[Merged] Australian Politics - The Morrison Period - Page 8

psionl0 · 20th October 2018, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by fromdownunder

Turnbull's revenge?

More like Turnbull's ultimatum. "Either keep me as leader or face a by-election".

His ego was consistent with the belief that in the event of a by-election, a strong independent could wrest the seat. Turnbull had no intention of being statesman like over the leadership loss.

psionl0 · 20th October 2018, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by rjh01

I wonder if Labour could get some legislation though parliament?

Maybe in the UK but definitely not in Australia.

lionking · 20th October 2018, 02:35 AM

Abbott’s sister, Christine Forster, has announced she may run for Wentworth in May. Stupid. Sharma was the best candidate the Libs could run with. Forster would be wasting her time.

lionking · 20th October 2018, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

Maybe in the UK but definitely not in Australia.

Don’t be so sure. A carefully crafted bill may get enough independents support. It will not be a major bill though. I reckon the bulk of the independents want to get paid for another six months.

psionl0 · 20th October 2018, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Don’t be so sure. A carefully crafted bill may get enough independents support. It will not be a major bill though. I reckon the bulk of the independents want to get paid for another six months.

Aaaannnd . . . another subtle reference to the spelling of Labor goes over somebody's head.

lionking · 20th October 2018, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

Aaaannnd . . . another subtle reference to the spelling of Labor goes over somebody's head.

Yeah, got me. I normally pick stuff like that up.

You know, I think Sharma did well to keep the swing around 20%. In other circumstances I think he would have made a decent MP.

psionl0 · 20th October 2018, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

You know, I think Sharma did well to keep the swing around 20%. In other circumstances I think he would have made a decent MP.

He might still do (assuming he contests Wentworth at the next election). This by-election was uniquely about Wentworth and the anger of the voters at having their member toppled for opportunistic reasons.

At the next election, you can be sure that national issues will return to the forefront.

lionking · 20th October 2018, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

He might still do (assuming he contests Wentworth at the next election). This by-election was uniquely about Wentworth and the anger of the voters at having their member toppled for opportunistic reasons.

At the next election, you can be sure that national issues will return to the forefront.

I don’t think the Wentworth electorate will be so fickle to throw Phelps out after a few months. Remember the preferences will flow the same way, unless there is some glamour independent who directs preferences to the Libs, which I doubt.

psionl0 · 20th October 2018, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

I don’t think the Wentworth electorate will be so fickle to throw Phelps out after a few months. Remember the preferences will flow the same way, unless there is some glamour independent who directs preferences to the Libs, which I doubt.

I will take your word for it. I have no idea how blue rinse trendies think.

Thor 2 · 20th October 2018, 01:40 PM

Interesting to see where the Libs go after this debacle. I think Morrison is trying to shore up support and discourage any idea of further spills, now he is in the top job, with this statement:

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Scott Morrison has told the Liberal Party it must own the disastrous Wentworth by-election result, saying it paid "a big price" for its latest leadership coup.

Thor 2 · 21st October 2018, 01:56 PM

Government members are in denial now - post Wentworth.

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"It is a hit against the Government in Wentworth and Wentworth alone," said regional Queensland MP George Christensen.

"Wentworth is light years away from an electorate like mine.

"I don't think too much can be read out of this."

Desperate words perhaps?

Norman Alexander · 21st October 2018, 02:10 PM

Christensen might be well advised to keep his great big mouth shut about this debacle in Wentworth. His own seat is held by a way smaller margin than the LNP gave up last weekend. And it is exactly his type of attitude and behaviour that lost it for them. So should Tony Abbott, by the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_A..._seat_pendulum

lionking · 21st October 2018, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Christensen might be well advised to keep his great big mouth shut about this debacle in Wentworth. His own seat is held by a way smaller margin than the LNP gave up last weekend. And it is exactly his type of attitude and behaviour that lost it for them. So should Tony Abbott, by the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_A..._seat_pendulum

Christensen’s probably safe. Not that many people in his electorate who give a stuff about climate. Abbott is in real trouble.

Norman Alexander · 21st October 2018, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Christensen’s probably safe. Not that many people in his electorate who give a stuff about climate.

He holds it only by a few percent and it's right on the Barrier Reef which is a highly contentious situation. The big money-spinners there and local employers are tourist operations and hospitality. They are not particularly pleased with the way things have been going with their livelihood being destroyed and worse to come from George's mates. So the smallest backlash against anything George says or the people he advocates and he's in deep poop. Adani, for example.

