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Old 16th July 2019, 12:07 PM   #801
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
If antifa meant anti fascist, everyone would pronounce it, "ANTI-fa".

But they pronounce it "an-TIFA".

Checkmate, goons.
I have read this several times now, still amusing.
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Old 17th July 2019, 05:05 AM   #802
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Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
Right now, the Portland Police chief is calling for anti masking laws:
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/201...rotesters.html
There is another side of that coin: wearing a mask and a uniform provides anonymity and enables people to commit violent crimes with impunity. The police and the public should be held accountable for their actions and we should do what we can to make sure of it
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-masking-laws/

David French wrote about this a bit. Anti-masking laws have a long history, mostly as a tool to prevent masked Klan rallies.

An anti-masking law was upheld by a federal circuit court. The civil libertarian in me is a bit dubious of such laws, as one could have legitimate, non-violent reasons to want to conceal his identity at a protest or other gathering. The pragmatist in me acknowledges that masks allow violent elements to escape justice. I am split on how I feel about such a law.

I'd be more in favor of wearing a mask while committing violent crimes as an aggravating factor to increase sentencing severity. Showing up in a mask (and equipped with clubs and other such equipment) shows a level of premeditation that should be treated more harshly in the eyes of the law.


All of this is besides the point, as the main problem in Portland is that the police are uninterested in enforcing the law. Adding a new law won't do much if the cops simply choose not to enforce it either.
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Old 21st August 2019, 05:45 AM   #803
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Andy Ngo back in the mix with the recent dust-up in Portland. Well, not exactly in the mix, because he wasn't there. But that didn't stop him from trying to spin the narrative.

Ngo tried to portray a right wing extremist getting injured as an example of the excesses of antifa. His key "journalism" on this for the recent protest was around a right winger who was injured by a thrown hammer. Carefully edited video shows antifa throwing the hammer at the man standing in the door of a short bus.

Of course, longer footage of the incident reveals that the hammer was taken from the man himself before being turned against him. Literally beat with his own weapon after attacking the crowd. Womp womp.

Here's footage of the scuffle that shows quite clearly where the hammer came from:
https://twitter.com/BelowStudent/sta...19216489648130

Several other accounts from Ngo have had to be walked back, as his narrative of "antifa attacks peaceful protestors" is shown again and again to not be true. He has a habit of excluding from his reporting inciting incidents in which right-wing agitators engage in violence, preferring to show only the clips of antifa fighting or the aftermath of some right-winger getting his ass beat.

A very thorough breakdown of his MO:

https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/s...95246213779458
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Old 23rd August 2019, 06:53 PM   #804
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A new video has emerged in relation to the May "Cider Riot" incident, which Andy Ngo characterized in tweets as antifa members attacking Patriot Prayer members without provocation.

The new video shows Andy Ngo prior to the violence, standing with Patriot Prayer members and laughing as the group discusses plans to go to the Cider Riot bar and instigate violence.

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After several more discussions about weaponry, wind direction for mace, and being outnumbered, the group calls fellow members to recruit backup. They decide to go ahead with their plan to ambush the patrons at Cider Riot and start a brawl.
The thread also gives an example by quoting a Andy Ngo tweet of a moment during the incident which he says shows a woman "charging in to fight and getting knocked out". A longer video clip has the woman being assaulted by Patriot Prayer members first, and shows that her "charging into fight" was a direct response to having been assaulted. Ngo intentionally edited this clip to remove the context, which he then lied about.
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Old 24th August 2019, 05:16 AM   #805
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Like I said from the beginning. Not a journalist, but an active participant.
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Old 24th August 2019, 09:01 AM   #806
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Where have all of Andy Ngo’s defenders from the first couple pages of this thread gone?
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Old 24th August 2019, 01:35 PM   #807
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
If antifa meant anti fascist, everyone would pronounce it, "ANTI-fa".

But they pronounce it "an-TIFA".

Checkmate, goons.
I thought it was AN-ti-fa and had 3 syllables?
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Old 26th August 2019, 08:50 PM   #808
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Like I said from the beginning. Not a journalist, but an active participant.
Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Where have all of Andy Ngo’s defenders from the first couple pages of this thread gone?
There was a gap of over a month between in this this thread between post #802 and #803 and I admit that I had kinda forgot about it, as well as having been less active on this forum recently.

