[Continuation] Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10. - Page 10

Squeegee Beckenheim · 22nd July 2020, 01:47 AM

David Lammy is not happy: https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/stat...339958272?s=20

Quote:

Every word of this is the truth...

Video embedded in tweet.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 22nd July 2020, 01:56 AM

And here's a test; which of today's papers have this as front page news?

Here's the front pages

Those with it as the main headline:

Metro, Financial Times, Daily Mail¹, i, The Guardian, Daily Express².

Those who have something related:

The Times, going with Boris giving M15 new powers to tackle Russian interference.

Those who don't mention it at all:

Daily Telegraph³, Daily Star, Daily Mirror⁴

Not featured on that page:

The Sun (although a quick perusal of the front page of their website sees that story nowhere to be found).

¹Although they appear to be downplaying the government's complicity

²Although their take is to have Boris' denial be the headline and story

³There's a teeny-tiny story down at the bottom of the page

⁴Puzzling, given they're the only left-wing tabloid

The Don · 22nd July 2020, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

David Lammy is not happy: https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/stat...339958272?s=20

Video embedded in tweet.

I certainly agree with him but then again, as a Remoaner, I would.

The trouble is that, thanks to the British electorate, the Conservatives have a thumping majority and a clear mandate to implement whatever kind of Brexit they see fit. Given that they seem hell-bent on a no-deal Brexit, with all that entails, then that's what we'll get.

Repeated votes to strike down food standards, employment rights and NHS protection in light of demands from the US for their trade deal show the clear direction of travel for the government post-Brexit despite all their manifesto assurances.

Firestone · 22nd July 2020, 02:29 AM

Well, about that US-UK trade deal:

"The UK government has abandoned hopes of reaching a trade deal with America ahead of the US presidential election in November, with British officials blaming the Covid-19 pandemic for slow progress."

https://www.ft.com/content/383f174e-...3-d2b5f6453fd4

The Don · 22nd July 2020, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Well, about that US-UK trade deal:

"The UK government has abandoned hopes of reaching a trade deal with America ahead of the US presidential election in November, with British officials blaming the Covid-19 pandemic for slow progress."

https://www.ft.com/content/383f174e-...3-d2b5f6453fd4

I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal.

Jack by the hedge · 22nd July 2020, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal.

I had assumed something similar. Perhaps briefing the press that they cannot achieve what no sane person imagined they could achieve is not aimed at sane people. It might be managing the expectations of the people who demanded to know in late 2016 "why haven't we left yet".

Squeegee Beckenheim · 22nd July 2020, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I certainly agree with him but then again, as a Remoaner, I would.

The trouble is that, thanks to the British electorate, the Conservatives have a thumping majority and a clear mandate to implement whatever kind of Brexit they see fit. Given that they seem hell-bent on a no-deal Brexit, with all that entails, then that's what we'll get.

Repeated votes to strike down food standards, employment rights and NHS protection in light of demands from the US for their trade deal show the clear direction of travel for the government post-Brexit despite all their manifesto assurances.

If only someone had said something at the time, eh?

Wudang · 22nd July 2020, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal.

From February 2016 https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a3189151.html

Quote:

the words of a leading American trade negotiator discussing the slow progress being made on a trade deal between the US and the EU. It was taking time, he said, because the US was having to learn how to deal with an adversary who was an equal. This was in stark contrast with the way the US deals with individual countries. “Normally we just fax them our terms and tell them to sign.”

Firestone · 22nd July 2020, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal.

My understanding is that the UK can negotiate trade deals now, but that these deals can come into force only in 2021.

The UK government and the Trump administration had made a lot of noises that a deal would easily be reached by this summer, quod non apparently.

Quote:

The UK has left the EU. We are now able to negotiate, sign and ratify new trade agreements. These can come into force after 31 December 2020.

The UK’s priority is to launch negotiations with the EU, the US, Australia, New Zealand and Japan.

