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Old 25th February 2022, 04:22 AM   #81
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You limited it to foreign 'tyrants" like George III and Charles III and asked "what was it intended to do?" I expanded it to include internal rebellions and other internal threats.
Granted.

This leaves open the question of whether non-foreign tyranny should be on the list of internal threats or not.
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Old 25th February 2022, 03:38 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Granted.

This leaves open the question of whether non-foreign tyranny should be on the list of internal threats or not.
Of course it does. When, and if, tyranny actually occurs. Screaming that being told to wear a mask during a killer pandemic does not. Nor does saying large companies' employees must get vaccinated or show proof of a medical reason not to during a pandemic that has killed almost 1 MILLION Americans. Nor was Obama resorting to XO's when the GOP controlled Congress obstructed everything he tried to do. Nor was an amnesty plan for Dreamers. All of which Republicans put forth as examples 'tyranny'.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Granted.

This leaves open the question of whether non-foreign tyranny should be on the list of internal threats or not.
But it is only to protect the state from tyranny. Not the individual from tyranny by the state. Which I think is the question you are trying to get to. But I hesitate to put words in your mouth.
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But it is only to protect the state from tyranny. Not the individual from tyranny by the state. Which I think is the question you are trying to get to.
The question I'm trying to get to at the moment is whether "The concept of resistance to tyranny has always been part of the 2A landscape," as Warp12 said at #12.

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Guns because we have the right to protect ourselves from tyranny.[/i] It's no longer about protecting ourselves from criminals, it's about protecting ourselves from...tyranny? Seriously?
At least one legal scholar has seriously argued that it was originally about collective protection against tyranny rather than individual protection against criminals.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
The question I'm trying to get to at the moment is whether "The concept of resistance to tyranny has always been part of the 2A landscape," as Warp12 said at #12.
I think that's true. But what the 2A really related to was having a 'well-organized militia' to deal with that. I think it does not mean that every Tom, Dick, and Harriet has the right to own assault style weapons. But I'm not going to get into that argument.
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If we could resurrect the Founders, one must wonder: What would they make of today's gun-strokers shrieking about the 2A, the proliferation of guns, the 30,000+ deaths by gunfire annually (a million in a generation), and the phenomenon of mass shootings. I imagine they would recoil at the insanity.

I posit that the American mind has been rendered mad through a convenient misinterpretation of one poorly worded sentence.
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
If we could resurrect the Founders, one must wonder: What would they make of today's gun-strokers shrieking about the 2A, the proliferation of guns, the 30,000+ deaths by gunfire annually (a million in a generation), and the phenomenon of mass shootings. I imagine they would recoil at the insanity.

I posit that the American mind has been rendered mad through a convenient misinterpretation of one poorly worded sentence.
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If we could resurrect the Founders, one must wonder: What would they make of today's gun-strokers shrieking about the 2A, the proliferation of guns, the 30,000+ deaths by gunfire annually (a million in a generation), and the phenomenon of mass shootings. I imagine they would recoil at the insanity.

I posit that the American mind has been rendered mad through a convenient misinterpretation of one poorly worded sentence.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
The question I'm trying to get to at the moment is whether "The concept of resistance to tyranny has always been part of the 2A landscape," as Warp12 said at #12.

At least one legal scholar has seriously argued that it was originally about collective protection against tyranny rather than individual protection against criminals.
I would seriously question the scholarship of anyone who says it is about personal safety or personal protection from criminals. There is no historical basis for that view. It is entirely modern.

If you read the text without an nra propaganda it is talking about the people having a responsibility to maintain the security of the state. Once we decided to have a standing army we really should have dropped this, too.
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Old 26th February 2022, 12:00 AM   #92
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I would seriously question the scholarship of anyone who says it is about personal safety or personal protection from criminals. There is no historical basis for that view. It is entirely modern.

If you read the text without an nra propaganda it is talking about the people having a responsibility to maintain the security of the state. Once we decided to have a standing army we really should have dropped this, too.
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Native Americans,
Oh yep when you're colonizing inhabited lands, it's handy to be armed just in case they object for some reason.
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Comedian Blaire Erksine parodies Kandiss Taylor's campaign ad. Taylor is so stupid she thought Erskine was a real supporter and included Erskine's parody in her media campaign. FF to 2:55 for the parody.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I would seriously question the scholarship of anyone who says it is about personal safety or personal protection from criminals. There is no historical basis for that view. It is entirely modern.

If you read the text without an nra propaganda it is talking about the people having a responsibility to maintain the security of the state. Once we decided to have a standing army we really should have dropped this, too.
Succinct and accurate. Well done.
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Old 26th February 2022, 01:50 PM   #96
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I would seriously question the scholarship of anyone who says it is about personal safety or personal protection from criminals. There is no historical basis for that view. It is entirely modern.
That's basically what the article I linked says, among other things.

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If you read the text without an nra propaganda it is talking about the people having a responsibility to maintain the security of the state.
How is this different from Ms. Taylor's interpretation?

https://twitter.com/KandissTaylor/st...62597258199041
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
That's basically what the article I linked says, among other things.

How is this different from Ms. Taylor's interpretation?

https://twitter.com/KandissTaylor/st...62597258199041
I think the difference comes in what one considers 'tyranny'. I highly suspect she considers mask mandates 'tyranny'.

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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
That's basically what the article I linked says, among other things.

