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The Majority Report (July 23, 2020): Bolivian March
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In spirit maybe, but by the letter of the law it was both legal and constitutional because the Bolivian Supreme Court ruled that it was. Populist leaders subverting the checks and balances built into the political system is a problem, but not as big a problem as a party with no support subverting the entire democratic process.
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Nationwide general strike in Bolivia since Aug. 3rd in response to the coup government postponing elections for a third time.
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Not Evo Morales, but maybe more difficult to dismiss by international observers:
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Man, you are really full of excuses for dictatorships that you like.
![]() I just wonder what next excuse will be, because we both know there won't be any free election in Bolivia any time soon. Better to prepare new set of excuses why it is totally legit (when someone you like does it, that's it) already! Protip for ya: previous dictator being dictator does not justify current dictator being dictator. Brought to you by Captain Obvious. |
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Most recent polling shows MAS holding a massive lead, likely to win first round victory without need for runoff.
https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/st...96679004549121 The coup government would end the moment they allowed a free and fair election to go forward. I expect they'll delay until they find a way to fix this problem. |
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Seems to me that the coup government going to try to hold off elections until such time that the right wing of the country has consolidated around a candidate. All the polling shows MAS in a strong lead and taking a first round win, but perhaps a strategically scheduled election day can tilt the scales. |
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The pandemic excuse is only growing stronger: Bolivia is now #6 on the list of Deaths per million. The country just overtook Brazil and may soon overtake Spain. |
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Excellent article about the coup in The Intercept, focusing on the role of US journalism as propagandists.
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Bolivia descends into chaos ahead of elections (DeutscheWelle, Sep. 24, 2020)
Anez seems to be busy privatizing state property before the election:
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Disgusting coup.
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The coup is over. The popular socialist party of Bovlia, MAS, wins in a land slide victory Sunday night.
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And Añez, the leader of the interim coup government, seems to have accepted defeat:
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It's a dangerous time for sure. It's not too late for a second wave of coup violence and a total abandonment of even the pretense of a democratic system.
A good indicator might be coup leaders fleeing the country. If they aren't going to attempt another power grab, it's probably in their best interests to gtfo before the new MAS government starts investigating all the violent repression that took place during the coup regime. |
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The mainstream media have been remarkably silent so far.
A good video from Rebel HQ: US propaganda shattered by Bolivias's election results
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Eleven months and it looks like we have a good outcome and my solidarity avatar isn't needed anymore. Which is good timing as I now can go back to an older play on the theme that is timely again. ![]() I came to love the wiphala version, though, and will certainly come back to it in let's say two weeks. For the record: |
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Puebla Group demands resignation of Luis Almagro for his involvement with the coup in Bolivia Bolivia: Left’s overwhelming win a sharp rebuke to Canadian foreign policy (Richochet, Oct. 23, 2020) Chile could be next - at very long last: Chance for Chile to forge new path in vote to scrap Pinochet-era constitution (Guardian, Oct. 22, 2020) No word from McHrozni since June ... |
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More good news
Luis Arce promises to ‘rebuild’ Bolivia after huge election win - The result, which was a vindication to Evo Morales’s MAS party, also gave majorities in both houses of Congress (AlJazeera, Oct. 23, 2020)
Celebrations as Chile votes by huge majority to scrap Pinochet-era constitution - A plebiscite called in response to street protests in 2019 sees 78% of people back a new charter to replace one imposed by military dictator (Guardian, Oct. 26, 2020) |
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Bolivian judge annuls Evo Morales's arrest warrant (BBC, Oct. 27, 2020)
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Triumphant MAS intends to prosecute for criminal violence conducted by the coup regime. You love to see it. I assume most of these coup leaders will flee the country before any kind of real justice is served. |
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Evo Morales returns to Bolivia on Nov. 11:
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Evo Morales to return from exile to Bolivia in 800-vehicle convoy (Guardian, Nov. 5, 2020)
Morales confirms Bolivia return, with chaperone (France24, Nov. 7, 2020) Bolivia's leftwing president-elect: 'We have reclaimed democracy' (Guardian, Nov. 8, 2020) |
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Inauguration in Bolivia today:
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Thousands of cheering and flag-waving supporters welcomed Morales in Bolivia a year after he was removed from power (AlJazeera, Nov. 9, 2020)
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I would have recommended handing out face masks to his followers. |
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Many observers would like to see some kind of political rivalry between Arce and Morales, but I doubt that there is any. |
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The president of the country, Luis Arce; the vice president, David Choquehuanca, and the presidents of the Senate, Andrónico Rodríguez, and of the Deputies, Freddy Mamani, both from MAS were invited to the rally. While Morales was in Argentina, the vice president of MAS, Gerardo García, took the reins of the party on an interim basis and mainly to facilitate some procedures before the electoral body. While in exile, the ex-president was his party's campaign manager in the general elections, and now it is to be expected that he will repeat this role in the sub-national elections. Evo Morales resumes the presidency of the Movement to Socialism It looks like the 'inauguration' crowd size that Trump can only dream of:
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Morales & Arce:
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Bolivia charges 26 police officers for their role in 2019 Washington-backed coup (MorningStar, Jan. 21, 2021)
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Bolivia is still dealing with the pandemic.
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Bolivia seems to be doing much better after the coup makers were dethroned:
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Communists on one side, CIA backed death squads on the other. Diplomacy in South America is never boring.
I don't see why this claim is so hard to believe. It's undeniable that the previous MAS lead government was responsible for lifting huge portions of the population out of poverty, and that the right wing reaction was largely opposed to these measures. The rich elites made a grab for power and failed, and now the MAS is rolling back their disastrous policies meant to put the poor back into their place.
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Those who are most fanatical in their condemnation of others are often mortally afraid that, in their deepest subconcious, they agree with those who they are condemning. Communism actively works against the fundamental urge of the human animal to survive and prosper, even at the expense of others, whilst Nazism relies on that urge. |
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