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Old 2nd December 2016, 05:19 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
It really does sound like a character from Dr Strangelove
You say that like maintaining the purity of one's bodily fluids is a bad thing!
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Old 2nd December 2016, 05:21 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
However, not showing them is not a scandal because she doesn't have to. It's a private matter.
Cannot the same be said for tax returns?

Reminder: I'm on record as saying Trump should have released his, and not releasing them could be a reason not to vote for him.
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Cannot the same be said for tax returns?
Yes, it's exactly the same: it's suspicious if he doesn't provide them, but he's under no obligation to do it.
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Old 2nd December 2016, 06:29 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Yes, it's exactly the same: it's suspicious if he doesn't provide them, but he's under no obligation to do it.
Agreed!
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Old 2nd December 2016, 07:58 AM   #85
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"We are going to appoint 'Mad Dog' Mattis as our secretary of defence. They say he's the closest thing to General George Patton that we have."

The Republican-controlled Congress will need to approve legislation bypassing the requirement so he can take up the role.

But at least one Democratic senator, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, says she will not approve a waiver.

"Civilian control of our military is a fundamental principle of American democracy," Ms Gillibrand said in a statement, "and I will not vote for an exception to this rule."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38178625
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Old 2nd December 2016, 09:06 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
"Civilian control of our military is a fundamental principle of American democracy," Ms Gillibrand said in a statement, "and I will not vote for an exception to this rule."
To be fair, with Trump as Commander in Chief the military would still be under "civilian control", at least in theory.
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He seems taken with the ' Mad Dog' name, I wonder if that's one of the reasons for picking him? He probably thinks the Secretary of Defence should look like this.

His policy being "If it bleeds, we can kill it"



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The Wiki page on him doesn't make him look too bad. What are his skeletons?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
"We are going to appoint 'Mad Dog' Mattis as our secretary of defence. They say he's the closest thing to General George Patton that we have."
Looks like Trump and Mattis will get along just fine...

From: http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/02/tech...rump-theranos/
After retiring in 2013, Mattis became a board director at Theranos, a company founded in 2003... The blood-testing startup was billed as a classic industry disruptor -- offering a cheaper, more efficient alternative to traditional medical tests.
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Holmes (The company founder) reportedly reached out to Mattis in 2012, after a military official flagged Theranos' technology to the FDA. She wanted Mattis to use his authority to dispel any concerns. Mattis forwarded the emails internally, indicating a sense of urgency in moving forward with the technology, but it never took off.
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In the past year, Theranos has voided two years of blood tests, faced federal probes, pivoted away from blood testing -- and Holmes has been banned from owning or operating a lab for two years. Most recently, it's been sued by investors and Walgreens, once its biggest partner.
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
The Wiki page on him doesn't make him look too bad. What are his skeletons?
- Once made a comment around 2005 about it "being fun to shoot people"
- Had charges dismissed against several soldiers accused to shooting unarmed civilians
- Ties to a shady tech company Theranos (may have pushed for its unproven technology to be used while a General, now sits on its board of directors)

http://fortune.com/2016/12/01/donald...y-gen-matthis/
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
The Wiki page on him doesn't make him look too bad. What are his skeletons?
None known. He's considered a squared away professional soldier who cares about the troops in his command.

I have mixed feelings about him exclusively due to the time out of service waiver. The ten years normally required ensures that the chain of command a former service person was part of will have changed enough that the service person will be unlikely to have undue influence on or from uniformed personnel, among other things.

In this case surrounding Trump with adults may outweigh that consideration.
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Originally Posted by Jrrarglblarg View Post
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None known.
Ummm.. hello? Do you have me on ignore?

I've already posted one significant skeleton... his ties to a shady tech company that he championed while a general, and now sits on their board of directors. Some people may consider that suspicious... doubly so when the company in question is being sued.

Then there are also his comments about it being "fun to shoot people". Or his dismissal of charges against soldiers involved in killing unarmed Iraqis.
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Ummm.. hello? Do you have me on ignore?

I've already posted one significant skeleton... his ties to a shady tech company that he championed while a general, and now sits on their board of directors. Some people may consider that suspicious... doubly so when the company in question is being sued.

