 AM   #2
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I've just had it explained to me in another thread and I'd like to see it tried at least.
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Old 10th November 2016, 09:41 AM   #3
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Ranked-Choice will work great when it gets your candidate elected. When it elects the other guy's candidate, it will be time to suggest a change to something else.
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Old 10th November 2016, 09:43 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
I've just had it explained to me in another thread and I'd like to see it tried at least.
I did the math. If Stein and Johnson votes went to their second choice, and assuming 100% of Stein votes went to Clinton, Trump needs 53% of the libertarian vote to take a popular vote majority. Would be tough, but I think people who don't follow the party underestimate libertarian dislike of Clinton.
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Old 10th November 2016, 09:58 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I did the math. If Stein and Johnson votes went to their second choice, and assuming 100% of Stein votes went to Clinton, Trump needs 53% of the libertarian vote to take a popular vote majority. Would be tough, but I think people who don't follow the party underestimate libertarian dislike of Clinton.
The Trump share of Johnson voters drops to 50% if he somehow captured 20% of Stein voters.
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Old 10th November 2016, 12:37 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by LarianLeQuella View Post
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Old 10th November 2016, 05:46 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Dumb All Over View Post
Ranked-Choice will work great when it gets your candidate elected. When it elects the other guy's candidate, it will be time to suggest a change to something else.
Nonsense. Voting systems are a field of study and there has been a lot of research into how different systems function. Some are objectively better than others.
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Old 10th November 2016, 06:39 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Dumb All Over View Post
Ranked-Choice will work great when it gets your candidate elected. When it elects the other guy's candidate, it will be time to suggest a change to something else.
Fascist dictatorship, IMO.
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Old 10th November 2016, 06:49 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Nonsense. Voting systems are a field of study and there has been a lot of research into how different systems function. Some are objectively better than others.
According to...who?
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Old 11th November 2016, 06:05 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Dumb All Over View Post
According to...who?
According to Concordet?

And about Ranked-Choice - why yet another name? The Brits called it Alternative Vote when they held a referendum on it a few years ago, but the canonical name is Instant-runoff voting. Why do I have to remember half a dozen names for the same voting system?

ETA: to be clear, for electing a single candidate for a single seat, I think IRV is a fine system. Its main attractions over the crude FPTP that the US employs now in virtually every election is that
1) it avoids the spoiler effect of "me too" candidates, where two similar candidates who are still preferred by a majority of the populace, lose out to another because their votes are split
2) it enables third parties greater visibility. You can still vote Nader with Gore as second choice without having to fear that Shrub wins.
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Originally Posted by ddt View Post
According to Concordet?

And about Ranked-Choice - why yet another name? The Brits called it Alternative Vote when they held a referendum on it a few years ago, but the canonical name is Instant-runoff voting. Why do I have to remember half a dozen names for the same voting system?
As we've been using it since 1918, we get to name it: Preferential Voting
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Originally Posted by Noztradamus View Post
As we've been using it since 1918, we get to name it: Preferential Voting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...-runoff_voting:
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William Robert Ware, the founder of the schools of architecture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and Columbia University,[1] invented IRV around 1870 by applying the Single Transferable Vote system to single winner elections.
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Old 14th November 2016, 07:56 AM   #13
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Well, smarter than I for sure.
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Nonsense. Voting systems are a field of study and there has been a lot of research into how different systems function. Some are objectively better than others.
Objectively better under certain arbitrary value judgments, that is.
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