The government is continuing its programme of work to reproduce effects of existing EU trade agreements. It is also considering joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...%20and%20Japan.

Wudang · 22nd July 2020, 09:36 AM

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...dling-11390068

Quote:

Boris Johnson's dad wants Brexit re-run over 'obvious' Russia meddling

Lothian · 22nd July 2020, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Wudang

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...dling-11390068

Pah, as Grant Shapps pointed out on R4 this morning'-
The Government has seen no evidence of Russian meddling.

Almost as if he hadn't read the report to work out why that might be.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 22nd July 2020, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Lothian

Pah, as Grant Shapps pointed out on R4 this morning'-
The Government has seen no evidence of Russian meddling.

Almost as if he hadn't read the report to work out why that might be.

"Ships? I see no ships!"

Captain_Swoop · 22nd July 2020, 04:57 PM

Top Civil Servant in BEIS warned that the "unusual" purchase of a stake in bankrupt space operator OneWeb - heavily pushed by Dominic Cummings - could end up with taxpayers losing the entire $500m

Downing Street pushed ahead with an investment in a bankrupt satellite operator as part of its post-Brexit independent space strategy despite a warning the “unusual” deal could see taxpayers losing the entire $500m with “no wider benefits accrued”.

https://www.ft.com/content/d0721bad-...c-b11500f6bb6a

gypsyjackson · 22nd July 2020, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Those who don't mention it at all:

Daily Telegraph³, Daily Star, Daily Mirror⁴

⁴Puzzling, given they're the only left-wing tabloid

Isn’t the Mirror now part of the Reach group, in with the Express and the Star, these days?

So while it still maintains a broadly left-wing editorial line, perhaps it’s been told not to write on this.

The Don · 23rd July 2020, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

Isn’t the Mirror now part of the Reach group, in with the Express and the Star, these days?

So while it still maintains a broadly left-wing editorial line, perhaps it’s been told not to write on this.

I'd be surprised, not least because Reach originated from Trinity Mirror. If there was editorial interference then I'd expect it to be the other way, with the Express being asked to be a touch less right wing. I see no evidence of that.

The Don · 23rd July 2020, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Top Civil Servant in BEIS warned that the "unusual" purchase of a stake in bankrupt space operator OneWeb - heavily pushed by Dominic Cummings - could end up with taxpayers losing the entire $500m

Downing Street pushed ahead with an investment in a bankrupt satellite operator as part of its post-Brexit independent space strategy despite a warning the “unusual” deal could see taxpayers losing the entire $500m with “no wider benefits accrued”.

https://www.ft.com/content/d0721bad-...c-b11500f6bb6a

The bad news is that the deal could see the UK taxpayer losing at least $500m - after all we're likely to plough more money in to pay for some satellites which will never appear or never work properly.

The "good" news is that even if the losses run into billions, they'll just be a rounding error in the much broader economic damage brought on by Brexit and by this government's scandalous mishandling of Covid-19.

Captain_Swoop · 23rd July 2020, 03:01 AM

Boris has announced via official written statement (numberHCWS417) that responsibility for the Govt use of data has transferred from the Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport directly to the Cabinet Office.
This is to ensure that data is used most effectively by the Govt.

That's nice,

Darat · 23rd July 2020, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Boris has announced via official written statement (numberHCWS417) that responsibility for the Govt use of data has transferred from the Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport directly to the Cabinet Office.
This is to ensure that data is used most effectively by the Govt.

That's nice,

Sounds like they've worked out the problem they are concerned about is the numbers....

The Don · 23rd July 2020, 05:43 AM

Looks like the UK's Brexit negotiators are doing their job - if their job is to ensure a no-deal Brexit.

Quote:

The UK and EU have said they still remain some way off reaching a post-Brexit trade agreement, following the latest negotiations in London.

UK chief negotiator David Frost said there were "considerable gaps" in the most difficult areas, but a deal could still be reached in September.