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Abbott is in real trouble.

Good. Can't wait to see him in the dustbin of history. (I originally wrote "that ape", but that would be denigrating apes.)

psionl0 · 21st October 2018, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

(I originally wrote "that ape", but that would be denigrating apes.)

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Do we really need to lower ourselves to the level of childish name-calling?

arthwollipot · 21st October 2018, 10:39 PM

I stand by my question, regardless of who it is directed at.

Thor 2 · 22nd October 2018, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Christensen’s probably safe. Not that many people in his electorate who give a stuff about climate. Abbott is in real trouble.

Having spent some time in Mackay this year I tend to agree with this. Coal not climate is a driving force. When they can't find the means to get a resort like South Mole Island up and running again, you have to wonder about the strength of the tourist industry.

arthwollipot · 22nd October 2018, 05:41 PM

Last Dog, as usual, nails it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...pes-and-dreams

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Scott and his murderous crew of tumescent death elves are riding the overcrowded democracy bus to Hung Parliament City. Honk Honk!

Norman Alexander · 22nd October 2018, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

Having spent some time in Mackay this year I tend to agree with this. Coal not climate is a driving force.

Sure. For now. Thing is, this makes it a one-trick pony which will pass and very quickly. And it might leave ruin in its wake. Newcastle NSW learned this lesson the hard way when BHP shut down the major employer in that city. No steel-works, no mining, no jobs...not fun. Diversification is the answer. But try telling the Queensland Nats that!

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When they can't find the means to get a resort like South Mole Island up and running again, you have to wonder about the strength of the tourist industry.

It's a tendency to still think 1970's business model when it is nearly 2020. Drinking tinnies and chucking shrimps on barbies is SO passe. There are plenty of attractive holiday offerings elsewhere in the world at good prices. So a resort just being there is no longer enough to draw the crowds.

arthwollipot · 22nd October 2018, 08:09 PM

'Go to an early election; get smashed': NSW Liberal's advice to Morrison

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A NSW MP has urged Prime Minister Scott Morrison to call an early election and get "smashed" at the polls in order to save bigger losses at the state level.

Peter Phelps' comments come after the Liberals' historic loss of Malcolm Turnbull's seat of Wentworth to independent Kerryn Phelps on the weekend. The result means the government has lost its one-seat majority, which Mr Morrison conceded was due to his predecessor's ousting in August.

Thor 2 · 23rd October 2018, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

'Go to an early election; get smashed': NSW Liberal's advice to Morrison

Here is Morrison's chance to be a martyr. Fat chance he will take it up methinks.

Norman Alexander · 23rd October 2018, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

Here is Morrison's chance to be a martyr. Fat chance he will take it up methinks.

Hand-waving for Jebus, aka wishful thinking, runs up against the wall of realpolitik.

arthwollipot · 23rd October 2018, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

Here is Morrison's chance to be a martyr. Fat chance he will take it up methinks.

Yeah, but it's pretty telling that the State Liberal Party is saying to the Federal Liberal Party that they're too much of a trainwreck and to get off the stage.

Norman Alexander · 23rd October 2018, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Yeah, but it's pretty telling that the State Liberal Party is saying to the Federal Liberal Party that they're too much of a trainwreck and to get off the stage.

Given the state of Berejiklian's government trying to shoot itself in the foot on a weekly basis, that's REALLY saying something about Morrison's pack of neo-lib troglodytes!

psionl0 · 23rd October 2018, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

Here is Morrison's chance to be a martyr. Fat chance he will take it up methinks.

A pretty dumb suggestion in the first place. I have never heard of a party winning a state election because the same party lost the federal election.

Norman Alexander · 23rd October 2018, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by psionl0

A pretty dumb suggestion in the first place. I have never heard of a party winning a state election because the same party lost the federal election.

No, it's because the state party don't want to lose the next state election by being associated with the federal party that is going out of their way to lose the next federal election.

Or in other words, Abbott is your problem, Scomo, not ours.

Damien Evans · 23rd October 2018, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

'Go to an early election; get smashed': NSW Liberal's advice to Morrison

Of course the NSW Liberal doesn't realise that even if they had called an election yesterday it would have to have been held after the Victorian state election anyway. Ignorant nutter.

psionl0 · 23rd October 2018, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

No, it's because the state party don't want to lose the next state election by being associated with the federal party that is going out of their way to lose the next federal election.

Or in other words, Abbott is your problem, Scomo, not ours.

