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Old 16th June 2022, 06:34 AM   #1
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Who is Mister X?

This is just for fun but who do you think Mr. X, the person who told the BLM movement to stay home drink Beer and Make Babies on the Sixth actually is?

Sean Hannity,
Bill Barr,
Mike Pence,
Tucker Carlson,

Who else would have know the Insurrection plan?
Why did he only tell BLM, and Antifa?
What were his motives?

Your thoughts please?
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Old 16th June 2022, 07:28 AM   #2
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Old 16th June 2022, 07:59 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
This is just for fun but who do you think Mr. X, the person who told the BLM movement to stay home drink Beer and Make Babies on the Sixth actually is?

Sean Hannity,
Bill Barr,
Mike Pence,
Tucker Carlson,

Who else would have know the Insurrection plan?
Why did he only tell BLM, and Antifa?
What were his motives?

Your thoughts please?

I don't know.

But I keep seeing you say that "Antifa and BLM were warned". Well, BLM doesn't really have an official command structure, and neither does Antifa, as far as I can tell. Isn't Antifa supposedly "Just an idea" anyway? Or does that label only apply when the right accuses them of wrongdoing?
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Old 16th June 2022, 08:19 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I don't know.

But, I keep seeing you say that "Antifa and BLM were warned". Well, BLM doesn't really have an official command structure, and neither does Antifa, as far as I can tell. Isn't Antifa supposedly "Just an idea" anyway? Or does that label only apply when the right accuses them of wrongdoing?
The BLM Group and Breanna Taylor protest in Louisville was organized on Facebook, in the George Floyd Brianna Taylor private Group, where Mr.X posted under his profile Name, which could have been fake, or actually his real name, hard to tell which.
He could have been Donald John Trump backstabbing the Proud Boys for all I know, all I saw were his posts.
He posted between 5 to ten seconds after Trump's December 19 Tweet.
Basicly telling BLM to win the day, by Staying home Drinking Beer and making Babies.

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I haven't been following this story. How did we find out about this post to a private FB group?
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Old 16th June 2022, 12:22 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I haven't been following this story. How did we find out about this post to a private FB group?
I happen to be a Member of the Group who was looking in to see on the 19th if BLM was going to do a counter Protest on the 6th of January 2021.
Buy when I looked in Mr.X was Telling People to stay home, win the War by Drinking Beer and having Babies, don't give Trump a Riot on the Sixth, where he can Invoke the Insurrection act.
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All that makes sense now. I think someone who might normally put messages out to "show up" would have put messages out, "not this time, it's a trigger for the Drumpf cult".
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
I happen to be a Member of the Group who was looking in to see on the 19th if BLM was going to do a counter Protest on the 6th of January 2021.
Buy when I looked in Mr.X was Telling People to stay home, win the War by Drinking Beer and having Babies, don't give Trump a Riot on the Sixth, where he can Invoke the Insurrection act.
Wait, so you're asking people who aren't members of this private group, who they think a member of the private group could be? Wouldn't the other members of the group have a better idea of who this person is? Wouldn't the admins of the group perhaps even have some actual docs about this person?
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It was me.
I bloody knew it!
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It was me.
I was betting on Sean Hannity, Imagine if Sean Hannity prevented the second Civil War and No one found out it was him.
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Why does it have to be a hidden hand? It's a bit of a blinding flash of the obvious that showing up to counter protest was going to be a horrible idea. It's not like anyone needed the smoking man or deep throat to secretly plant the idea of not giving Trump the excuse to use the insurrection act. I know it's rare, but sometimes common sense just wins on its own.
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Why does it have to be a hidden hand? It's a bit of a blinding flash of the obvious that showing up to counter protest was going to be a horrible idea. It's not like anyone needed the smoking man or deep throat to secretly plant the idea of not giving Trump the excuse to use the insurrection act. I know it's rare, but sometimes common sense just wins on its own.
Before Mr.X posted 150 people signed up to counter protest from that Group, in Washington DC. After he posted everyone had decided to stay home Drink Beer and Make Babies. Sometimes Emotions and hate crowd out good sense, I think there were a lot of Mr.X's and Miss X's Trying to convince people that day to do the Smart thing.
However a lot of young people weren't thinking Rationally rather emotionally, and wanted to take the Pride out of some Proud Boys.
It was kinda like Herding cats to keep them from going.
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Why does it have to be a hidden hand? It's a bit of a blinding flash of the obvious that showing up to counter protest was going to be a horrible idea. It's not like anyone needed the smoking man or deep throat to secretly plant the idea of not giving Trump the excuse to use the insurrection act. I know it's rare, but sometimes common sense just wins on its own.
It also helped that MR.X shared this Politico Article with the Black Lives Matter Group.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...sidency-447986
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If my memory serves one of the stories out of the Trump camp in the minutes and hours after the capital was stormed was that Antifa and BLM were behind the insurrection. It seems like the stories stopped after it became clear from the videos at the scene showed no Antifa/BLM presence.