His EU counterpart Michel Barnier said both sides were still "far away" and time was running out for negotiations.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53513612

Obviously both sides will want to put their own spin on how negotiations are going and each side will want to be cagey about what they're willing to negotiate on and how far they're prepared to move but I tend to agree with the EU's assessment:

Quote:

Speaking after the talks, Mr Barnier said a deal was "at this point unlikely" unless the UK changed its stance over fisheries and post-Brexit rules on competition.

He said the UK had not shown a "willingness to break the deadlock" in these areas, and the "time for answers is quickly running out".

He told reporters there was a risk of no deal being reached unless the UK changed course on the topics, which were "at the heart" of the EU's trade interests.

He added that an agreement would be needed by October "at the latest" so it could be ratified before the current post-Brexit transition period ends in December

I thought Boris Johnson said that there was an "oven ready" deal - maybe he was just lying, again.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...deal-1-6689014

The Don · 23rd July 2020, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Sounds like they've worked out the problem they are concerned about is the numbers....

Yes, and the numbers following a no-deal Brexit are going to be frightening so much better to keep a lid on things.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 23rd July 2020, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

I thought Boris Johnson said that there was an "oven ready" deal - maybe he was just lying, again.

Oh there was. It was a fantastic deal, remember? Then he realised that it was a terrible deal, after all, and fired the person who said it was a fantastic deal. One *checks notes* B. Johnson. No relation, I'm sure.

P.J. Denyer · 23rd July 2020, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Boris has announced via official written statement (numberHCWS417) that responsibility for the Govt use of data has transferred from the Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport directly to the Cabinet Office.
This is to ensure that data is used most effectively by the Govt.

That's nice,

As I said in the Covid thread

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

Government by 'making whatever a minister/PM Cummings was caught doing yesterday legal'

Garrison · 23rd July 2020, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Top Civil Servant in BEIS warned that the "unusual" purchase of a stake in bankrupt space operator OneWeb - heavily pushed by Dominic Cummings - could end up with taxpayers losing the entire $500m

Downing Street pushed ahead with an investment in a bankrupt satellite operator as part of its post-Brexit independent space strategy despite a warning the “unusual” deal could see taxpayers losing the entire $500m with “no wider benefits accrued”.

https://www.ft.com/content/d0721bad-...c-b11500f6bb6a

The satellites are made in Florida, the rockets launching them are European/Russian and the main rival to OneWeb is Starlink, which is owned by SpaceX which means their launch costs are a fraction of OneWeb's and their launch cadence is far higher than OneWeb can even dream of.

The government basically just 500 million down the drain.

Trebuchet · 23rd July 2020, 02:07 PM

Scott Manley discusses OneWeb:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

catsmate · 23rd July 2020, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Garrison

The satellites are made in Florida, the rockets launching them are European/Russian and the main rival to OneWeb is Starlink, which is owned by SpaceX which means their launch costs are a fraction of OneWeb's and their launch cadence is far higher than OneWeb can even dream of.

The government basically just 500 million down the drain.

Also they're useless for satellite navigation.

Captain_Swoop · 23rd July 2020, 04:20 PM

Apparently the U.K. could require foreign states to name their spies operating in the country on a government register
https://trib.al/KmU2lLz

Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag”

Captain_Swoop · 23rd July 2020, 05:44 PM

A reminder from our government.
Being in a strong union with Scotland, working together, having no trade barriers makes us mighty!
Being in a strong union with the EU, working together, having no trade barriers is undemocratic, why do you hate your country, take back control!

Trebuchet · 23rd July 2020, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

A reminder from our government.
Being in a strong union with Scotland, working together, having no trade barriers makes us mighty!
Being in a strong union with the EU, working together, having no trade barriers is undemocratic, why do you hate your country, take back control!

But them furriners talk funny! And have funny names!

Darat · 24th July 2020, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

But them furriners talk funny! And have funny names!

Yeah, Sturgeon definitely a foreign name!