That doesn't mean that the state party will get more votes if the federal party loses the election first.

Norman Alexander · 23rd October 2018, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by psionl0

That doesn't mean that the state party will get more votes if the federal party loses the election first.

They seem to be hoping they will.

It would seem...

FYI, I think they are both on slippery slides to the wasteland of opposition. Just who will hit the bottom of their slide first is the question.

rjh01 · 24th October 2018, 12:31 AM

Have not done any research, just going on my memory, but what seams to happen is that
1. The party in power at the Federal level changes.
2. A few years pass.
3. That party in power at the Federal level loses power in several state governments over the course of several years.
4. Go to step 1.

Anyone else notice it? Or is it just me?

psionl0 · 24th October 2018, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

They seem to be hoping they will.

It would seem...

Then they are absolutely stupid.

There have been a number of occasions where state Premiers have sold out their federal colleagues - in effect saying "don't blame us for those idiots in Canberra". That's a lot different to saying "lose the federal election so that we will magically get more state votes".

lionking · 24th October 2018, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

Then they are absolutely stupid.

There have been a number of occasions where state Premiers have sold out their federal colleagues - in effect saying "don't blame us for those idiots in Canberra". That's a lot different to saying "lose the federal election so that we will magically get more state votes".

I agree with you here.

Norman Alexander · 24th October 2018, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by psionl0

Then they are absolutely stupid.

There have been a number of occasions where state Premiers have sold out their federal colleagues - in effect saying "don't blame us for those idiots in Canberra". That's a lot different to saying "lose the federal election so that we will magically get more state votes".

Agreed. They are both being colossally stupid. And while they continue to endorse and entertain input from the current member for Warringah and his ilk, they will continue down this slippery slide to oblivion.

quadraginta · 24th October 2018, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

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Originally Posted by Thor 2

When they can't find the means to get a resort like South Mole Island up and running again, you have to wonder about the strength of the tourist industry.

It's a tendency to still think 1970's business model when it is nearly 2020. Drinking tinnies and chucking shrimps on barbies is SO passe. There are plenty of attractive holiday offerings elsewhere in the world at good prices. So a resort just being there is no longer enough to draw the crowds.

Resorts, like amusement parks, get long in the tooth and die frequently. Their use-by dates are shorter than many people imagine.

Sure there are some that survive and thrive, but they are more the exception than the rule.

From what I have read, South Mole Island was already deep in debt and struggling well before it got clobbered by a hurricane, which only made bad matters worse.

The landscape is littered with the skeletons of failed once-popular resorts. They make up a surprising percentage of the scenes captured by websites of abandoned properties.

Thor 2 · 24th October 2018, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Damien Evans

Of course the NSW Liberal doesn't realise that even if they had called an election yesterday it would have to have been held after the Victorian state election anyway. Ignorant nutter.

Good point! Of course thinking has never been a strong point with the Liberals, but lately they seem to have turned stupidity into an art form.

arthwollipot · 24th October 2018, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by psionl0

That doesn't mean that the state party will get more votes if the federal party loses the election first.

Ehhh. That's not quite what they're saying. They're not saying that they'll get more votes, they're saying that they won't get fewer.

X <> ~Y

Norman Alexander · 24th October 2018, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

Resorts, like amusement parks, get long in the tooth and die frequently. Their use-by dates are shorter than many people imagine.

Sure there are some that survive and thrive, but they are more the exception than the rule.

From what I have read, South Mole Island was already deep in debt and struggling well before it got clobbered by a hurricane, which only made bad matters worse.

The landscape is littered with the skeletons of failed once-popular resorts. They make up a surprising percentage of the scenes captured by websites of abandoned properties.

Yep. So you would think enterprising resort designers would bear this in mind. It costs money to walk away from such a huge investment.

arthwollipot · 24th October 2018, 08:14 PM

Fraser Anning on verge of being dumped from Katter's Australian Party for views on race, non-European migration

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Senator Anning last week sought to introduce a bill for a plebiscite on non-European migration to Australia, "to give the people a say on who comes to this country".

"We've had a plebiscite on same-sex marriage. This is a far more important issue, and it's one the Australian people, I'm sure, would like to have a say in," Senator Anning told reporters last week.

He said his plebiscite would also ask whether "Muslim immigration" should be stopped.

He denied this was bigoted, saying it was not "bigoted at all to give Australians a say in who comes here".

