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Old 18th July 2019, 04:43 PM   #121
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I wonder if he'll claim that he thought the crowd was chanting something else.

"'Send her back!'? I thought they were saying 'Men in Black!' which was a movie I really liked by the way.
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Old 18th July 2019, 05:35 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
...'Men in Black!' which was a movie I really liked by the way.
"Which proves I'm not racist"
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Old 18th July 2019, 05:40 PM   #123
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Surely you have heard about it. I find it so disturbing I don't even want to link to youtube videos of it. Trump decided to go after Congresswoman Ilhan Omar and his crowd, ever lowering themselves to new levels of deplorable, started chanting "Send her back! SEND HER BACK!..."


And here we now are. They want to deport legal immigrants. Because it was never about immigrants being legal or illegal. It was about them being immigrants that are not white.


How is the Republican party going to spin this? Or do they even try? Maybe they just double down on this, clearly that is where the party is headed, and just burn some crosses at the next rally.
Just to be clear, would you consider it OK if people called for the deportation of a white legal immigrant? Or would that be just as bad?
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Old 18th July 2019, 05:47 PM   #124
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Interesting prediction, here. I think it's likely true. We'll see.
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This is what will happen: Trump's cultists will begin chanting "Send her back! Send her back!" at his next rally. He'll lean back and crack that goofy "I'm being naughty now!" grin and say "No, no - no, no - they say you're not supposed to say that anymore. It's not PC." [Cheers]
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Old 18th July 2019, 05:51 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Ranb View Post
Not true. If a person lied on their application, then their citizenship can be voided. It happened to a few nazis if I recall correctly.
To be sure, that isn't the deportation of a U.S. citizen. It was the revocation of citizenship followed by deportation of a former citizen.
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Old 18th July 2019, 05:55 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Just to be clear, would you consider it OK if people called for the deportation of a white legal immigrant? Or would that be just as bad?
Just as bad under the same circumstances.

What Trump is calling for is just as wrong as it would be if the target of his xenophobia was Chris van Holland (Pakistan), Michael Bennet (India) David Rouzer (Germany) or Dan Crenshaw (Scotland).

Trump doesn't object to her because she was born in another country, he objects because of her brown skin and her religion - that makes him a bigot, a racist and a xenophobe.

But "just to be clear", do you support the call to send her back?

Do you support sending brown US citizens not born in the US back to the country where they were born?
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Old 18th July 2019, 05:57 PM   #127
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That POTUS (Piece Of Totally Useless ****) was asked directly what he would say to his audience regarding the chant today. Did he say he'd stop them? NO. Did he condemn it? NO. What did he do? He launches into his attack on the 4 congresswomen again.

For those handful still trying to defend this cretin, JUST. STOP. IT. There IS no defense.
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Old 18th July 2019, 06:01 PM   #128
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Just as bad under the same circumstances.
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Old 18th July 2019, 06:11 PM   #129
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Some small bit of respite from all the negativity around this,

Ilhan Omar arrived to chants of "welcome home" in Minnesota:
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Old 18th July 2019, 06:22 PM   #130
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Just as bad under the same circumstances.

What Trump is calling for is just as wrong as it would be if the target of his xenophobia was Chris van Holland (Pakistan), Michael Bennet (India) David Rouzer (Germany) or Dan Crenshaw (Scotland).
We're in agreement.

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Trump doesn't object to her because she was born in another country, he objects because of her brown skin and her religion - that makes him a bigot, a racist and a xenophobe.
I think you're reading too much into his motives. Trump is nasty to all his critics, regardless of race. He's a pretty equal-opportunity hater.

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But "just to be clear", do you support the call to send her back?
Nope. I think that's bad. Just like it was bad when Sen. Nadler essentially threatened to get Sebastian Gorka deported.

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Do you support sending brown US citizens not born in the US back to the country where they were born?
Absent some actual deportable offense such as immigration fraud (as in the case of Rasmea Odeh, I was all in favor of deporting that terrorist), I'm against deporting any US citizen, regardless of skin color.
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Old 18th July 2019, 07:23 PM   #131
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
We're in agreement.



