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Old 29th January 2017, 01:07 PM   #41
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//Slight Thread Necromancy//

Anyone else read the Ryanverse novels?

In the Tom Clancy books (which get weird in a way the movies never got a chance to) Jack Ryan (the CIA analyst who was the central character of the films Hunt for Red October, Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger, and so forth) eventually rises to the office of Vice President after successfully helping to resolve a war between the United States and Japan (just roll with it.) At the end of Debt of Honor during his confirmation ceremony as Vice President a disgruntled Japanese Airlines pilot (who had lost his son and brother in the war) crashes his 747 into the Capitol Building, killing the President, the vast majority of Congress, most of the Cabinet, the Justices of the Supreme Court, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Head of the Federal Reserve, and many others leaving Ryan as the President in charge of a skeleton crew of what's left of the Federal Government.

I re-read the follow up novel Executive Decisions recently and was struck by how Trump like a lot of the politics in the novel was.

- Due to the lack of a functioning government structure Jack Ryan is forced to performance most actions via Executive Decisions instead of legislation.
- Jack Ryan specifically brings in people not from the government, pulling people in from the private sector to fill positions due to a distrust boarding on hatred of the established political climate.
- A big deal is made about him never holding a political position before becoming Vice President (and then immediately President)
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Old 29th January 2017, 06:48 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by JoeBentley View Post
- Due to the lack of a functioning government structure Jack Ryan is forced to performance most actions via Executive Decisions instead of legislation.
- Jack Ryan specifically brings in people not from the government, pulling people in from the private sector to fill positions due to a distrust boarding on hatred of the established political climate.
- A big deal is made about him never holding a political position before becoming Vice President (and then immediately President)
Yes, the book is right-wing porn. But, to be fair, Tom Clancy had the good sense to establish over the previous books that the people running that fictional executive branch were, in the main, hysterical, self-serving incompetents*, one of whom (the President before the one who nominated Ryan to be Vice President) went so far as to order a nuclear strike to destroy a city in Iran based on flimsy [false] evidence (obtained through torture by a protagonist).

As for not having been a politician, Jack Ryan had at least been serving in the government for years (and briefly as a Marine officer before that), becoming a national security expert in the process. As a bonus, he didn't want to be President and the condition he imposed when he accepted the nomination to be VP was that he would never again be called to government service.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, is a hysterical, incompetent narcissist whose only qualification to be President is...yeah, I'm drawing a blank.

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Old 30th January 2017, 06:00 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
That reminds me to order my Chtuluhu for President 2016 T-Shirt. This year the Stars Are Right....
We've entered CASE NIGHTMARE CHEETO.
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Old 30th January 2017, 10:55 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by sts60 View Post
We've entered CASE NIGHTMARE CHEETO.
The Black Chamber is playing a dangerous game here...
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Old 2nd February 2017, 11:40 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
I cannot decide if Trump would grab a boy or a girl to use as a human shield.
girl, by her genitals.
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Old 2nd February 2017, 01:48 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
Donald Trump, on the other hand, is a hysterical, incompetent narcissist whose only qualification to be President is...yeah, I'm drawing a blank.
Allow me to fill in that blank.

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5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
It would be nice to have additional qualifications required. What would you require?
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Old 2nd February 2017, 01:53 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
Allow me to fill in that blank.



It would be nice to have additional qualifications required. What would you require?
A great deal more, which is why I would never have voted for Trump to become President. Just because a lot of morons did doesn't make him qualified...or sane.

And since you know to what I am referring, I object to your disingenuous question.
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Old 10th August 2017, 09:38 PM   #48
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I remember this thread...
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Old 13th July 2019, 08:47 PM   #49
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I'll just drop this here: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/steph...b02a5a5d5b2d7d
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Old 14th July 2019, 10:03 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
King hasn't really been the same since that car accident.

Anyway, huffpo wants me to jump through some hoops to actually read the linked article. What's the summary? Does King say Trump is like Stillson or not like Stillson? Either way, what are the high points of his argument?
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Old 14th July 2019, 12:39 PM   #51
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“I know that American voters have always had a real attraction to outsiders with the same kind of right-wing ‘America First’ policy,” he noted. “And if that reminds people of Trump, I can’t be sorry because it was a character that I wrote. It was a boogeyman of mine and I never wanted to see him actually on the American political scene but we do seem to have a Greg Stillson as president of the United States.”
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Old 14th July 2019, 01:12 PM   #52
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“I know that American voters have always had a real attraction to outsiders with the same kind of right-wing ‘America First’ policy,” he noted. “And if that reminds people of Trump, I can’t be sorry because it was a character that I wrote. It was a boogeyman of mine and I never wanted to see him actually on the American political scene but we do seem to have a Greg Stillson as president of the United States.”
Yeah, King is an idiot.
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Old 14th July 2019, 03:35 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Yeah, King is an idiot.
How so?
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I'm less concerned about Trump and who is going to succeed him, because they are going to be FAR worse.
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Old 14th July 2019, 05:13 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Yeah, King is an idiot.
Quite possibly - he is a Republican, after all.
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Old 14th July 2019, 06:42 PM   #56
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Sounds legit.
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