"As we've seen in London and Paris right now, it's a war zone at times and the groups I've just mentioned, the Muslims, are predominantly ... they're the ones causing the problems," Senator Anning said.

psionl0 · 24th October 2018, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Ehhh. That's not quite what they're saying. They're not saying that they'll get more votes, they're saying that they won't get fewer.

X <> ~Y

That's still saying that they think they will get more votes than they otherwise would have gotten and it is still utter stupidity.

arthwollipot · 24th October 2018, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by psionl0

That's still saying that they think they will get more votes than they otherwise would have gotten and it is still utter stupidity.

I'm not disagreeing that it's stupid.

20th October 2018, 01:38 AM	#281
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 17,008	Originally Posted by fromdownunder Turnbull's revenge? More like Turnbull's ultimatum. "Either keep me as leader or face a by-election". His ego was consistent with the belief that in the event of a by-election, a strong independent could wrest the seat. Turnbull had no intention of being statesman like over the leadership loss.
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20th October 2018, 02:21 AM	#282
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 17,008	Originally Posted by rjh01 I wonder if Labour could get some legislation though parliament? Maybe in the UK but definitely not in Australia.
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20th October 2018, 02:35 AM	#283
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,999	Abbott’s sister, Christine Forster, has announced she may run for Wentworth in May. Stupid. Sharma was the best candidate the Libs could run with. Forster would be wasting her time.
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20th October 2018, 02:39 AM	#284
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,999	Originally Posted by psionl0 Maybe in the UK but definitely not in Australia. Don’t be so sure. A carefully crafted bill may get enough independents support. It will not be a major bill though. I reckon the bulk of the independents want to get paid for another six months.
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20th October 2018, 03:27 AM	#285
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 17,008	Originally Posted by lionking Don’t be so sure. A carefully crafted bill may get enough independents support. It will not be a major bill though. I reckon the bulk of the independents want to get paid for another six months. Aaaannnd . . . another subtle reference to the spelling of Labor goes over somebody's head.
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20th October 2018, 03:31 AM	#286
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,999	Originally Posted by psionl0 Aaaannnd . . . another subtle reference to the spelling of Labor goes over somebody's head. Yeah, got me. I normally pick stuff like that up. You know, I think Sharma did well to keep the swing around 20%. In other circumstances I think he would have made a decent MP.
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20th October 2018, 03:43 AM	#287
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 17,008	Originally Posted by lionking You know, I think Sharma did well to keep the swing around 20%. In other circumstances I think he would have made a decent MP. He might still do (assuming he contests Wentworth at the next election). This by-election was uniquely about Wentworth and the anger of the voters at having their member toppled for opportunistic reasons. At the next election, you can be sure that national issues will return to the forefront.
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20th October 2018, 04:05 AM	#288
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,999	Originally Posted by psionl0 He might still do (assuming he contests Wentworth at the next election). This by-election was uniquely about Wentworth and the anger of the voters at having their member toppled for opportunistic reasons. At the next election, you can be sure that national issues will return to the forefront. I don’t think the Wentworth electorate will be so fickle to throw Phelps out after a few months. Remember the preferences will flow the same way, unless there is some glamour independent who directs preferences to the Libs, which I doubt.
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20th October 2018, 04:16 AM	#289
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 17,008	Originally Posted by lionking I don’t think the Wentworth electorate will be so fickle to throw Phelps out after a few months. Remember the preferences will flow the same way, unless there is some glamour independent who directs preferences to the Libs, which I doubt. I will take your word for it. I have no idea how blue rinse trendies think.
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20th October 2018, 01:40 PM	#290
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Brisbane, Aust. Posts: 6,608	Interesting to see where the Libs go after this debacle. I think Morrison is trying to shore up support and discourage any idea of further spills, now he is in the top job, with this statement: Quote: Scott Morrison has told the Liberal Party it must own the disastrous Wentworth by-election result, saying it paid "a big price" for its latest leadership coup.
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21st October 2018, 01:56 PM	#291
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Brisbane, Aust. Posts: 6,608	Government members are in denial now - post Wentworth. Quote: "It is a hit against the Government in Wentworth and Wentworth alone," said regional Queensland MP George Christensen. "Wentworth is light years away from an electorate like mine. "I don't think too much can be read out of this." Desperate words perhaps?
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21st October 2018, 02:10 PM	#292
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Christensen might be well advised to keep his great big mouth shut about this debacle in Wentworth. His own seat is held by a way smaller margin than the LNP gave up last weekend. And it is exactly his type of attitude and behaviour that lost it for them. So should Tony Abbott, by the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_A..._seat_pendulum