Jack by the hedge · 24th July 2020, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Yeah, Sturgeon definitely a foreign name!

When negotiations seem stuck on fishing rights I think we at least need to consider whether she's an agent for the Fish People. Alec Salmond just put that "d" on the end as a disguise.

The Don · 24th July 2020, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Scott Manley discusses OneWeb:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Oops, it's almost as if they didn't understand that the technology is likely incompatible with their intended usage.

P.J. Denyer · 24th July 2020, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Apparently the U.K. could require foreign states to name their spies operating in the country on a government register
https://trib.al/KmU2lLz

Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag”

This proposed law is being misrepresented so badly I'm starting to think it's deliberate. What's proposed is similar to the US FARA Act (under which General Flynn was recently convicted), our anti-espionage laws date back to the First World War and are overdue a revision, in this case there are two key points I'm aware of, firstly it would mean that MPs, Lords and lobbiests who are receiving legal money from foreign governments or closely associated businesses would have to declare it, so hypothetically if a hypothetical businessman, we'll call him "Baron Hanks" was to record donations to political causes and it should be obvious where it's coming from, and if it isn't there will be stronger grounds on which to investgate. The second is that under the current law we're unusual in that (as I understand it) you have to be convicted of a specific act of spying rather than just being a spy, so if you're an undisclosed recipient of money from a foreign power and have access to sensitive information you're currently relatively safe if you can't be proven to have actually passed any information, under the new law if you have access to such information and receive payments from a foreign power without registering it, that is a crime in itself.

P.J. Denyer · 24th July 2020, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

When negotiations seem stuck on fishing rights I think we at least need to consider whether she's an agent for the Fish People. Alec Salmond just put that "d" on the end as a disguise.

And the Tory's have been infiltrated by James Goldfish! At least he never made Major of London.

I for one welcome our Piscine Overlords.

Jack by the hedge · 24th July 2020, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

And the Tory's have been infiltrated by James Goldfish! At least he never made Major of London.

I for one welcome our Piscine Overlords.

They also have Stephen Crabb, Marcus Fysh and Alistair Jack, while Labour have Luke Pollard. Lib Dems have Christine Jardine which all seems very normal but I begin to suspect she substituted the J for an S.

It's like the invasion of the body snatchers when you start looking for these fish-people.

catsmate · 24th July 2020, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag”

I have a large striped shoulder bag with "swag" on it. It was a show freebie...

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

But them furriners talk funny! And have funny names!

Like Hamish MacGillicuddy? Or Piri Patel?

catsmate · 24th July 2020, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

And the Tory's have been infiltrated by James Goldfish! At least he never made Major of London.

I for one welcome our Piscine Overlords.

Glad to hear it. The Benthic Treaties are up for renewal and the Zygon Question needs to be addressed in a bilateral manner.

Pixel42 · 24th July 2020, 06:44 AM

U.K. Plans Truck Stop by White Cliffs of Dover After Brexit

Quote:

A field inland from the White Cliffs of Dover, a totem of English identity, is one of four sites the U.K. has earmarked for conversion into lorry parks for customs checks after Brexit, according to a person familiar with the plans.

The site next to the White Cliffs Business Park, less than a 10-minute drive from the coast, will have capacity for 1,200 trucks, said the person, who asked not to be identified because the plans aren’t complete.

There'll be trucks all over ...

P.J. Denyer · 24th July 2020, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

U.K. Plans Truck Stop by White Cliffs of Dover After Brexit

There'll be trucks all over ...

How about

"There'll be be be blue clouds (of diesel) over
The white cliffs of Dover"

?

Trebuchet · 24th July 2020, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

U.K. Plans Truck Stop by White Cliffs of Dover After Brexit

There'll be trucks all over ...

I thought you guys called them "lorries"!

P.J. Denyer · 24th July 2020, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

I thought you guys called them "lorries"!