At the time I figured the blame-on-Antifa/BLM thing was just their standard line which they had used many times before.

It was only later that I heard the theory that they were going to be the excuse Trump would use to employ the Insurrection Act.

So my questions are?

Do we know Trump planned to use the Insurrection Act to establish martial law?

If so, who on Team Crazy got smart enough to realize that there was no Antifa or BLM folks there?


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If my memory serves one of the stories out of the Trump camp in the minutes and hours after the capital was stormed was that Antifa and BLM were behind the insurrection. It seems like the stories stopped after it became clear from the videos at the scene showed no Antifa/BLM presence.

At the time I figured the blame-on-Antifa/BLM thing was just their standard line which they had used many times before.

It was only later that I heard the theory that they were going to be the excuse Trump would use to employ the Insurrection Act.

So my questions are?

Do we know Trump planned to use the Insurrection Act to establish martial law?

If so, who on Team Crazy got smart enough to realize that there was no Antifa or BLM folks there?


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Once your willing to Murder the United States democracy nothing else is off limits, Invoking the Insurrection act was probably the Plan B.
Once Trump's People figured out, BLM didn't show up for the party, there was no way he could get Military support for invoking the Insurrection act, which would have been critical to Marshal Law succeeding.
This Insurrection wasn't planned over night like they want you to believe it was decades in the making.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post

Once your willing to Murder the United States democracy nothing else is off limits, Invoking the Insurrection act was probably the Plan B.
Once Trump's People figured out, BLM didn't show up for the party, there was no way he could get Military support for invoking the Insurrection act, which would have been critical to Marshal Law succeeding.
This Insurrection wasn't planned over night like they want you to believe it was decades in the making.
It was right out of the Reichstag fire page of Hitler's playbook.

I am a little surprised that they weren't stupid enough to go ahead and blame it on Antifa/BLM anyway and call out the troops.

It could have been that they knew exactly who in the military chain of command would refuse? Could that be Mister X?

The idea being that Team Crazy runs the plan by the Army brass not realizing they were showing their hand to people with more ethics than them. One of the generals stands up and says "hell no!". Before Team Crazy figures out how to do an end run around this general, he or one other of the generals calls Antifa/BLM.

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Originally Posted by arayder View Post
It was right out of the Reichstag fire page of Hitler's playbook.

I am a little surprised that they weren't stupid enough to go ahead and blame it on Antifa/BLM anyway and call out the troops.

It could have been that they knew exactly who in the military chain of command would refuse? Could that be Mister X?

The idea being that Team Crazy runs the plan by the Army brass not realizing they were showing their hand to people with more ethics than them. One of the generals stands up and says "hell no!". Before Team Crazy figures out how to do an end run around this general, he or one other of the generals calls Antifa/BLM.