Then there are also his comments about it being "fun to shoot people". Or his dismissal of charges against soldiers involved in killing unarmed Iraqis.
I haven't looked into the tech company issue but if you want a SECDEF who doesn't think it fun to shoot people don't nominate a United States Marine. The basic military mission of Marines is "Get off the boat, go over there, kill people and break things until we tell you to stop. The sooner you get done the sooner Seabees can get a chow tent and showers set up, so don't **** around."

The job of the Marine Corp is tactical, not strategic. Despite this, Marine leadership is often very savvy about strategic thinking. The Marines are treated like the Navy's red headed stepchild, so they get used to doing more with less and not being as dependent on deep resource chains and help from other branches, while easily getting involved with joint operations because they're already in a joint op with the Navy just standing around. It's a culture, a mindset.

The Army's overall strategic mission, surprisingly, is to end conflict. Seriously. The Army's job is to take land and pacify the occupants. The army runs the guardposts, checkpoints and prisons that keep the peace once the combatants have been taken down. See how that failed in Iraq?

I'll look into his corporate ties.

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Then there are also his comments about it being "fun to shoot people".
Now, now. He only likes shooting people who have lost their manhood.
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I haven't looked into the tech company issue but if you want a SECDEF who doesn't think it fun to shoot people don't nominate a United States Marine. The basic military mission of Marines is "Get off the boat, go over there, kill people and break things until we tell you to stop. The sooner you get done the sooner Seabees can get a chow tent and showers set up, so don't **** around."
Ok, lets assume what you said is complete correct. (I do recognize that Marines fill a different role than other branches of the military, although I don't really know how many really think killing is "fun", and not just a necessary evil.)

In the worst case, they have appointed a secretary of defense who is more interested in breaking things than putting them back together. Given the various conflicts that the U.S. has been in lately, that might not be a good thing (since that type of attitude may cause the U.S. to be involved in new conflicts with little regard to stabilizing things after.)

In the best case (i.e. he turns out to be competent, using force when warranted but not going overboard), its still really bad optics. Trump and the U.S. are going to be under a microscope. (Between Trump's talk of allowing torture and killing families of terrorists, and past history of the U.S. causing upheaval in places like the middle east.) The U.S government will have to work with various countries throughout the world. A secretary of defense who is on record as saying "fun to kill people" sends the wrong message.
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Or maybe it sends the right message, meaning, the message he wants to send. The world and the American people should consider every one of these appointments "fair warning."
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He is draining the swamp right into his cabinet. As expected.
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Carson has got Secretary of Housing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38209969

As a prominent neurosurgeon, what are his qualifications to fill the role ?
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Carson has got Secretary of Housing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38209969

As a prominent neurosurgeon, what are his qualifications to fill the role ?
None. It would be nice if the Orange Menace would have a press conference to explain his picks.
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Carson has got Secretary of Housing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38209969

As a prominent neurosurgeon, what are his qualifications to fill the role ?
"Probably can't **** it up."
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None. It would be nice if the Orange Menace would have a press conference to explain his picks.
Wan't he the one complaining that Hillary didn't do enough press conferences ?
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Carson has got Secretary of Housing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38209969

As a prominent neurosurgeon, what are his qualifications to fill the role ?

This is the post that he said a few weeks ago that he was unqualified for, yes?
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Wan't he the one complaining that Hillary didn't do enough press conferences ?
Yup. He hasn't done one since July 27.
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This is the post that he said a few weeks ago that he was unqualified for, yes?
He was being floated for Health and Human Services at the time but said he was unqualified to be in government.
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All this before Trump takes office.
At this rate even the white supremacists will hate him before long.
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Carson has got Secretary of Housing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38209969

As a prominent neurosurgeon, what are his qualifications to fill the role ?
He's black.
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Donald Trump names Gen James Mattis as defence secretary

Mr Trump has previously described Gen Mattis, 66, as "a true general's general".

Gen Mattis, who is known as "Mad Dog", was an outspoken critic of the Obama administration's Middle East policy, particularly on Iran.

He has referred to Iran as "the single most enduring threat to stability and peace in the Middle East".


