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“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116. “The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator |
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Deca's done a good job so far along with Patzold, Skorov, A'Hearn, Fulle, Taylor, Altwegg, Goetz
are some of the great people trying to jam brand new data into a dead model and run into problem after problem, though thier understanding also appears to be evolving. Now if comets were just ROCK (the meteoric matrix of yours) and they lost mass via grains of rock becoming charged enough to be released of dust therefore reducing the mass of the comet and circularizing its orbit...and viola an ASTEROID/METEORITE. The active asteroids are only new to the family.
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yeah based on the The Refractory-to-Ice Mass Ratio in Comets Which found Therefore, comets and KBOs may have less water than CI-chondrites chondrites afaik there stony rock not rocky-like! the last sentence means, get your nose out of someone else's business! |
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No, Fulle did not say that. He said 'may'. And he is only talking about 67P. We have no idea what may be the make-up of Oort cloud comets. And none of this has anything to do with your failed woo, and the total lack of rock and discharges. Ever going to deal with that, instead of inflicting your scientific ignorance of all things cometary upon us?
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I don't need to take the full 3 year course to know more than you about it. That took about 3 minutes. And I do not need to derive the equation for the Debye length, merely know how to apply it. And I do not need a degree to know that double layers are nothing like ambipolar fields. Or that solar radial electric fields are not happening, and that anodes cannot simultaneously attract and repel electrons, etc, etc. When your cult has someone of a similar level of understanding, let us know.
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![]() You don't even know what model you are 'spose to be using anymore!
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Well, they are NOT dirtysnowballs are they then, champ! You do not need to be an expert in a narrow discipline like tusenfem. You need common sense and be open to new ideas thereby discovering a completely new mechanism that could explain previously unexplained observations.
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Sol88 shows how deep his decades of insanity is yet again.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma. Most of the recent insanity from Sol88 This post: An insanely lying question when the reasons that DL's are physically impossible at comets have been stated many times. Next post: Persists in his insane lie that there are mainstream papers stating comets are his demented dogma of comets are actual rock, etc. Persists in his insanity about a mainstream ice and dust The Refractory-to-Ice Mass Ratio in Comets paper. Next post: Usual insane lies about posts and posters. tusenfem wrote Every double layer is an electric field, not every electric field is a double layer. This is the basic physics that Sol88 is so totally deluded about. If there is a layer of positive charges and a layer of negative charges there is an electric field between them. But the layers have to exist ![]() Next post: Usual insane lies about science and scientists. Sol88 and his demented cult are the only people in the world insane enough to thick that comes are rocks blasted from planets, etc.. The rest of the world know the physical evidence that comets are made of ices and dust. Next post: An insane delusion that an electric field does not accelerate opposite charges in opposite directions (this is high school level physics!). His persistent delusion that he knows about science, dusty plasma in this case. All he has is the insiatiy of writing words such as "electric field, "dusty plasma", etc. and making up delusions about them. Next post: Usual insane citing of mainstream ices and dust comet papers and demented questions. The quote says that the consolidated ices and dust landslides on 67P have a coefficient that is comparable to the coefficient in Earth dry landslides. The implies a "mechanically rocky-type behaviour for the cometary material". IOW the grains of ice and dust on 67P may act similarly to stones on earth in a landslide. Next post: Usual insults of posters when it is documented that Sol88 is a misinformed, indoctrinated, member of a demented cult. Next post: An insane rant about math! Next post: The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn and all astronomers by Sol88 linking them with Sol88's demented dogma, etc. Next post: Usual insane citing of mainstream ices and dust comet papers and demented lied about them. Next post: Makes himself into an insane liar yet again with an image of a solid rock (meteorite). His demented cult wants comets to be solid rock. So;88 calls his demented cult liars by insisting the measure to be highly porous ice and dust on comets is "rock". The insiatiy of this lie is that this is a meteorite - the remains of an asteroid after all the dust and stones burned up in the atmosphere. Next post: Makes himself into an insane liar yet again when he quoted before that it is CI-chondrites in asteroids that may have less water than comets, not the remains of asteroids in his meteorite image. Next post: Usual insane lies about posts and posters and science. And himself ![]() Next post: Usual insane lies about posts and posters and science. Next post: Usual insane lies about posts and posters and science. He replied to the fact that he wrote "An insanely lying question when the reasons that DL's are physically impossible at comets have been stated many times" above. Next post: An insane rant about "photo-ionization of sublimed ice". The physical fact that he does not deny (thus the insanity of his rant)( is that comets have ice. The physical fact is that ice must sublimate when it is heated as a comet gets near to the Sun. That will produce neutral gas, The physical fact is that photoionization of neutral gas exists! The real world fact is that this is modern, textbook physics that anyone can look up ![]() |
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Read very carefully reality check, very carefully,
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All of a sudden, photo-ionization of sublimed ice seems a little 19th century "gas light' era physics!
Too slow a process to do the majic you ask of it! |
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Yes please, include me in the email chain.
![]() You do know we have an indoctrinated expert on plasma double layers right here? and as he like to say "Every double layer is an electric field but not every electric field is a double layer". True! Reminds me of his last argument "Plasma is like a gas but gas is not a plasma" ![]() The riddle'r himself! |
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So, here is a recent-ish paper, summarising what we know about the properties of cometary nuclei;
The Thermal, Mechanical, Structural, and Dielectric Properties of Cometary Nuclei After Rosetta Groussin, O. et al. (2019) https://link.springer.com/article/10...214-019-0594-x Let's have a quick summary of what they are saying; Thermal inertia: Below 350 J K−1 m−2 s−1/2. Bulk value ~ 0 - 60 K−1 m−2 s−1/2. Not at all like rock; https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...tbl1_309080416 Thermal Conductivity: 0–0.009 W m−1 K−1. Not at all like rock; https://www.britannica.com/science/r...mal-properties Tensile and Compressive Strength: Nothing like rock. As they say;
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Again, even taking the very highest possible value, nothing like rock. Bulk Density: Surprise, surprise - nothing like rock. Dielectric Properties: Well, who would have thought? Not very rock-like. And the fact that CONSERT radio waves penetrated the small lobe also shows that it is not rock. Which we already knew. So, I think we can safely conclude that there is zero rock at comets. Now, onto the discharge and EDM (lol) woo. Let's have a look at the mag data...........zilch. So, that is the electric comet 'model' falsified. Not difficult, was it? |
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Not done with rock yet.
the friction coefficient for 67P? |
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An insane insult of tusenfem as an "an indoctrinated expert" when he is an educated expert.
It is high school science physics that opposite charges are accelerated in opposity directions in an electric field. It just takes good reading comprehension to see how insane Sol88 is about DLs. Double layer. Note the "For. mation mechanisms" and "Features and characteristics" sections. Read the lack of the word comet ![]() Do a literature research for comets and double layers and see the almost complete lack of papers ![]() Ask an expert such as tusenfem, and he states what in hindsight is obvious. Comet coma are a magnetically turbulent plasma where DL's are impossible. |
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