After reviewing the info in posts #803 and #804, I can see Ngo is not an honest broker.

From the twitter threads I found this:
Right-Wing Star Andy Ngo Exits Quillette After Damning Video Surfaces (The Daily Beast)

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The writer and photog is out of a job after being caught in incriminating undercover footage with right-wing activists. His former employer insists the two events aren’t related.

The conservative op-ed website Quillette announced Monday night that controversial right-wing writer Andy Ngo is leaving his job as an editor at the site, an announcement that comes on the same day that a Portland newspaper published a story revealing that Ngo witnessed a far-right group planning violence but never reported it.

Ngo, a photographer who was until recently a sub-editor at Quillette, became a celebrity on Fox News and other pro-Trump media outlets after he was attacked by left-wing demonstrators at a Portland political rally in June. Ngo then became prominent as an opponent of political violence, with most of his criticism aimed at the left.

But footage taken by an undercover liberal activist in May and described on Monday by the Portland Mercury showed Ngo witnessing activists from the far-right group Patriot Prayer planning a violent confrontation at a bar associated with left-wing activists. Ngo never reported on what he had seen the Patriot Prayer members planning, and some of the people involved in the attack at the bar now face felony riot charges.
Undercover in Patriot Prayer: Insights From a Vancouver Democrat Who's Been Working Against the Far-Right Group from the Inside (Portland Mercury)
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Yuck. Never forgive people like this.
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Old 27th August 2019, 04:35 AM   #810
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
After reviewing the info in posts #803 and #804, I can see Ngo is not an honest broker.
His bad faith tactics don't just apply to antifa street coverage. Ngo is also the "reporter" that penned the awful WSJ opinion piece about how Muslims were instating sharia law in London. His key piece of evidence was that, near a large mosque, was a sign prohibiting public drinking. Rather than interpret this as normal regulation of nuisance behavior that regularly occurs in cities, including many cities in his home country of the USA, he interpreted this as creeping sharia and evidence of Muslim cultural invasion.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-visit...and-1535581583

Local brits were bemused by such news of the dismal state of their city. Here's a response article pointing out how absurd Ngo's narrative is:

https://www.businessinsider.com/wall...england-2018-8

The map is very instructive. Within the same small area as this sharia dominated hellscape are two pubs and a strip club.

Ngo is a hack. He's always been a bad faith manipulator, and a sloppy one at that. Every news agency that publishes his work discredits themselves by doing so.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Ngo is a hack. He's always been a bad faith manipulator, and a sloppy one at that.
So he's like most reporters, then.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
So he's like most reporters, then.
Can you find a lot of other reporters, sans Jacob Wohl, that have done this same behavior?
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Can you find a lot of other reporters, sans Jacob Wohl, that have done this same behavior?
Can I find a lot of other reporters who are hacks and sloppy bad-faith manipulators? Yes. Yes I can.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Can I find a lot of other reporters who are hacks and sloppy bad-faith manipulators? Yes. Yes I can.
Unsurprisingly disingenuous. Thank you, that's all I needed.
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His bad faith tactics don't just apply to antifa street coverage. Ngo is also the "reporter" that penned the awful WSJ opinion piece about how Muslims were instating sharia law in London. His key piece of evidence was that, near a large mosque, was a sign prohibiting public drinking. Rather than interpret this as normal regulation of nuisance behavior that regularly occurs in cities, including many cities in his home country of the USA, he interpreted this as creeping sharia and evidence of Muslim cultural invasion.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-visit...and-1535581583

Local brits were bemused by such news of the dismal state of their city. Here's a response article pointing out how absurd Ngo's narrative is:

https://www.businessinsider.com/wall...england-2018-8

The map is very instructive. Within the same small area as this sharia dominated hellscape are two pubs and a strip club.

Ngo is a hack. He's always been a bad faith manipulator, and a sloppy one at that. Every news agency that publishes his work discredits themselves by doing so.
I'm not familiar with Ngo, but you'd be dead wrong if you dismissed reports of self-appointed muslim "wardens" enforcing Sharia in areas comprising several city blocks in parts of North London. There's no shortage of camera phone footage of groups of them intimidating people who are holding a beer or "uncovered" women. They behave as if they have nothing to fear in terms of challenges by legitimate law enforcement, and that's for good reason - they don't.
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I'm not familiar with Ngo, but you'd be dead wrong if you dismissed reports of self-appointed muslim "wardens" enforcing Sharia in areas comprising several city blocks in parts of North London. There's no shortage of camera phone footage of groups of them intimidating people who are holding a beer or "uncovered" women. They behave as if they have nothing to fear in terms of challenges by legitimate law enforcement, and that's for good reason - they don't.
Today's winner of the spouting completely absurd conspiracy theories award goes to....IsThisTheLife!!!

