Passing Peak Trump? - Page 10

Tero · 30th September 2018, 06:14 PM

I didn’t get nothing. Did you?

applecorped · 6th October 2018, 03:37 PM

Still not yet apparently

Stacyhs · 6th October 2018, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by AnonyMoose

Three years have passed and Rah Rah Trump™ is still going strong.

I'm starting to think it's not Trump that's the problem afterall...

*cough*

Ignorance can be fixed; stupidity is incurable.

applecorped · 7th October 2018, 04:30 AM

Well in the current Cavanaugh thread someone just predicted we just now passed Peak Trump, I'm sure this time it'll be correct.

The Great Zaganza · 8th October 2018, 10:45 AM

Doesn't he look tired?

Roger Ramjets · 8th October 2018, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Well in the current Cavanaugh thread someone just predicted we just now passed Peak Trump, I'm sure this time it'll be correct.

No, not yet.

Not even near the peak

applecorped · 13th October 2018, 06:03 AM

Maybe in 2020?

Brainster · 13th October 2018, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Trump is a classic "never going to happen" candidate, albeit with a little more name recognition than Herman Cain, who was leading in the polls at a similar point in 2011. Fiorina is another.

In case I ever get a swelled head about my predictions in politics, please feel free to bring this up.

Meadmaker · 13th October 2018, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by AnonyMoose

Three years have passed and Rah Rah Trump™ is still going strong.

I'm starting to think it's not Trump that's the problem afterall...

*cough*

I agree with Barack Obama, who said recently that Trump was not a cause of the problem, but a symptom.

Until the cause is removed, the symptom will persist.

applecorped · 15th October 2018, 12:47 PM

Any year now.

Slings and Arrows · 15th October 2018, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Any year now.

Six years from now.

The Great Zaganza · 16th October 2018, 08:45 AM

We have passed peak Trump.
But unfortunately, the required peak for re-election might be very small if the Democratic vote gets spoiled by a 3rd party candidate.

Eddie Dane · 17th October 2018, 06:19 AM

I didn't read the whole thread, but here is what I think will kill the Trump phenomenon:

The Fed raising interest rates.

This will set off the next bear market and will start a stock market decline that might be more severe than 2008.

Trump has publicly claimed again and again that the current economic climate is his doing and he has tied his reputation to it.

If this decline happens before the next election, we'll be rid of Trump. If the stock market success carries beyond that date, I have some bad news for you; a second term.

Of course, he could get the US into a war, but I've been happily surprised that he seems to stick to his isolationist leanings.

But my bet is that the economy will do him in.

The Great Zaganza · 17th October 2018, 06:22 AM

Trump supporters will always praise him for a good economy and blame Democrats for a bad one.

RecoveringYuppy · 17th October 2018, 06:23 AM

nitpick: "bear" not "bull".

Eddie Dane · 17th October 2018, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

nitpick: "bear" not "bull".

oops. Thanks, I'll correct that.

JoeMorgue · 17th October 2018, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Trump supporters will always praise him for a good economy and blame Democrats for a bad one.

Which is stupid. The "Economy" is a mixture of countless factors many going back decades very few of which the President has some sort of 1:1 direct control over and near none he has some sort of ability to make quick chance with. At best a President can make changes that might improve/lower the chances of the economy improving or declining at some in the mid to far future.

The President does not sit with a real time Economy Up/Down dial on his desk.

Eddie Dane · 17th October 2018, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Trump supporters will always praise him for a good economy and blame Democrats for a bad one.

He'll blame the Fed. A large portion of right-wing nuts thinks the Fed is a conspiracy anyway (something, something Rothschilds).

But the number of people who bought gold via Alex Jones' website is not big enough to save Trump when the market takes a 40% nosedive.

The Great Zaganza · 17th October 2018, 06:33 AM

The Fed is a Ponzi Scheme -
and Trump is upset that he doesn't get his cut.

Slings and Arrows · 17th October 2018, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

Trump has publicly claimed again and again that the current economic climate is his doing and he has tied his reputation to it.

If this decline happens before the next election, we'll be rid of Trump. If the stock market success carries beyond that date, I have some bad news for you; a second term.

"Bad news?"

Stock market success and Trump's re-election is bad news? Only if you are opposed to jobs and prosperity.

Eddie Dane · 18th October 2018, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows

"Bad news?"

Stock market success and Trump's re-election is bad news? Only if you are opposed to jobs and prosperity.