I think you're reading too much into his motives. Trump is nasty to all his critics, regardless of race. He's a pretty equal-opportunity hater.



Nope. I think that's bad. Just like it was bad when Sen. Nadler essentially threatened to get Sebastian Gorka deported.



Absent some actual deportable offense such as immigration fraud (as in the case of Rasmea Odeh, I was all in favor of deporting that terrorist), I'm against deporting any US citizen, regardless of skin color.
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Old 18th July 2019, 07:27 PM   #132
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"He said racist things because he's hateful, not because he's racist," is a really interesting defense.
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Old 18th July 2019, 07:31 PM   #133
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
"He said racist things because he's hateful, not because he's racist," is a really interesting defense.
Yeah. I'm not a big fan of it myself.
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Old 18th July 2019, 07:31 PM   #134
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
"He said racist things because he's hateful, not because he's racist," is a really interesting defense.
It's also a ******* lie. He's a hateful, stupid racist. Some people just love racists enough to hate when they're called exactly what they are...and some of those people love trolling this forum.
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Old 18th July 2019, 07:49 PM   #135
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
"He said racist things because he's hateful, not because he's racist," is a really interesting defense.
Itís not really intended as a defense, only a clarification.
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I suspect it's easier to chant, "Send them home" with your buddies than it is to question your social influences, stop drinking and leave the NRA.
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Old 18th July 2019, 08:20 PM   #137
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Just to be clear, would you consider it OK if people called for the deportation of a white legal immigrant? Or would that be just as bad?


You know damn well this is racism yet you post this imaginary hypothesis.

Imaginary hypotheses don't change reality.
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Old 18th July 2019, 08:37 PM   #138
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
"He said racist things because he's hateful, not because he's racist," is a really interesting defense.
Anyone comfortable with calling Trump hateful but who balks at calling him racist is clinging to that bizarre distinction for reasons more rooted in self-delusion and denial than reality.
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Old 18th July 2019, 09:08 PM   #139
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Anyone comfortable with calling Trump hateful but who balks at calling him racist is clinging to that bizarre distinction for reasons more rooted in self-delusion and denial than reality.
It is in reality. Racism is tied to a belief. Every comment needs to be evaluated if that belief can be discerned. Without a test using a similar, white immigrant, it is hard to discern.
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If we are to believe Trump's own words and those of his biographers (I know, how could that be evidence), the President believes that he is genetically better than anyone he has ever met.
That is racist, even if the race is "everyone not a Trump".
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
It is in reality. Racism is tied to a belief. Every comment needs to be evaluated if that belief can be discerned. Without a test using a similar, white immigrant, it is hard to discern.
No, thatís incorrect.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
It is in reality. Racism is tied to a belief. Every comment needs to be evaluated if that belief can be discerned. Without a test using a similar, white immigrant, it is hard to discern.
what, you mean all the other Democrats, news pundits, actors, etc. etc. who said something bad about Trump? How many of those have been told by Trump to "go back to where they came from"?
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You know damn well this is racism yet you post this imaginary hypothesis.

Imaginary hypotheses don't change reality.
Itís not imaginary, it already happened.
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If Trump just called them whatever juvenile improvement on "doo-doo heads" he comes up with on a whim, that'd be one thing.

But time after time when it comes to women or minorities, he uses everything from modern dog whistles to incitement narratives from an era we'd thought was behind us.

ETA: His track from just liberals in general and even a few previous brushes with the major figures involved followed almost precisely about 48 hours behind the same focus of attention of the 'alt-right' messaging. Wading right into the Pelosi-Progressives fracas, playing up the faux virtue signalling on both sides, then concentrated "othering" of the four reps (in the aftermath of their high-profile exposure of conditions in detention facilities), and then zeroing in on Omar specifically with all the nasty, salacious stuff about marrying her brother and immigration fraud and secretly aiding terrorists everywhere, etc.