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Dope Clock II: It's been 368 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
They had a general say no to intervention in the Insurrection they were planning before the 6th, so use of the Millitary was out of the question unless Trump could Legitimatly declare the Insurrection act.
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They had a general say no to intervention in the Insurrection they were planning before the 6th, so use of the Millitary was out of the question unless Trump could Legitimatly declare the Insurrection act.
Along the way Trump seems to have run up against just enough people with integrity and guts that he wasn't able to pull it off. . .this time

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Originally Posted by arayder View Post
Along the way Trump seems to have run up against just enough people with integrity and guts that he wasn't able to pull it off. . .this time

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Dope Clock II: It's been 368 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
Now all we have to worry about is the next time.
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Originally Posted by arayder View Post
It was right out of the Reichstag fire page of Hitler's playbook.

I am a little surprised that they weren't stupid enough to go ahead and blame it on Antifa/BLM anyway and call out the troops.

It could have been that they knew exactly who in the military chain of command would refuse? Could that be Mister X?

The idea being that Team Crazy runs the plan by the Army brass not realizing they were showing their hand to people with more ethics than them. One of the generals stands up and says "hell no!". Before Team Crazy figures out how to do an end run around this general, he or one other of the generals calls Antifa/BLM.

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But if they had called out the troops, who would the troops have run into? The only way for Team Crazy to make such an allegation work would be to lie about who was there later. The last thing they'd want to do would be actually to stop the real insurrection.
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But if they had called out the troops, who would the troops have run into? The only way for Team Crazy to make such an allegation work would be to lie about who was there later. The last thing they'd want to do would be actually to stop the real insurrection.
Exactly no Antifa or BLM no Insurrection, Mr. X isn't a Genius, the Insurrectionists are Just Really Stupid.
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This is an interesting and plausible scenario, but I don't think I buy it. Because in the end, Trump et al got the insurrection they wanted. Sure, it was their own supporters storming the Capitol, but so what? It would still give them an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act, at least according to my (admittedly limited) understanding of it. And I have zero doubt that they wouldn't hesitate to throw their own people under the bus, it if allowed them to stay in power a single minute longer.
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This is an interesting and plausible scenario, but I don't think I buy it. Because in the end, Trump et al got the insurrection they wanted. Sure, it was their own supporters storming the Capitol, but so what? It would still give them an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act, at least according to my (admittedly limited) understanding of it. And I have zero doubt that they wouldn't hesitate to throw their own people under the bus, it if allowed them to stay in power a single minute longer.
Yes Trump invokes an Insurrection act and Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell, and Mike Pence call general Milley and Trump is removed by the 25th Amendment and taken away in hand Cuffs. Great Idea.
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Yes Trump invokes an Insurrection act and Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell, and Mike Pence call general Milley and Trump is removed by the 25th Amendment and taken away in hand Cuffs. Great Idea.
Why would it play out that way? There was in fact an insurrection, and Trump et al have maintained vociferously all along they had nothing to do with it and had no control over the insurrectionists. So why would Trump be liable for anything, when he could claim he was just protecting the country and its institutions from a very credible threat? Again, whether or not Antifa or anyone else was there, an insurrection did indeed take place, and if the Insurrection Act was the ultimate goal, that was sufficient excuse to invoke it.
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Why would it play out that way? There was in fact an insurrection, and Trump et al have maintained vociferously all along they had nothing to do with it and had no control over the insurrectionists. So why would Trump be liable for anything, when he could claim he was just protecting the country and its institutions from a very credible threat? Again, whether or not Antifa or anyone else was there, an insurrection did indeed take place, and if the Insurrection Act was the ultimate goal, that was sufficient excuse to invoke it.
Trump told them to March too the Capitol.
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Trump told them to March too the Capitol.
He didn't tell them to overthrow the government when they got there. In any case, my point remains the same: he got his desired insurrection, whether or not Antifa or anyone else was there to counterbalance its political makeup.
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Why would it play out that way? There was in fact an insurrection, and Trump et al have maintained vociferously all along they had nothing to do with it and had no control over the insurrectionists. So why would Trump be liable for anything, when he could claim he was just protecting the country and its institutions from a very credible threat? Again, whether or not Antifa or anyone else was there, an insurrection did indeed take place, and if the Insurrection Act was the ultimate goal, that was sufficient excuse to invoke it.
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He didn't tell them to overthrow the government when they got there. In any case, my point remains the same: he got his desired insurrection, whether or not Antifa or anyone else was there to counterbalance its political makeup.
He got an Insurrection that couldn't be used as a political excuse for him to remain in power, that's the key point he got an insurrection that his political allies couldn't back.
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Originally Posted by Stellafane View Post
He didn't tell them to overthrow the government when they got there. In any case, my point remains the same: he got his desired insurrection, whether or not Antifa or anyone else was there to counterbalance its political makeup.
But I would have thought that if the only insurrectionists who were stopped were the pro-trump right wingers, it would pretty much put paid to the insurrection, and guarantee the transition of power that was sure to happen without it. I suppose it would look good on the ex president's resumé to have quelled an insurrection, but it wouldn't win him the election.
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But I would have thought that if the only insurrectionists who were stopped were the pro-trump right wingers, it would pretty much put paid to the insurrection, and guarantee the transition of power that was sure to happen without it. I suppose it would look good on the ex president's resumé to have quelled an insurrection, but it wouldn't win him the election.
Exactly why I call January 6th the Idiot Insurrection, it was defeated by people told to stay home drink Beer, and Have Babies. Many Proud Boys will not be drinking Beer, or making any babies for a long time.
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This is an interesting and plausible scenario, but I don't think I buy it. Because in the end, Trump et al got the insurrection they wanted. Sure, it was their own supporters storming the Capitol, but so what? It would still give them an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act, at least according to my (admittedly limited) understanding of it. And I have zero doubt that they wouldn't hesitate to throw their own people under the bus, it if allowed them to stay in power a single minute longer.
One could conclude Drumpf was hopeful the mob would stop the certification Pence would not stop. But hours later the reinforcements arrived and it became clear the certification was not going to stop. He must have heard from someone (lots of cult followers in the legislature) that Pelosi was going to resume the procedure. He seemed defeated when he finally told all those 'beautiful loving people' to go home. No way to invoke the Insurrection Act or martial law at that point.
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Old 17th June 2022, 12:18 PM   #34
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Of course it's possibly a mistake to try to analyze this whole thing with any kind of intelligence. To dismiss an idea as too stupid and unlikely to fly might not mean it wasn't at the top of some pumpkin-head's agenda.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
This is just for fun but who do you think Mr. X, the person who told the BLM movement to stay home drink Beer and Make Babies on the Sixth actually is?

