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Old 3rd November 2021, 11:37 AM   #1
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- VA Elects GOP Governor -

In refreshing news, VA has elected it's first GOP Governor since the 2009 election. Glenn Youngkin defeated Terry McAuliffe, who had previously served as Governor from 2014-2018. McAuliffe was joined on the campaign trail by none other than Obama....but still fell short.

How did this happen? A year ago Virginians voted Biden in, by a wide margin. What exactly is going on? Is this a harbinger of things to come in 2022, or even 2024?

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Old 3rd November 2021, 11:43 AM   #2
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I'm confused. Why trust that this election wasn't rigged?
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
In refreshing news, VA has elected it's first GOP Governor in 8 years. Glenn Youngkin defeated Terry McAuliffe, who had previously served as Governor from 2014-2018. McAuliffe was joined on the campaign trail by none other than Obama....but still fell short.

How did this happen? A year ago Virginians voted Biden in, by a wide margin. What exactly is going on? Is this a harbinger of things to come in 2022, or even 2024?
People learned to stop worrying about the COVID hoax and focus on what really matters: CRT.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
. What exactly is going on? Is this a harbinger of things to come in 2022, or even 2024?
No. It shows that if say, "I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach" you'll loose an election. This is particularly true if you defend that statement by claiming its just racist dog whistling to ask the question in the first place. Although, if Dems keep doubling down on the least popular aspects of there ideas and this:

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People learned to stop worrying about the COVID hoax and focus on what really matters: CRT.
https://clarion.causeaction.com/2021...on-night-loss/

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Old 3rd November 2021, 11:52 AM   #5
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No. It shows that if say, "I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach" you'll loose an election. This is particularly true if you defend that statement by claiming its just racist dog whistling to ask the question in the first place. Although, if Dems keep doubling down on the least popular aspects of there ideas and this:



https://clarion.causeaction.com/2021...on-night-loss/
What is shows is that the Democrats are largely reactive, politically speaking, and are too readily ceding the political initiative to the right. They have no strong ideas or popular policies of their own to trumpet, so they spend their time constantly on defense dealing with the right's new moral outrage of the day.

I'm sure the loss of a Clintonista and milquetoast dem to a right wing freak will be used as more evidence by the party that they are simply too progressive and they need to triangulate and moderate even more aggressively.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'm confused. Why trust that this election wasn't rigged?
Because a Republican won. If the Democrat won, it was rigged for sure.
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I lived in Virginia for decades. The state goes back and forth between D and R governors. Has for a long time, will continue for a long time. This should not be surprising to anyone.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I lived in Virginia for decades. The state goes back and forth between D and R governors. Has for a long time, will continue for a long time. This should not be surprising to anyone.
Yeah but everything is either a red herring or a canary in the coal mind in politics.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I lived in Virginia for decades. The state goes back and forth between D and R governors. Has for a long time, will continue for a long time. This should not be surprising to anyone.
And always the opposing party of the President in office.
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Yeah Virginia, Florida, a few others tend to be these weird "counter-balance" states as often as not.
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Old 3rd November 2021, 12:09 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah but everything is either a red herring or a canary in the coal mind in politics.
Right or wrong, both the Democratic and Republicans are likely to treat it this way. Expect to see more right wingers trying to emulate the winning campaign. Youngkin was notable for leaning hard on Trump style politics without invoking or associating with him directly. Trump may have some baggage, but Trumpism seems here to stay.

I have no idea how the Democrats are going to process this loss, but it's safe to say they'll claim progressive politics are to blame to some extent.

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Worth noting VA Dems repealed voter ID, enacted automatic voter reg, no-excuse mail-in voting, extended the ballot receipt deadline past election day, used executive action to get around lifetime ban for ppl with felonies. Turnout increased from 2017 and GOP won (1/2)
All that cheating and they still couldn't win.
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Old 3rd November 2021, 01:40 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
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Worth noting VA Dems repealed voter ID, enacted automatic voter reg, no-excuse mail-in voting, extended the ballot receipt deadline past election day, used executive action to get around lifetime ban for ppl with felonies. Turnout increased from 2017 and GOP won (1/2)
All that cheating and they still couldn't win.
I wouldn’t call it cheating, lol, but they certainly wouldn't be lobbying for any of that if they thought it would give Republican candidates an edge. I guess it didn't have the consequences they were hoping for, this time. Maybe better luck next time out.