We do (trucks is a more general term that includes smaller goods vehicles) but we still say 'Truck Stop' as well as 'Lorry Park'

22nd July 2020, 01:47 AM	#361
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,252	David Lammy is not happy: https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/stat...339958272?s=20 Quote: Every word of this is the truth... Video embedded in tweet.
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22nd July 2020, 01:56 AM	#362
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,252	And here's a test; which of today's papers have this as front page news? Here's the front pages Those with it as the main headline: Metro, Financial Times, Daily Mail¹, i, The Guardian, Daily Express². Those who have something related: The Times, going with Boris giving M15 new powers to tackle Russian interference. Those who don't mention it at all: Daily Telegraph³, Daily Star, Daily Mirror⁴ Not featured on that page: The Sun (although a quick perusal of the front page of their website sees that story nowhere to be found). ¹Although they appear to be downplaying the government's complicity ²Although their take is to have Boris' denial be the headline and story ³There's a teeny-tiny story down at the bottom of the page ⁴Puzzling, given they're the only left-wing tabloid
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22nd July 2020, 02:29 AM	#364
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	Well, about that US-UK trade deal: "The UK government has abandoned hopes of reaching a trade deal with America ahead of the US presidential election in November, with British officials blaming the Covid-19 pandemic for slow progress." https://www.ft.com/content/383f174e-...3-d2b5f6453fd4
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22nd July 2020, 03:00 AM	#367
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,252	Originally Posted by The Don I certainly agree with him but then again, as a Remoaner, I would. The trouble is that, thanks to the British electorate, the Conservatives have a thumping majority and a clear mandate to implement whatever kind of Brexit they see fit. Given that they seem hell-bent on a no-deal Brexit, with all that entails, then that's what we'll get. Repeated votes to strike down food standards, employment rights and NHS protection in light of demands from the US for their trade deal show the clear direction of travel for the government post-Brexit despite all their manifesto assurances. If only someone had said something at the time, eh?
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22nd July 2020, 03:07 AM	#368
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,493	Originally Posted by The Don I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal. From February 2016 https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a3189151.html Quote: the words of a leading American trade negotiator discussing the slow progress being made on a trade deal between the US and the EU. It was taking time, he said, because the US was having to learn how to deal with an adversary who was an equal. This was in stark contrast with the way the US deals with individual countries. “Normally we just fax them our terms and tell them to sign.”
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22nd July 2020, 02:02 AM	#363
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,360	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim David Lammy is not happy: https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/stat...339958272?s=20 Video embedded in tweet. I certainly agree with him but then again, as a Remoaner, I would. The trouble is that, thanks to the British electorate, the Conservatives have a thumping majority and a clear mandate to implement whatever kind of Brexit they see fit. Given that they seem hell-bent on a no-deal Brexit, with all that entails, then that's what we'll get. Repeated votes to strike down food standards, employment rights and NHS protection in light of demands from the US for their trade deal show the clear direction of travel for the government post-Brexit despite all their manifesto assurances.

22nd July 2020, 02:54 AM	#365
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,360	Originally Posted by Firestone Well, about that US-UK trade deal: "The UK government has abandoned hopes of reaching a trade deal with America ahead of the US presidential election in November, with British officials blaming the Covid-19 pandemic for slow progress." https://www.ft.com/content/383f174e-...3-d2b5f6453fd4 I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal.

22nd July 2020, 03:00 AM	#366
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,884	Originally Posted by The Don I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal. I had assumed something similar. Perhaps briefing the press that they cannot achieve what no sane person imagined they could achieve is not aimed at sane people. It might be managing the expectations of the people who demanded to know in late 2016 "why haven't we left yet".