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Unsurprisingly disingenuous. Thank you, that's all I needed.
What's disingenuous? That's the part I quoted, that's the part I was responding to. If you were confused by that, perhaps you need to reconsider your approach to reading comprehension.
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Today's winner of the spouting completely absurd conspiracy theories award goes to....IsThisTheLife!!!

For your diligent work in not providing any sources and spouting off anything you find that fits your confirmation bias, I hope you enjoy this reward. It comes packaged with 200 internet points, and thank you for showing up!
You have a point about wanting sources for his claim, but your own claim that he's engaging in conspiracy theories is just an argument from incredulity. And it's going to make you look foolish if he can actually back up his claim.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
What's disingenuous? That's the part I quoted, that's the part I was responding to. If you were confused by that, perhaps you need to reconsider your approach to reading comprehension.
The part where you're playing semantic games like pretending I wasn't talking about showing a reporter who knowingly engaged with a crowd, lied about it, edited video to make it look like something it wasn't, etc.

I'll work on my reading comprehension at the exact same time you work on following the flow of a conversation. I'm sure you have some ridiculously nonsensical, semantic argument to follow though. It's kind of your style.
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You have a point about wanting sources for his claim, but your own claim that he's engaging in conspiracy theories is just an argument from incredulity. And it's going to make you look foolish if he can actually back up his claim.
Lol ******* bring it. For real. Show me evidence of Muslim's in London making a mainstream push of implementing Sharia Law throughout the city. I'll eat all the crow you want.
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Lol ******* bring it. For real. Show me evidence of Muslim's in London making a mainstream push of implementing Sharia Law throughout the city. I'll eat all the crow you want.
It wasn't my claim, why should I "bring it"?
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And it's going to make you look foolish if he can actually back up his claim.
Yeah. No. Go look at the guy's antics on the History subforum.

plague311 is pretty safe here.
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Yuck. Never forgive people like this.
Don't worry he will be back, they just keep going round and round, like James O'Keefe
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
It wasn't my claim, why should I "bring it"?
Anyone may bring it, whatever they feel "it" is that would prove me wrong. As kookbreaker stated, as someone who is familiar with his history, as I feel I am, I have no doubts that my statement will stand true.
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Where have all of Andy Ngo’s defenders from the first couple pages of this thread gone?
Gone for good.

Ngo was always a bad actor, the end.
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Where have all of Andy Ngo’s defenders from the first couple pages of this thread gone?
I was wrong. It is obvious that has double standards between antifa and patriot prayer violence and is dishonest.
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Have a feeling this guy won't be out of a job for long. Lots of vile extreme right wing outlets out there. Odds on the guy joining Red Ice TV or some other pseudo-Nazi crew are pretty good.
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You have a point about wanting sources for his claim, but your own claim that he's engaging in conspiracy theories is just an argument from incredulity. And it's going to make you look foolish if he can actually back up his claim.
S/he's made a claim, a ridiculous one, and one that has been debunked.
Like you s/he's refused to provide any support evidence for his claims.
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Lol ******* bring it. For real. Show me evidence of Muslim's in London making a mainstream push of implementing Sharia Law throughout the city. I'll eat all the crow you want.
It's an article of faith amongst the rightists; from Trump to UKIP supporters.

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It wasn't my claim, why should I "bring it"?
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Have a feeling this guy won't be out of a job for long. Lots of vile extreme right wing outlets out there. Odds on the guy joining Red Ice TV or some other pseudo-Nazi crew are pretty good.
Hopefully his days occasionally popping up as a "respectable journalist" are over. Might see him working at some explicitly hard-right or nationalist rag, but hopefully we won't be seeing him on anything but fringe publications. Even trash publications like Quillette want to keep a thin veneer of respectability.
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Old 28th August 2019, 05:34 AM   #831
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But have we figured out where Andy's British accent came from?
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Old 28th August 2019, 07:17 AM   #832
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But have we figured out where Andy's British accent came from?