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Yea, we are so going to nuke Iran.
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All this before Trump takes office.
"Give him a chance" doesn't seem to be working.
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"We are going to appoint 'Mad Dog' Mattis as our secretary of defence. They say he's the closest thing to General George Patton that we have."

The Republican-controlled Congress will need to approve legislation bypassing the requirement so he can take up the role.

But at least one Democratic senator, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, says she will not approve a waiver.

"Civilian control of our military is a fundamental principle of American democracy," Ms Gillibrand said in a statement, "and I will not vote for an exception to this rule."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38178625
Well he does have a history of leaving people from the wrong service to die.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/military...eft-my-n691211

Just like Patton would have done.
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I'm assuming that this is in response to the appointing of Mattis to Trump's cabinet...

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Or maybe it sends the right message, meaning, the message he wants to send. The world and the American people should consider every one of these appointments "fair warning."
I do think there's a difference between appointing someone who favor's "Tough talk" to someone who's been quoted expressing views more in line with those of a psychopath. (i.e. "fun to shoot people".)
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He got the Chokes.

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He was being floated for Health and Human Services at the time but said he was unqualified to be in government.
So the neurosurgeon doesn't consider himself qualified for Health and Human Services, but he is qualified for Housing and Urban Development? I am genuinely interested in the logic that led him to that conclusion.

That's not meant to be snark, I really would like to know.
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I dunno, but the circus that awaits us in the form of these Confirmation Hearings is going to be epic.

Democrats can't really do anything other than mock and ridicule and embarrass Trump and his appointments, so here's to hoping they do it right.
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So the neurosurgeon doesn't consider himself qualified for Health and Human Services, but he is qualified for Housing and Urban Development? I am genuinely interested in the logic that led him to that conclusion.

That's not meant to be snark, I really would like to know.
The reason is that HHS will be at the vanguard of repealing and replacing Obamacare. That's tricky work and needs somebody in charge who understands Obamacare really well. Trump picked that guy.

HUD, on the other hand, just needs to stop doing what the Obama administration started having it do, which was this. As Argumemnon correctly noted (although probably accidentally), the fact that Carson is black probably made him better suited to the job as it helps to insulate the department from accusations of racism.
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So the neurosurgeon doesn't consider himself qualified for Health and Human Services, but he is qualified for Housing and Urban Development? I am genuinely interested in the logic that led him to that conclusion.

That's not meant to be snark, I really would like to know.
His reasoning was sound for declining.

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"Dr. Carson was never offered a specific position, but everything was open to him," Williams told The Hill. "Dr. Carson feels he has no government experience; he's never run a federal agency. The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency."
Which makes his decision to accept now very confusing. It really shows you how much the Orange Menace cares about African American communities that he's nominating Jeff Sessions for DOJ and Carson for HUD. The idea behind these picks seems to be to hamstring efforts toward reducing racial inequality.

ETA: As Sunmaster points out, nominating someone this profoundly unqualified is tokenism of the highest order. The only purpose seems to be to use Dr. Carson's race a shield since he shouldn't be there at all.

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Nancy Pelosi Calls Ben Carson ‘Disturbingly Unqualified’

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi is calling the decision to tap Ben Carson as head of Housing and Urban Development a “disconcerting and disturbingly unqualified choice.”

Pelosi says the country deserves someone with “relevant experience” to protect the rights of homeowners and renters.

In her statement released Monday, she says “there is no evidence that Dr. Carson brings the necessary credentials to hold a position with such immense responsibilities and impact on families and communities across America.”

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/the-la...y-unqualified/ (December 5, 2016)

Well there it is, proof positive that Nancy Pelosi is a racist -- and probably a KKK member too.

"Disconcerting and disturbing" indeed, that the Democrats have chosen a white-supremacist as their minority leader. Very sad!
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Well there it is, proof positive that Nancy Pelosi is a racist -- and probably a KKK member too.

"Disconcerting and disturbing" indeed, that the Democrats have chosen a white-supremacist as their minority leader. Very sad!
And did Sunmaster just agree with her in this thread?
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He's black.
But has he ever organized any horse shows?
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