22nd July 2020, 03:52 AM	#369
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,997	Originally Posted by The Don I didn't even know one was possible. I had assumed something early in 2021 after crashing out with no-deal and by that I mean simply accepting any or all US terms to secure said deal. My understanding is that the UK can negotiate trade deals now, but that these deals can come into force only in 2021. The UK government and the Trump administration had made a lot of noises that a deal would easily be reached by this summer, quod non apparently. Quote: The UK has left the EU. We are now able to negotiate, sign and ratify new trade agreements. These can come into force after 31 December 2020. The UK’s priority is to launch negotiations with the EU, the US, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. The government is continuing its programme of work to reproduce effects of existing EU trade agreements. It is also considering joining the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP). https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...%20and%20Japan.
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22nd July 2020, 09:36 AM	#370
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,493	https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...dling-11390068 Quote: Boris Johnson's dad wants Brexit re-run over 'obvious' Russia meddling
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22nd July 2020, 10:37 AM	#371
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 16,131	Originally Posted by Wudang https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...dling-11390068 Pah, as Grant Shapps pointed out on R4 this morning'- The Government has seen no evidence of Russian meddling. Almost as if he hadn't read the report to work out why that might be.

22nd July 2020, 10:43 AM	#372
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,252	Originally Posted by Lothian Pah, as Grant Shapps pointed out on R4 this morning'- The Government has seen no evidence of Russian meddling. Almost as if he hadn't read the report to work out why that might be. "Ships? I see no ships!"
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22nd July 2020, 04:57 PM	#373
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,912	Top Civil Servant in BEIS warned that the "unusual" purchase of a stake in bankrupt space operator OneWeb - heavily pushed by Dominic Cummings - could end up with taxpayers losing the entire $500m Downing Street pushed ahead with an investment in a bankrupt satellite operator as part of its post-Brexit independent space strategy despite a warning the “unusual” deal could see taxpayers losing the entire $500m with “no wider benefits accrued”. https://www.ft.com/content/d0721bad-...c-b11500f6bb6a

22nd July 2020, 10:24 PM	#374
gypsyjackson Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,090	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Those who don't mention it at all: Daily Telegraph³, Daily Star, Daily Mirror⁴ ⁴Puzzling, given they're the only left-wing tabloid Isn’t the Mirror now part of the Reach group, in with the Express and the Star, these days? So while it still maintains a broadly left-wing editorial line, perhaps it’s been told not to write on this.

23rd July 2020, 12:01 AM	#375
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,360	Originally Posted by gypsyjackson Isn’t the Mirror now part of the Reach group, in with the Express and the Star, these days? So while it still maintains a broadly left-wing editorial line, perhaps it’s been told not to write on this. I'd be surprised, not least because Reach originated from Trinity Mirror. If there was editorial interference then I'd expect it to be the other way, with the Express being asked to be a touch less right wing. I see no evidence of that.

23rd July 2020, 12:04 AM	#376
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,360	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Top Civil Servant in BEIS warned that the "unusual" purchase of a stake in bankrupt space operator OneWeb - heavily pushed by Dominic Cummings - could end up with taxpayers losing the entire $500m Downing Street pushed ahead with an investment in a bankrupt satellite operator as part of its post-Brexit independent space strategy despite a warning the “unusual” deal could see taxpayers losing the entire $500m with “no wider benefits accrued”. https://www.ft.com/content/d0721bad-...c-b11500f6bb6a The bad news is that the deal could see the UK taxpayer losing at least $500m - after all we're likely to plough more money in to pay for some satellites which will never appear or never work properly. The "good" news is that even if the losses run into billions, they'll just be a rounding error in the much broader economic damage brought on by Brexit and by this government's scandalous mishandling of Covid-19.