'Bad news' for the majority of the people on this forum.

I'd love a perpetually strong economy and lots of jobs. But the reality is that we live in a world with a boom-bust cycle with a roughly 10-year interval. The question is if the next bust starts before or after the next election.

Eddie Dane · 18th October 2018, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

The Fed is a Ponzi Scheme -
and Trump is upset that he doesn't get his cut.

Anyone who wants a cut from the Fed can buy shares in JP Morgan-Chase. They are the biggest stockholder in the Fed and receive a dividend.

applecorped · 19th October 2018, 11:28 AM

Tick tock

phiwum · 19th October 2018, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by applecorped

Tick tock

Ha ha! Ha ha. Honestly, time well spent! Totally made a salient point there. Those who think that Trump is a stain on the presidency will rethink their position now, I tell you what.

You are indeed a master debater, give or take a syllable.

Belz... · 19th October 2018, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by phiwum

Ha ha! Ha ha. Honestly, time well spent! Totally made a salient point there. Those who think that Trump is a stain on the presidency will rethink their position now, I tell you what.

You are indeed a master debater, give or take a syllable.

Don't take away a syllable. His posts are irreducibly complex.

Imhotep · 19th October 2018, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by phiwum

Ha ha! Ha ha. Honestly, time well spent! Totally made a salient point there. Those who think that Trump is a stain on the presidency will rethink their position now, I tell you what.

You are indeed a master debater, give or take a syllable.

Or... he trolled you with a two word post.

phiwum · 19th October 2018, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Imhotep

Or... he trolled you with a two word post.

Could be. Or it could be that I recognized his usual trolling tactic and, having grown tired of it, thought that a response pointing out his shallow strategy was worth it.

I mean, you could go either way. You might think he won. You might think that I had good reason to bitch about his tedious idiocy and chose to do so.

zorro99 · 19th October 2018, 12:11 PM

Trump supports physically attacking the press:f

Imhotep · 19th October 2018, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by phiwum

Could be. Or it could be that I recognized his usual trolling tactic and, having grown tired of it, thought that a response pointing out his shallow strategy was worth it.

I mean, you could go either way. You might think he won. You might think that I had good reason to bitch about his tedious idiocy and chose to do so.

I don't think those are mutually exclusive, and I gladly accept your explanation for why you felt the need to respond.

sir drinks-a-lot · 19th October 2018, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

We have passed peak Trump.
But unfortunately, the required peak for re-election might be very small if the Democratic vote gets spoiled by a 3rd party candidate.

Nice job of covering all your bases.

The Great Zaganza · 19th October 2018, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot

Nice job of covering all your bases.

thank you!

Roger Ramjets · 19th October 2018, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Eddie Dane

the reality is that we live in a world with a boom-bust cycle with a roughly 10-year interval. The question is if the next bust starts before or after the next election.

Hopefully after. Trump isn't done wreaking conservatives' reputations yet. A second term will make the downturn worse, and make it harder for Republicans to pin it on Democrats (they will still try of course...).

LSSBB · 19th October 2018, 09:05 PM

I passed a peak Trump this morning.

It was quite the logger.

applecorped · 24th October 2018, 11:35 AM

ChrisBFRPKY · 29th October 2018, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

Hopefully after. Trump isn't done wreaking conservatives' reputations yet. A second term will make the downturn worse, and make it harder for Republicans to pin it on Democrats (they will still try of course...).

What "downturn"? The one you hope is coming or what?

The Great Zaganza · 29th October 2018, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

What "downturn"? The one you hope is coming or what?

The one all economists say is coming.
Just a normal boom and bust cycle model, as it has applied for decades, would predict a downturn ten years after the last one - which was 2008.
The Fed has to raise interest rates, which is the normal signal that the economy isn't growing organically anymore.

Slings and Arrows · 29th October 2018, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

What "downturn"? The one you hope is coming or what?

"I'm hoping for a crashing economy so we can get rid of Trump. Bring on the recession. Sorry if it hurts people, but rooting for a recession is a prevention measure to losing democracy."

-- Bill Maher (June 9, 2018)

Eddie Dane · 30th October 2018, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY

What "downturn"? The one you hope is coming or what?

This fantastic little film by Ray Dalio explains the boom-bust cycle (or credit cycle if you will),

Its 30 minutes, but it's worth the time.