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21st October 2018, 03:27 PM	#293
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,999	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Christensen might be well advised to keep his great big mouth shut about this debacle in Wentworth. His own seat is held by a way smaller margin than the LNP gave up last weekend. And it is exactly his type of attitude and behaviour that lost it for them. So should Tony Abbott, by the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_A..._seat_pendulum Christensen’s probably safe. Not that many people in his electorate who give a stuff about climate. Abbott is in real trouble.
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21st October 2018, 04:14 PM	#294
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by lionking Christensen’s probably safe. Not that many people in his electorate who give a stuff about climate. He holds it only by a few percent and it's right on the Barrier Reef which is a highly contentious situation. The big money-spinners there and local employers are tourist operations and hospitality. They are not particularly pleased with the way things have been going with their livelihood being destroyed and worse to come from George's mates. So the smallest backlash against anything George says or the people he advocates and he's in deep poop. Adani, for example. Quote: Abbott is in real trouble. Good. Can't wait to see him in the dustbin of history. (I originally wrote "that ape", but that would be denigrating apes.)
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21st October 2018, 10:37 PM	#295
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 17,008	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (I originally wrote "that ape", but that would be denigrating apes.) Originally Posted by arthwollipot Do we really need to lower ourselves to the level of childish name-calling?
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21st October 2018, 10:39 PM	#296
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22nd October 2018, 01:26 PM	#297
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Brisbane, Aust. Posts: 6,608	Originally Posted by lionking Christensen’s probably safe. Not that many people in his electorate who give a stuff about climate. Abbott is in real trouble. Having spent some time in Mackay this year I tend to agree with this. Coal not climate is a driving force. When they can't find the means to get a resort like South Mole Island up and running again, you have to wonder about the strength of the tourist industry.
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22nd October 2018, 05:41 PM	#298
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 70,273	Last Dog, as usual, nails it. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...pes-and-dreams Quote: Scott and his murderous crew of tumescent death elves are riding the overcrowded democracy bus to Hung Parliament City. Honk Honk!
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22nd October 2018, 07:59 PM	#299
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by Thor 2 Having spent some time in Mackay this year I tend to agree with this. Coal not climate is a driving force. Sure. For now. Thing is, this makes it a one-trick pony which will pass and very quickly. And it might leave ruin in its wake. Newcastle NSW learned this lesson the hard way when BHP shut down the major employer in that city. No steel-works, no mining, no jobs...not fun. Diversification is the answer. But try telling the Queensland Nats that! Quote: When they can't find the means to get a resort like South Mole Island up and running again, you have to wonder about the strength of the tourist industry. It's a tendency to still think 1970's business model when it is nearly 2020. Drinking tinnies and chucking shrimps on barbies is SO passe. There are plenty of attractive holiday offerings elsewhere in the world at good prices. So a resort just being there is no longer enough to draw the crowds.
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22nd October 2018, 08:09 PM	#300
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 70,273	'Go to an early election; get smashed': NSW Liberal's advice to Morrison Quote: A NSW MP has urged Prime Minister Scott Morrison to call an early election and get "smashed" at the polls in order to save bigger losses at the state level. Peter Phelps' comments come after the Liberals' historic loss of Malcolm Turnbull's seat of Wentworth to independent Kerryn Phelps on the weekend. The result means the government has lost its one-seat majority, which Mr Morrison conceded was due to his predecessor's ousting in August.
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23rd October 2018, 02:09 PM	#301
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Brisbane, Aust. Posts: 6,608	Originally Posted by arthwollipot 'Go to an early election; get smashed': NSW Liberal's advice to Morrison Here is Morrison's chance to be a martyr. Fat chance he will take it up methinks.
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23rd October 2018, 03:49 PM	#302
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by Thor 2 Here is Morrison's chance to be a martyr. Fat chance he will take it up methinks. Hand-waving for Jebus, aka wishful thinking, runs up against the wall of realpolitik.
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23rd October 2018, 06:18 PM	#303
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 70,273	Originally Posted by Thor 2 Here is Morrison's chance to be a martyr. Fat chance he will take it up methinks. Yeah, but it's pretty telling that the State Liberal Party is saying to the Federal Liberal Party that they're too much of a trainwreck and to get off the stage.
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23rd October 2018, 07:42 PM	#304
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Yeah, but it's pretty telling that the State Liberal Party is saying to the Federal Liberal Party that they're too much of a trainwreck and to get off the stage. Given the state of Berejiklian's government trying to shoot itself in the foot on a weekly basis, that's REALLY saying something about Morrison's pack of neo-lib troglodytes!
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23rd October 2018, 07:47 PM	#305