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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I lived in Virginia for decades. The state goes back and forth between D and R governors. Has for a long time, will continue for a long time. This should not be surprising to anyone.
Agreed,
If it's any comfort to people, one reason the GOP candidate won is that he distinced himself from Trump as much as he could without alienating the Trump voters.
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I wouldn’t call it cheating, lol, but they certainly wouldn't be lobbying for any of that if they thought it would give Republican candidates an edge. I guess it didn't have the consequences they were hoping for, this time. Maybe better luck next time out.
Nonsense. They do all those things to further the democratic process so that the majority of the populace can determine what happens in governance.

The GOP, however, does the opposite because they want white-minority rule.
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
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All that cheating and they still couldn't win.
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I wouldn’t call it cheating, lol, but they certainly wouldn't be lobbying for any of that if they thought it would give Republican candidates an edge. I guess it didn't have the consequences they were hoping for, this time. Maybe better luck next time out.
You've been Cained. We know of no cheating.

Just like we know of no cheating in 2020.
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You've been Cained. We know of no cheating.

Just like we know of no cheating in 2020.
Incorrect. The statement was obviously made in jest, which is why I "lol'd" it. It isn't "cheating", but it isn't based upon Dems being virtuous, either.

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Nonsense. They do all those things to further the democratic process so that the majority of the populace can determine what happens in governance.
LOL, ok.
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No. It shows that if say, "I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach" you'll loose an election. This is particularly true if you defend that statement by claiming its just racist dog whistling to ask the question in the first place. Although, if Dems keep doubling down on the least popular aspects of there ideas and this:
......
The background is that in 2013 a Repub activist claimed to be outraged that Toni Morrison's Pulitzer Prize-winning "Beloved" was required reading in her 18-year-old son's AP literature class. The Repub legislature passed two bills that would have allowed parents to disapprove the books their kids could be assigned, and as governor McAuliffe vetoed them. That same mother made indignant campaign ads for Youngkin about how terribly hurt her "child" had been. The Repubs made it sound like pornography was being promoted in kindergarten. It all ties together with Youngkin's promise to remove Critical Race Theory from the schools, where nothing like it has never been taught in the first place.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/26/polit...kin/index.html
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mom-w...b010d933149661

McAuliffe probably should have signed the bills and picked a different battle, but he said they were too broad and intrusive on the schools. In the debate, I wish he had expressed the same idea with something like "I won't allow parents with an agenda to rip books out of our school libraries." But it really is racial dogwhistling, part of the culture wars that encourage right-wing whites to believe that they are about be run over by evil black and brown hordes.

Don't forget that Virginia, capital of the Confederacy, promoted "massive resistance" to Brown v. Board and tried to close all its public schools rather than integrate. Despite urban and urbane Northern Virginia, there are deep wells of undisguised racism in the state.

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I saw a thumbnail from the Fox News YouTube channel claiming that Democrats are having a meltdown over the election. Is anyone here having a meltdown? Anyone?
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This electoral result will cost lives. Expect Covid Delta variant to surge in VA from about six months as Youngkin's anti-vax/anti-mask politics kick in.
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I saw a thumbnail from the Fox News YouTube channel claiming that Democrats are having a meltdown over the election. Is anyone here having a meltdown? Anyone?
*crickets*
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This electoral result will cost lives. Expect Covid Delta variant to surge in VA from about six months as Youngkin's anti-vax/anti-mask politics kick in.
Which will actually be a good thing, because it will be only the COVIDiots, i.e. Youngkin's peeps, who will be largely affected and eventually killed off.
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In refreshing news, VA has elected it's first GOP Governor since the 2009 election. Glenn Youngkin defeated Terry McAuliffe, who had previously served as Governor from 2014-2018. McAuliffe was joined on the campaign trail by none other than Obama....but still fell short.

How did this happen? A year ago Virginians voted Biden in, by a wide margin. What exactly is going on? Is this a harbinger of things to come in 2022, or even 2024?
Aww! It wants an iddy biddy fite! What cute widdle diddums!
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Which will actually be a good thing, because it will be only the COVIDiots, i.e. Youngkin's peeps, who will be largely affected and eventually killed off.
Hard to imagine a more idiotic position. More than half of the relevant vote went to him. I guess they are all stupid "anti-vaxxers". Like, you think Youngkin ran on a platform that discouraged vaccines? LMFAO.

Educate yourself. He ran on a platform that encouraged vaccines, while also not endorsing mandates.

Virginia is not in any trouble, here.

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Hard to imagine a more idiotic position. More than half of the relevant vote went to him. I guess they are all stupid "anti-vaxxers". Like, you think Youngkin ran on a platform that discouraged vaccines? LMFAO.

Educate yourself. He ran on a platform that encouraged vaccines, while also not endorsing mandates.