23rd July 2020, 03:01 AM	#377
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,912	Boris has announced via official written statement (numberHCWS417) that responsibility for the Govt use of data has transferred from the Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport directly to the Cabinet Office. This is to ensure that data is used most effectively by the Govt. That's nice,

23rd July 2020, 03:05 AM	#378
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,067	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Boris has announced via official written statement (numberHCWS417) that responsibility for the Govt use of data has transferred from the Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport directly to the Cabinet Office. This is to ensure that data is used most effectively by the Govt. That's nice, Sounds like they've worked out the problem they are concerned about is the numbers....
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23rd July 2020, 05:43 AM	#379
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,360	Looks like the UK's Brexit negotiators are doing their job - if their job is to ensure a no-deal Brexit. Quote: The UK and EU have said they still remain some way off reaching a post-Brexit trade agreement, following the latest negotiations in London. UK chief negotiator David Frost said there were "considerable gaps" in the most difficult areas, but a deal could still be reached in September. His EU counterpart Michel Barnier said both sides were still "far away" and time was running out for negotiations. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53513612 Obviously both sides will want to put their own spin on how negotiations are going and each side will want to be cagey about what they're willing to negotiate on and how far they're prepared to move but I tend to agree with the EU's assessment: Quote: Speaking after the talks, Mr Barnier said a deal was "at this point unlikely" unless the UK changed its stance over fisheries and post-Brexit rules on competition. He said the UK had not shown a "willingness to break the deadlock" in these areas, and the "time for answers is quickly running out". He told reporters there was a risk of no deal being reached unless the UK changed course on the topics, which were "at the heart" of the EU's trade interests. He added that an agreement would be needed by October "at the latest" so it could be ratified before the current post-Brexit transition period ends in December I thought Boris Johnson said that there was an "oven ready" deal - maybe he was just lying, again. https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...deal-1-6689014

23rd July 2020, 05:44 AM	#380
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,360	Originally Posted by Darat Sounds like they've worked out the problem they are concerned about is the numbers.... Yes, and the numbers following a no-deal Brexit are going to be frightening so much better to keep a lid on things.

23rd July 2020, 07:12 AM	#381
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,252	Originally Posted by The Don I thought Boris Johnson said that there was an "oven ready" deal - maybe he was just lying, again. Oh there was. It was a fantastic deal, remember? Then he realised that it was a terrible deal, after all, and fired the person who said it was a fantastic deal. One checks notes B. Johnson. No relation, I'm sure.
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23rd July 2020, 08:40 AM	#382
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,849	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Boris has announced via official written statement (numberHCWS417) that responsibility for the Govt use of data has transferred from the Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport directly to the Cabinet Office. This is to ensure that data is used most effectively by the Govt. That's nice, As I said in the Covid thread Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer Government by 'making whatever a minister/PM Cummings was caught doing yesterday legal'
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23rd July 2020, 10:29 AM	#383
Garrison Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: UK Posts: 5,531	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Top Civil Servant in BEIS warned that the "unusual" purchase of a stake in bankrupt space operator OneWeb - heavily pushed by Dominic Cummings - could end up with taxpayers losing the entire $500m Downing Street pushed ahead with an investment in a bankrupt satellite operator as part of its post-Brexit independent space strategy despite a warning the “unusual” deal could see taxpayers losing the entire $500m with “no wider benefits accrued”. https://www.ft.com/content/d0721bad-...c-b11500f6bb6a The satellites are made in Florida, the rockets launching them are European/Russian and the main rival to OneWeb is Starlink, which is owned by SpaceX which means their launch costs are a fraction of OneWeb's and their launch cadence is far higher than OneWeb can even dream of. The government basically just 500 million down the drain.
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23rd July 2020, 02:40 PM	#385
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,869	Originally Posted by Garrison The satellites are made in Florida, the rockets launching them are European/Russian and the main rival to OneWeb is Starlink, which is owned by SpaceX which means their launch costs are a fraction of OneWeb's and their launch cadence is far higher than OneWeb can even dream of. The government basically just 500 million down the drain. Also they're useless for satellite navigation.
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23rd July 2020, 04:20 PM	#386
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,912	Apparently the U.K. could require foreign states to name their spies operating in the country on a government register https://trib.al/KmU2lLz Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag”

23rd July 2020, 05:44 PM	#387
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,912	A reminder from our government. Being in a strong union with Scotland, working together, having no trade barriers makes us mighty! Being in a strong union with the EU, working together, having no trade barriers is undemocratic, why do you hate your country, take back control!