Whether its his surfing or twitter scrolling or someone printing it out for him to read, he's regurgitating the script of white nationalists on this one. Whether he knows it and does it or is so hopelessly hate-filled it doesn't strike him as wrong, he's racist. Through and through.

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Sounds a lot like SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Miller.
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Surely you have heard about it. I find it so disturbing I don't even want to link to youtube videos of it. Trump decided to go after Congresswoman Ilhan Omar and his crowd, ever lowering themselves to new levels of deplorable, started chanting "Send her back! SEND HER BACK!..."


And here we now are. They want to deport legal immigrants. Because it was never about immigrants being legal or illegal. It was about them being immigrants that are not white.


How is the Republican party going to spin this? Or do they even try? Maybe they just double down on this, clearly that is where the party is headed, and just burn some crosses at the next rally.
Of course their kind will defend it. Trump supporters are something vile, base and un-American. You should no by now that there's no depth to which magascum won't sink. They're not like us.
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Evangelicals are swing voters?
No, they are solidly in the anti America camp now.
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Who will Democrats blame next time when they lose in 2020?
The same people as last time, the stupid dumb ***** in the rust belt states.
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I saw tonight that Fox News spent a lot of time questioning Omar's marriage history.
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I saw tonight that Fox News spent a lot of time questioning Omar's marriage history.
What aspects ?

Were they promoting the lie that she married her brother to get him citizenship ?
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It’s not imaginary, it already happened.
You're not paying attention.
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Just to be clear, would you consider it OK if people called for the deportation of a white legal immigrant? Or would that be just as bad?
Who cares if it happened or didn't happen? Your question and this incident, if it happened, has no relevance what-so-ever in this discussion.

Trump has acted with one of his his habitual attacks against women and brown people.

PERIOD.

It wouldn't matter one iota if Trump also acted wrongly against a white male in similar circumstances if that is what you are referring to. That does not make Trump suddenly fair and balanced.
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You're not paying attention.
He is paying attention. He’s just trolling you. It’s a more subtle form of Bob-ing.

Don’t feed the troll.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You're not paying attention.

Who cares if it happened or didn't happen?
You do. If you didnít, you wouldnít have bothered to try to dismiss in by falsely claiming it didnít.

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Your question and this incident, if it happened, has no relevance what-so-ever in this discussion.
Itís got lots of relevance. What is the standard by which you object to Trumpís behavior? If you only object because his target is non-white, then you are racist.
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Itís got lots of relevance. What is the standard by which you object to Trumpís behavior? If you only object because his target is non-white, then you are racist.
rubbish.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
You do. If you didnít, you wouldnít have bothered to try to dismiss in by falsely claiming it didnít.



Itís got lots of relevance. What is the standard by which you object to Trumpís behavior? If you only object because his target is non-white, then you are racist.
I'm pretty sure we are objecting because it would be illegal and unconstitutional. The added racism from the President is just your usual Trumpian bonus these days.
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I'm pretty sure we are objecting because it would be illegal and unconstitutional.
It's not illegal or unconstitutional to tell someone to leave (or for them to actually leave), or even to say they should be deported.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
It’s got lots of relevance. What is the standard by which you object to Trump’s behavior? If you only object because his target is non-white, then you are racist.
When Trump starts telling white male immigrant Congressmen to "go home", and no one objects, then you might have a case.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
rubbish.
Told ya. trolling.

Here’s Zig’s pattern:
  1. Question a common-ground assumption of the topic.
  2. Gradually shift the topic to an inane discussion of the assumption.
  3. Make ridiculous claim based on countering the assumption.
  4. Refuse to support the claim until “later”.
  5. Disappear from conversation, maybe never to return OR after so much time people might have forgotten the absurd claim.
  6. Never discuss the claim again.

Just watch.

Better yet, don’t feed the troll.
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
When Trump starts telling white male immigrant Congressmen to "go home", and no one objects, then you might have a case.
Lots of people ignored it when a CNN reporter told Sebastian Gorka to "go home".
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