How the economic machine works

applecorped · 13th November 2018, 12:10 PM

WilliamSeger · 17th November 2018, 08:52 AM

As of November 6, we have passed peak Trumpism, at least: 54 of the 75 GOP candidates that Trump endorsed lost, and losing the House means the MAGA legislative agenda is dead. Anyone still imagining that Trump can win in 2020 and the GOP can hold the Senate must also be imagining some unexpected change in the current vector. You can hope for that, but two things should be clear by now: Trump just can't stop Trumping, and his base is as large as it will ever be.

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6th October 2018, 03:37 PM	#362
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7th October 2018, 04:30 AM	#364
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Well in the current Cavanaugh thread someone just predicted we just now passed Peak Trump, I'm sure this time it'll be correct.
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8th October 2018, 10:45 AM	#365
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8th October 2018, 04:38 PM	#366
Roger Ramjets Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,879	Originally Posted by applecorped Well in the current Cavanaugh thread someone just predicted we just now passed Peak Trump, I'm sure this time it'll be correct. No, not yet. Not even near the peak
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6th October 2018, 06:31 PM	#363
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,888	Originally Posted by AnonyMoose Three years have passed and Rah Rah Trump™ is still going strong. I'm starting to think it's not Trump that's the problem afterall... cough Ignorance can be fixed; stupidity is incurable.

13th October 2018, 06:03 AM	#367
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13th October 2018, 08:58 PM	#368
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 19,053	Originally Posted by Brainster Trump is a classic "never going to happen" candidate, albeit with a little more name recognition than Herman Cain, who was leading in the polls at a similar point in 2011. Fiorina is another. In case I ever get a swelled head about my predictions in politics, please feel free to bring this up.
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13th October 2018, 09:07 PM	#369
Meadmaker Guest Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 29,033	Originally Posted by AnonyMoose Three years have passed and Rah Rah Trump™ is still going strong. I'm starting to think it's not Trump that's the problem afterall... cough I agree with Barack Obama, who said recently that Trump was not a cause of the problem, but a symptom. Until the cause is removed, the symptom will persist.
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15th October 2018, 12:47 PM	#370
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Any year now.
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15th October 2018, 08:28 PM	#371
Slings and Arrows Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: USA Posts: 1,743	Originally Posted by applecorped Any year now. Six years from now.

16th October 2018, 08:45 AM	#372
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,278	We have passed peak Trump. But unfortunately, the required peak for re-election might be very small if the Democratic vote gets spoiled by a 3rd party candidate.
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17th October 2018, 06:19 AM	#373
Eddie Dane Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,681	I didn't read the whole thread, but here is what I think will kill the Trump phenomenon: The Fed raising interest rates. This will set off the next bear market and will start a stock market decline that might be more severe than 2008. Trump has publicly claimed again and again that the current economic climate is his doing and he has tied his reputation to it. If this decline happens before the next election, we'll be rid of Trump. If the stock market success carries beyond that date, I have some bad news for you; a second term. Of course, he could get the US into a war, but I've been happily surprised that he seems to stick to his isolationist leanings. But my bet is that the economy will do him in.
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17th October 2018, 06:22 AM	#374
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,278	Trump supporters will always praise him for a good economy and blame Democrats for a bad one.
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17th October 2018, 06:23 AM	#375
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13,506	nitpick: "bear" not "bull".

17th October 2018, 06:25 AM	#376
Eddie Dane Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,681	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy nitpick: "bear" not "bull". oops. Thanks, I'll correct that.
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17th October 2018, 06:27 AM	#377
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 40,500	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Trump supporters will always praise him for a good economy and blame Democrats for a bad one. Which is stupid. The "Economy" is a mixture of countless factors many going back decades very few of which the President has some sort of 1:1 direct control over and near none he has some sort of ability to make quick chance with. At best a President can make changes that might improve/lower the chances of the economy improving or declining at some in the mid to far future. The President does not sit with a real time Economy Up/Down dial on his desk.
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17th October 2018, 06:29 AM	#378
Eddie Dane Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,681	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Trump supporters will always praise him for a good economy and blame Democrats for a bad one. He'll blame the Fed. A large portion of right-wing nuts thinks the Fed is a conspiracy anyway (something, something Rothschilds). But the number of people who bought gold via Alex Jones' website is not big enough to save Trump when the market takes a 40% nosedive.
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17th October 2018, 06:33 AM	#379
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,278	The Fed is a Ponzi Scheme - and Trump is upset that he doesn't get his cut.
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17th October 2018, 02:29 PM	#380
Slings and Arrows Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: USA Posts: 1,743	Originally Posted by Eddie Dane Trump has publicly claimed again and again that the current economic climate is his doing and he has tied his reputation to it. If this decline happens before the next election, we'll be rid of Trump. If the stock market success carries beyond that date, I have some bad news for you; a second term. "Bad news?" Stock market success and Trump's re-election is bad news? Only if you are opposed to jobs and prosperity.