Virginia is not in any trouble, here.
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I saw a thumbnail from the Fox News YouTube channel claiming that Democrats are having a meltdown over the election. Is anyone here having a meltdown? Anyone?
Some Democrats are crying about Fox News' "misinformation"; others are talking about changing their messaging and "optics." What a bunch of wimps. A real man would declare overwhelming victory, massive electoral fraud, and mobilize their very fine supporters to march on the state capitol. Patriotic nooses and Confederate flags are optional (but bring them anyway).
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I'm confused. Why trust that this election wasn't rigged?
Need a forensic audit.
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Next Virginia will be teaching the Dinosaurs missed the Ark because they forgot to reset their sundials to Daylight Savings Time.
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Hard to imagine a more idiotic position. More than half of the relevant vote went to him. I guess they are all stupid "anti-vaxxers".
.....
One is not the other. The people who voted for Youngkin were certainly not all anti-vaxxers. But you can be sure that all the anti-vaxxers voted for Youngkin.
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One is not the other. The people who voted for Youngkin were certainly not all anti-vaxxers. But you can be sure that all the anti-vaxxers voted for Youngkin.
You might think so.
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One is not the other. The people who voted for Youngkin were certainly not all anti-vaxxers. But you can be sure that all the anti-vaxxers voted for Youngkin.
This, absolutely!

Pre-covid, antivaxxers were a tiny minority of mostly liberal suburbanites. They were of the same mindset as tree-hugging vegans who put their trust in homeopathy quacks and woo-woo remedies like grape seed extract.

Post-Covid
, the GQP has embraced anti-vaxx into the mainstream under a heading of "Muh freedumbs" The VAST majority of people who are opposed to Covid vaccines Right wingers, Repugnicans and Trump supporters/sycophants
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I'm confused. Why trust that this election wasn't rigged?
Because the Democrats failed to get out the Black vote.
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But it really is racial dogwhistling, part of the culture wars that encourage right-wing whites to believe that they are about be run over by evil black and brown hordes.
Must be why Republicans also elected a black lieutenant governor.

Wait... what? I think the narrative is broken.
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It all ties together with Youngkin's promise to remove Critical Race Theory from the schools, where nothing like it has never been taught in the first place.
This is a bit of a misdirection. The students may not have been taught CRT. But the Department of Education in Virginia did try to incorporate CRT into teacher training, and the entire point of doing so is to affect what and how teachers teach students.
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McAuliffe’s loss is a victory for all Americans. Why? Because it was a resounding rejection of efforts to divide us by race, the stripping of parental rights, and arrogant, deaf leaders. This benefits us all.
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Which will actually be a good thing, because it will be only the COVIDiots, i.e. Youngkin's peeps, who will be largely affected and eventually killed off.
The virus will have a better chance of mutation because of these people so it could affect more than just the Trump/Covidiots. Also, those fools are clogging up the medical system and hospitals.
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Must be why Republicans also elected a black lieutenant governor.

Wait... what? I think the narrative is broken.
Sad, another black face for white supremacy.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Must be why Republicans also elected a black lieutenant governor.

Wait... what? I think the narrative is broken.
How? "I have a black friend" is a pretty common misdirection. While I certainly believe a black person can choose to be a Republican for perfectly valid reasons, it doesn't mean that Republican policies aren't hurting black people in this country in general. Or that Republicans don't tend to lean heavy into race-baiting and fear-mongering.
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I saw a thumbnail from the Fox News YouTube channel claiming that Democrats are having a meltdown over the election. Is anyone here having a meltdown? Anyone?
I haven't seen much. Even the attacks on progressives have been fairly muted. A few news talking heads have tried to bait Democrats into blaming progressives and BBB, but even conservative Democrats like Blumenthal and Coons have dismissed that.

There was one elected Democrat who tried to pin it on Progressives, but when asked if he thought that's all it was, he said now was not the time to assign blame. After he did exactly that.

My amateur, uninformed opinion is that:

1) Democrats need to run on more than "Orange Man Bad", especially when Orange Man doesn't show up until a week before the vote. A lot of Republicans, including in the MAGAverse, lost their #$%^ when he did start showing up, fearing he would drive voters away.

2) Stop running right-wing "centrists" from the Clinton wing of the party who think ideas can be replaced by focused grouped slogans that sound like they came from company HR.

3) Stop letting republicans run the narrative. Youngblood didn't have any ideas about governing, just some race-baiting culture war nonsense and tin foil hat conspiracies. He was poking at the ugliest emotions in human beings to drive them. McAuliffe should have leaned more into why he was so popular to begin with and talk about things like family leave and expanding Medicaid and Medicare. Things that are really popular and directly affect the lives of all voters.
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