Sean Hannity,
Bill Barr,
Mike Pence,
Tucker Carlson,

Who else would have know the Insurrection plan?
Why did he only tell BLM, and Antifa?
What were his motives?

Your thoughts please?
I Literally have no idea what you are talking about. Is there some evidence or news story about someone telling the BLM movement to stay home? Is this something from the Jan 6 hearings?
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Old 17th June 2022, 12:26 PM   #36
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Of course it's possibly a mistake to try to analyze this whole thing with any kind of intelligence. To dismiss an idea as too stupid and unlikely to fly might not mean it wasn't at the top of some pumpkin-head's agenda.
Yep but think of this, the Idiot Insurrection might be the only Insurrection in the history of the world Defeated By Beer and Sex.
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Old 17th June 2022, 12:28 PM   #37
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I Literally have no idea what you are talking about. Is there some evidence or news story about someone telling the BLM movement to stay home? Is this something from the Jan 6 hearings?
The J6 committee has the Facebook pages they Supenaed every post that mentioned the Insurrection Act.
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Old 17th June 2022, 12:40 PM   #38
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Maybe it was Jerome Corsi.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Maybe it was Jerome Corsi.
Well he is a back Stabber, but Corsi Beer and Sex just doesn't sound Right, and Mr.X didn't lie, impossible for Corsi to Write 3 words without Lying.
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I Literally have no idea what you are talking about. Is there some evidence or news story about someone telling the BLM movement to stay home? Is this something from the Jan 6 hearings?
The relevant FB group CChainsaw is in shared the stay home message.
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