How is this different from Ms. Taylor's interpretation?

https://twitter.com/KandissTaylor/st...62597258199041
We have a standing army. Something the founders never imagined. The army makes the militia of the 2A redundant. Unnecessary. Frivolous.

I’m assuming she disagrees, which is why you edited my post.

Eta: she talks about protecting “ourselves” while the 2A talks about protecting “the State”. You do see the difference, right?
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It's gotten to the point where a lot of these right-wingers think anything they disagree with is "tyranny"...especially if it comes from the left.
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I think some people have no better understanding than to think of it as a game. They think calling something by the right term automatically qualifies it for universal opposition. They think it's the label, not the tyranny itself, that makes a tyrant hated.
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The army makes the militia of the 2A redundant. Unnecessary. Frivolous.
My brother-in-law was sent to Iraq back when the 45th infantry was deployed there. Does it make sense to say that reservists like him were part of a standing army rather than a well-regulated citizen militia?

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...she talks about protecting “ourselves” while the 2A talks about protecting “the State”.
The "free state" isn't made of infrastructure and documents, it is made of citizens.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
My brother-in-law was sent to Iraq back when the 45th infantry was deployed there. Does it make sense to say that reservists like him were part of a standing army rather than a well-regulated citizen militia?
Reservists are part of a well-regulated militia not a 'standing army' unless activated.

The "free state" isn't made of infrastructure and documents, it is made of citizens.[/quote]

That sounds almost impressive but really isn't.
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My brother-in-law was sent to Iraq back when the 45th infantry was deployed there. Does it make sense to say that reservists like him were part of a standing army rather than a well-regulated citizen militia?
Reservist = militia. No problem.

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The "free state" isn't made of infrastructure and documents, it is made of citizens.
Ukrainian are fighting for their state. Retired cops shooting people in theaters are protecting themselves.
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Ukrainian are fighting for their state.
I don't think it's particularly difficult to find examples of the citizen militia protecting state functions much closer to home.

https://twitter.com/nbcwashington/st...85456578240513
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
I don't think it's particularly difficult to find examples of the citizen militia protecting state functions much closer to home.

https://twitter.com/nbcwashington/st...85456578240513
The National Guard is a 'well organized militia' under the command of the State.

I can't think of a single private 'citizen' group that calls itself a 'militia' that isn't a right-wing bunch of white supremacist nationalists and/or antigovernment extremists like the Oath Keepers and the 3 Percenters.
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I don't think it's particularly difficult to find examples of the citizen militia protecting state functions much closer to home.

https://twitter.com/nbcwashington/st...85456578240513
Your point?
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Comedian Blaire Erksine parodies Kandiss Taylor's campaign ad. Taylor is so stupid she thought Erskine was a real supporter and included Erskine's parody in her media campaign. FF to 2:55 for the parody.

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If we could resurrect the Founders, one must wonder: What would they make of today's gun-strokers shrieking about the 2A, the proliferation of guns, the 30,000+ deaths by gunfire annually (a million in a generation), and the phenomenon of mass shootings. I imagine they would recoil at the insanity.

I posit that the American mind has been rendered mad through a convenient misinterpretation of one poorly worded sentence.
I think they might say, “It’s a good thing we included a straightforward provision to repeal or modify any Amendment, or add new Amendments, in order to keep up with changing societal norms.” The problem right now is that “the people”, through their representatives, don’t support repealing or modifying the Second Amendment in sufficient numbers to make it happen. A single word change from “the right of the people…” to “the right of the militia…” would do it. I just don’t see it happening any time soon.
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Folks, it only gets worse.





Guns because we have the right to protect ourselves from tyranny.
It's no longer about protecting ourselves from criminals, it's about protecting ourselves from...tyranny? Seriously?



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I would seriously question the scholarship of anyone who says it is about personal safety or personal protection from criminals. There is no historical basis for that view. It is entirely modern.

If you read the text without an nra propaganda it is talking about the people having a responsibility to maintain the security of the state. Once we decided to have a standing army we really should have dropped this, too.
Yea. It would have been nice if they included a statement that a change to the need of the first clause would modify the actual rule in the second clause.
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Yea. It would have been nice if they included a statement that a change to the need of the first clause would modify the actual rule in the second clause.
Maybe they thought it was so obvious that they didn't need to.
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Maybe they thought it was so obvious that they didn't need to.
Why would that be obvious? The reason for the rule does not modify the rule.

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No matter how detrimental the line is to high scoring....it remains 23 foot 9 inches
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Maybe they thought it was so obvious that they didn't need to.
Indeed.

The authors of the amendment would've been aware of verba cum effectu accipienda sunt as a canon of constitutional construction.
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What would the Founders say? Probably: "We really had too much faith in "the people" having some common sense."
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Old 4th June 2022, 11:27 AM   #117
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Indeed.

The authors of the amendment would've been aware of verba cum effectu sunt accipienda as a canon of constitutional construction.
There is no given reason to apply that to the constitution.It isn't given intent of the author's doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
There is no given reason to apply that to the constitution.
We're simply going to have to disagree on whether the traditional canons of constitutional construction should be applied when interpreting the constitution.
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What would the Founders say? Probably: "We really had too much faith in "the people" having some common sense."
IIRC they had no faith in "the people" having common sense.
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IIRC they had no faith in "the people" having common sense.
In fact, I wonder if what they'd say is "See, this is what happens when you give the vote to people who aren't wealthy, white male, landowners".
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