18th October 2018, 01:10 AM	#381
Eddie Dane Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,681	Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows "Bad news?" Stock market success and Trump's re-election is bad news? Only if you are opposed to jobs and prosperity. 'Bad news' for the majority of the people on this forum. I'd love a perpetually strong economy and lots of jobs. But the reality is that we live in a world with a boom-bust cycle with a roughly 10-year interval. The question is if the next bust starts before or after the next election.
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18th October 2018, 01:11 AM	#382
Eddie Dane Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,681	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza The Fed is a Ponzi Scheme - and Trump is upset that he doesn't get his cut. Anyone who wants a cut from the Fed can buy shares in JP Morgan-Chase. They are the biggest stockholder in the Fed and receive a dividend.
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19th October 2018, 11:28 AM	#383
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19th October 2018, 11:36 AM	#384
phiwum Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 13,087	Originally Posted by applecorped Tick tock Ha ha! Ha ha. Honestly, time well spent! Totally made a salient point there. Those who think that Trump is a stain on the presidency will rethink their position now, I tell you what. You are indeed a master debater, give or take a syllable.

19th October 2018, 11:43 AM	#385
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by phiwum Ha ha! Ha ha. Honestly, time well spent! Totally made a salient point there. Those who think that Trump is a stain on the presidency will rethink their position now, I tell you what. You are indeed a master debater, give or take a syllable. Don't take away a syllable. His posts are irreducibly complex.
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19th October 2018, 11:58 AM	#386
Imhotep Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 1,025	Originally Posted by phiwum Ha ha! Ha ha. Honestly, time well spent! Totally made a salient point there. Those who think that Trump is a stain on the presidency will rethink their position now, I tell you what. You are indeed a master debater, give or take a syllable. Or... he trolled you with a two word post.

19th October 2018, 12:05 PM	#387
phiwum Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 13,087	Originally Posted by Imhotep Or... he trolled you with a two word post. Could be. Or it could be that I recognized his usual trolling tactic and, having grown tired of it, thought that a response pointing out his shallow strategy was worth it. I mean, you could go either way. You might think he won. You might think that I had good reason to bitch about his tedious idiocy and chose to do so.

19th October 2018, 12:11 PM	#388
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19th October 2018, 12:21 PM	#389
Imhotep Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 1,025	Originally Posted by phiwum Could be. Or it could be that I recognized his usual trolling tactic and, having grown tired of it, thought that a response pointing out his shallow strategy was worth it. I mean, you could go either way. You might think he won. You might think that I had good reason to bitch about his tedious idiocy and chose to do so. I don't think those are mutually exclusive, and I gladly accept your explanation for why you felt the need to respond.

19th October 2018, 12:27 PM	#390
sir drinks-a-lot Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cole Valley, CA Posts: 5,153	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza We have passed peak Trump. But unfortunately, the required peak for re-election might be very small if the Democratic vote gets spoiled by a 3rd party candidate. Nice job of covering all your bases.
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19th October 2018, 12:29 PM	#391
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,278	Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot Nice job of covering all your bases. thank you!
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19th October 2018, 04:40 PM	#392
Roger Ramjets Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,879	Originally Posted by Eddie Dane the reality is that we live in a world with a boom-bust cycle with a roughly 10-year interval. The question is if the next bust starts before or after the next election. Hopefully after. Trump isn't done wreaking conservatives' reputations yet. A second term will make the downturn worse, and make it harder for Republicans to pin it on Democrats (they will still try of course...).
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19th October 2018, 09:05 PM	#393
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24th October 2018, 11:35 AM	#394
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29th October 2018, 06:09 PM	#395
ChrisBFRPKY Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,886	Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets Hopefully after. Trump isn't done wreaking conservatives' reputations yet. A second term will make the downturn worse, and make it harder for Republicans to pin it on Democrats (they will still try of course...). What "downturn"? The one you hope is coming or what?
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