23rd July 2020, 08:30 PM	#388
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,059	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop A reminder from our government. Being in a strong union with Scotland, working together, having no trade barriers makes us mighty! Being in a strong union with the EU, working together, having no trade barriers is undemocratic, why do you hate your country, take back control! But them furriners talk funny! And have funny names!
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24th July 2020, 12:44 AM	#389
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,067	Originally Posted by Trebuchet But them furriners talk funny! And have funny names! Yeah, Sturgeon definitely a foreign name!
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24th July 2020, 12:51 AM	#390
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,884	Originally Posted by Darat Yeah, Sturgeon definitely a foreign name! When negotiations seem stuck on fishing rights I think we at least need to consider whether she's an agent for the Fish People. Alec Salmond just put that "d" on the end as a disguise.

24th July 2020, 02:47 AM	#392
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,849	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Apparently the U.K. could require foreign states to name their spies operating in the country on a government register https://trib.al/KmU2lLz Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag” This proposed law is being misrepresented so badly I'm starting to think it's deliberate. What's proposed is similar to the US FARA Act (under which General Flynn was recently convicted), our anti-espionage laws date back to the First World War and are overdue a revision, in this case there are two key points I'm aware of, firstly it would mean that MPs, Lords and lobbiests who are receiving legal money from foreign governments or closely associated businesses would have to declare it, so hypothetically if a hypothetical businessman, we'll call him "Baron Hanks" was to record donations to political causes and it should be obvious where it's coming from, and if it isn't there will be stronger grounds on which to investgate. The second is that under the current law we're unusual in that (as I understand it) you have to be convicted of a specific act of spying rather than just being a spy, so if you're an undisclosed recipient of money from a foreign power and have access to sensitive information you're currently relatively safe if you can't be proven to have actually passed any information, under the new law if you have access to such information and receive payments from a foreign power without registering it, that is a crime in itself.
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24th July 2020, 02:50 AM	#393
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,849	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge When negotiations seem stuck on fishing rights I think we at least need to consider whether she's an agent for the Fish People. Alec Salmond just put that "d" on the end as a disguise. And the Tory's have been infiltrated by James Goldfish! At least he never made Major of London. I for one welcome our Piscine Overlords.
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24th July 2020, 03:53 AM	#394
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,884	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer And the Tory's have been infiltrated by James Goldfish! At least he never made Major of London. I for one welcome our Piscine Overlords. They also have Stephen Crabb, Marcus Fysh and Alistair Jack, while Labour have Luke Pollard. Lib Dems have Christine Jardine which all seems very normal but I begin to suspect she substituted the J for an S. It's like the invasion of the body snatchers when you start looking for these fish-people.

24th July 2020, 05:32 AM	#395
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,869	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Meanwhile Priti Patel says all burglars must wear striped tops and masks carrying a bag marked “swag” I have a large striped shoulder bag with "swag" on it. It was a show freebie... Originally Posted by Trebuchet But them furriners talk funny! And have funny names! Like Hamish MacGillicuddy? Or Piri Patel?
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24th July 2020, 05:37 AM	#396
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23,869	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer And the Tory's have been infiltrated by James Goldfish! At least he never made Major of London. I for one welcome our Piscine Overlords. Glad to hear it. The Benthic Treaties are up for renewal and the Zygon Question needs to be addressed in a bilateral manner.
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24th July 2020, 06:44 AM	#397
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 13,011	U.K. Plans Truck Stop by White Cliffs of Dover After Brexit Quote: A field inland from the White Cliffs of Dover, a totem of English identity, is one of four sites the U.K. has earmarked for conversion into lorry parks for customs checks after Brexit, according to a person familiar with the plans. The site next to the White Cliffs Business Park, less than a 10-minute drive from the coast, will have capacity for 1,200 trucks, said the person, who asked not to be identified because the plans aren’t complete. There'll be trucks all over ...
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