Does it actually sound British though? Or is it just more of that "mid-Atlantic" accent affected by so many public speakers?
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Old 28th August 2019, 08:17 AM   #833
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Hopefully his days occasionally popping up as a "respectable journalist" are over. Might see him working at some explicitly hard-right or nationalist rag, but hopefully we won't be seeing him on anything but fringe publications. Even trash publications like Quillette want to keep a thin veneer of respectability.
What makes Quillette trash? I probably haven't read enough from there, but I have read some articles
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Old 28th August 2019, 08:19 AM   #834
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Originally Posted by pharphis View Post
What makes Quillette trash? I probably haven't read enough from there, but I have read some articles
Posted this before:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quillette

They push debunked and highly racist ideas regarding human biodiversity, among other things. But I was then informed by Brainster that that was conservative, so I dunno.
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Old 30th August 2019, 04:43 AM   #835
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"Quillette editor-in-chief Claire Lehmann insisted in emails to The Daily Beast that Ngo’s exit had nothing to do with the Portland Mercury story or the undercover footage that began to circulate on Twitter last week, saying instead that Ngo left the site weeks earlier but that the move was only made public on Monday.

“Andy actually moved on from Quillette a few weeks ago because he is undertaking bigger & better projects, we just hadn't updated the website and he hadn't updated his Twitter bio until today,” Lehmann wrote.

Lehmann said Ngo had taken “a break” weeks earlier from her website because of a “brain injury” he received while being attacked at the June rally. A fundraiser for Ngo after the attack raised nearly $195,000."

So nothing to do with the video then, typically lies from the usual suspects... he's taking a break with that sweet sweet pay-out that Antifa gifted on him. Hopefully he goes and buys even better sharper cameras to further expose Portlands Far-Left scum
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Old 31st August 2019, 07:50 AM   #836
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Gone for good.

Ngo was always a bad actor, the end.

No.
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Originally Posted by TheRealnz View Post
"Quillette editor-in-chief Claire Lehmann insisted in emails to The Daily Beast that Ngo’s exit had nothing to do with the Portland Mercury story or the undercover footage that began to circulate on Twitter last week, saying instead that Ngo left the site weeks earlier but that the move was only made public on Monday.
She's lying, and only the desperately deluded woul buy into her lies. Notice how Q has scrubbed Ngo's "journalism" from their website?
And who Q was part of Ngo's bio until Monday?

Originally Posted by TheRealnz View Post
So nothing to do with the video then, typically lies from the usual suspects... he's taking a break with that sweet sweet pay-out that Antifa gifted on him. Hopefully he goes and buys even better sharper cameras to further expose Portlands Far-Left scum
Awwww, someone's hero has been outed as having feet of clay. Never mind, I'm sure their will be another right-wing thug along soon for you to idolise.
HuffPo's Luke O’Brien put it well:
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At least give Andy Ngo credit, lifting $200k off some of the dumbest people alive. Right-wing writers staked their reputations on this guy. Ted Cruz based an anti-anti-fascist congressional resolution on Ngo.
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No.
Such a wonderfully detailed rebuttal...
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Old 31st August 2019, 04:04 PM   #838
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She's lying, and only the desperately deluded woul buy into her lies. Notice how Q has scrubbed Ngo's "journalism" from their website?
And who Q was part of Ngo's bio until Monday?


Awwww, someone's hero has been outed as having feet of clay. Never mind, I'm sure their will be another right-wing thug along soon for you to idolise.
HuffPo's Luke O’Brien put it well:



Such a wonderfully detailed rebuttal...
That's great but he also came into $190k recently and Quillette said the move was on the cards for weeks and had nothing to do with the video, so anything is simply speculation and not worth a jot.

Oh and plus: https://quillette.com/author/andy-ngo/

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Old 3rd September 2019, 06:18 PM   #839
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What was all those lies about Quillette removing his work from the website.

https://quillette.com/author/andy-ngo/

Lies, just lies.
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Old 4th September 2019, 04:32 AM   #840
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Originally Posted by TheRealnz View Post
What was all those lies about Quillette removing his work from the website.

https://quillette.com/author/andy-ngo/

Lies, just lies.
We should have known all along. Catsmate's skull shape indicates he is prone to deceptions.

Read more about the very real science of phrenology and how it correlates to racial IQ gaps at Quillette.
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