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 17,008	Originally Posted by Thor 2 Here is Morrison's chance to be a martyr. Fat chance he will take it up methinks. A pretty dumb suggestion in the first place. I have never heard of a party winning a state election because the same party lost the federal election.
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23rd October 2018, 07:57 PM	#306
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by psionl0 A pretty dumb suggestion in the first place. I have never heard of a party winning a state election because the same party lost the federal election. No, it's because the state party don't want to lose the next state election by being associated with the federal party that is going out of their way to lose the next federal election. Or in other words, Abbott is your problem, Scomo, not ours.
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23rd October 2018, 11:18 PM	#307
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 34,458	Originally Posted by arthwollipot 'Go to an early election; get smashed': NSW Liberal's advice to Morrison Of course the NSW Liberal doesn't realise that even if they had called an election yesterday it would have to have been held after the Victorian state election anyway. Ignorant nutter.
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23rd October 2018, 11:25 PM	#308
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 17,008	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander No, it's because the state party don't want to lose the next state election by being associated with the federal party that is going out of their way to lose the next federal election. Or in other words, Abbott is your problem, Scomo, not ours. That doesn't mean that the state party will get more votes if the federal party loses the election first.
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23rd October 2018, 11:38 PM	#309
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by psionl0 That doesn't mean that the state party will get more votes if the federal party loses the election first. They seem to be hoping they will. It would seem... FYI, I think they are both on slippery slides to the wasteland of opposition. Just who will hit the bottom of their slide first is the question.
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24th October 2018, 12:31 AM	#310
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flying around in the sky Posts: 26,516	Have not done any research, just going on my memory, but what seams to happen is that 1. The party in power at the Federal level changes. 2. A few years pass. 3. That party in power at the Federal level loses power in several state governments over the course of several years. 4. Go to step 1. Anyone else notice it? Or is it just me?
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24th October 2018, 02:04 AM	#311
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 17,008	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander They seem to be hoping they will. It would seem... Then they are absolutely stupid. There have been a number of occasions where state Premiers have sold out their federal colleagues - in effect saying "don't blame us for those idiots in Canberra". That's a lot different to saying "lose the federal election so that we will magically get more state votes".
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24th October 2018, 02:41 AM	#312
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,999	Originally Posted by psionl0 Then they are absolutely stupid. There have been a number of occasions where state Premiers have sold out their federal colleagues - in effect saying "don't blame us for those idiots in Canberra". That's a lot different to saying "lose the federal election so that we will magically get more state votes". I agree with you here.
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24th October 2018, 05:38 AM	#313
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,795	Originally Posted by psionl0 Then they are absolutely stupid. There have been a number of occasions where state Premiers have sold out their federal colleagues - in effect saying "don't blame us for those idiots in Canberra". That's a lot different to saying "lose the federal election so that we will magically get more state votes". Agreed. They are both being colossally stupid. And while they continue to endorse and entertain input from the current member for Warringah and his ilk, they will continue down this slippery slide to oblivion.
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24th October 2018, 01:12 PM	#314
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,177	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander <snip> Originally Posted by Thor 2 When they can't find the means to get a resort like South Mole Island up and running again, you have to wonder about the strength of the tourist industry. It's a tendency to still think 1970's business model when it is nearly 2020. Drinking tinnies and chucking shrimps on barbies is SO passe. There are plenty of attractive holiday offerings elsewhere in the world at good prices. So a resort just being there is no longer enough to draw the crowds. Resorts, like amusement parks, get long in the tooth and die frequently. Their use-by dates are shorter than many people imagine. Sure there are some that survive and thrive, but they are more the exception than the rule. From what I have read, South Mole Island was already deep in debt and struggling well before it got clobbered by a hurricane, which only made bad matters worse. The landscape is littered with the skeletons of failed once-popular resorts. They make up a surprising percentage of the scenes captured by websites of abandoned properties.
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24th October 2018, 02:41 PM	#315
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Brisbane, Aust. Posts: 6,608	Originally Posted by Damien Evans Of course the NSW Liberal doesn't realise that even if they had called an election yesterday it would have to have been held after the Victorian state election anyway. Ignorant nutter. Good point! Of course thinking has never been a strong point with the Liberals, but lately they seem to have turned stupidity into an art form.
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