The Electric Comet Theory /SAFIRE Part V

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf

Sol88's insanely admits that he knows nothing as if that were a surprise given his insane support of a demented cult over more than 10 years juts in this thread !
Or maybe his usual insane insults of everyone.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of citing textbook physics and then blatantly lying about it. Sol88's persistent insane denial of the properties of plasma.

Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington

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Around 1920, he anticipated the discovery and mechanism of nuclear fusion processes in stars, in his paper "The Internal Constitution of the Stars".[3][4] At that time, the source of stellar energy was a complete mystery; Eddington was the first to correctly speculate that the source was fusion of hydrogen into helium.
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Eddington also investigated the interior of stars through theory, and developed the first true understanding of stellar processes. He began this in 1916 with investigations of possible physical explanations for Cepheid variable stars. He began by extending Karl Schwarzschild's earlier work on radiation pressure in Emden polytropic models. These models treated a star as a sphere of gas held up against gravity by internal thermal pressure, and one of Eddington's chief additions was to show that radiation pressure was necessary to prevent collapse of the sphere. He developed his model despite knowingly lacking firm foundations for understanding opacity and energy generation in the stellar interior. However, his results allowed for calculation of temperature, density and pressure at all points inside a star (thermodynamic anisotropy), and Eddington argued that his theory was so useful for further astrophysical investigation that it should be retained despite not being based on completely accepted physics. James Jeans contributed the important suggestion that stellar matter would certainly be ionized, but that was the end of any collaboration between the pair, who became famous for their lively debates.

Eddington defended his method by pointing to the utility of his results, particularly his important mass-luminosity relation. This had the unexpected result of showing that virtually all stars, including giants and dwarfs, behaved as ideal gases. In the process of developing his stellar models, he sought to overturn current thinking about the sources of stellar energy. Jeans and others defended the Kelvin–Helmholtz mechanism, which was based on classical mechanics, while Eddington speculated broadly about the qualitative and quantitative consequences of possible proton-electron annihilation and nuclear fusion processes.

My emphasis added to show Sol88's usual insanity of lying about textbook physics !
The logic is simple - if you treat stars as an ideal gas and get results that match real stars then treating stars as an ideal gas is valid. Today we have the additional match to real stars of the treatment giving the core conditions that has to produce fusion matching the fusion that we detect.


N.B. The properties of plasma were possibly established after Eddington wrote his 1920 book.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

But on a serious note link


Should of treated as a ball of plasma instead...


But as long as the kiddies understand about hot gas.

I don’t think the SAFIRE team have much to say on 1920 models, not with new experiments and data

Lol. They are as competent at plasma physics as you are at English grammar! 'Should of'? I mean, seriously? Get an education you wazzock. 'Should have'. 'Should've'. Either will do. However, a well educated 12 year old knows that 'should of' is just a sign of somebody who has never had a proper education. Learn English. Learn science. When you have done that - get back to us. Otherwise............

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...I don’t think the SAFIRE team have much to say on 1920 models, not with new experiments and data

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

The SAFIRE team do not have much to say because they are insanely ignorant of or in demented denial of a century of stellar physics !

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

At last!
On the down side, Sol's plasma sheath only exists around the MIP! Lol.

EDIT:
Wow! Been waiting for this one.........

Quincuncial adaptive closed Kohonen (QuACK) map for the irregularly shaped comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

.........I think. I'll know when I translate the title into something I can understand!

I've had a chance now, to have a quick squiz at some of the new papers.

Looks like i jumped the gun.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Lol. They are as competent at plasma physics as you are at English grammar! 'Should of'? I mean, seriously? Get an education you wazzock. 'Should have'. 'Should've'. Either will do. However, a well educated 12 year old knows that 'should of' is just a sign of somebody who has never had a proper education. Learn English. Learn science. When you have done that - get back to us. Otherwise............

Talking about competent at plasma physics,

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However, a large discrepancy was observed between simulations and experimental data after the first measurements had been acquired around comet 67P/Churuymov-Gerasimenko (hereafter 67P). In particular, the Debye length was observed to be much larger, from a few tens of centimeters to a few meters. Thus, the first modification of the simulation was to extend the Debye length toward higher values. Then, a second Maxwellian electron population was introduced in the plasma because suprathermal electrons have been commonly observed in space plasmas, superposed on a Maxwellian-like core (Pilipp et al. 1987; Pierrard & Lazar 2010). These modifications failed to bring the simulated results closer to experimental data (Béghin et al. 2005; Gilet et al. 2017). Finally, it was suspected that the problem came from the ion sheath between the probe and the plasma, which is caused by the mobility difference between electrons and positive ions in the cometary plasma; this had been neglected in the modeling.

Neglected?

Seems like mainstream plasma physics is slowly coming round.

Have they modeled the diamagnetic cavity as a vacuum sheath?

Any how we have charge separation and associated electric fields happening everywhere on 67P.

Confirmed by J. Lindkvist et al

Energy conversion in cometary atmospheres
Hybrid modeling of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko

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This leads us to speculate that the acceleration of cometary
heavy ions can be both a local process with direct transfer of
energy, and a dynamo system with generators and loads, depending
on the solar activity conditions. For a comet approaching the
Sun, acceleration of cometary ions is dominated by local transfer
close to the nucleus, which first evolves into a dynamo system,
and finally evolves into a large region with a local transfer of
energy.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

I've had a chance now, to have a quick squiz at some of the new papers.

Looks like i jumped the gun.

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

The usual insanity that any mainstream ices and dust paper will support his demented cult's insane electric comet dogma. Plus a fantasy that someone who cannot understand simple physics (the properties of plasma) will understand more complex physics in astronomy papers.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Talking about competent at plasma physics, ...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual irrelevant insanity about mainstream physics.

• Usual stupidity of an uncited quote.
• Insane highlighting in that quote, especially of Debye lengths "to a few meters" when his impossible double layer delusion is DL's on scales of many kilometers.
• Usual insanity about "charge separation" when plasma has separated charges.
• Usual insanity of mainstream astronomy "coming around" to his cult's insanely deluded dogma of electric comets.
  Mainstream has been using actual physics to model real comets for many decades. That includes sublimating gases forming plasma with its charges, electric and magnetic fields and interacting with the solar wind (more charges, electric and magnetic fields !).

[Sol88]

Long-term monitoring of the outgassing and composition of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko with the Rosetta/MIRO instrument

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There is no significant evidence for a distributed source of water, such as sublimating icy grains, within 20 km from nucleus center. By comparing MIRO measurements to remote observations performed with the Odin telescope, we conclude that the discrepancy of a factor of 2.5 between the water production rates of MIRO and ROSINA cannot be explained by this process. The contribution of a distributed source of water is at most 50% of the production rate measured by MIRO.

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One central question in cometary science is the degree to which molecular abundances in cometary atmospheres are representative of the internal composition of the nucleus.

So Martin Pätzold et al might just be correct in confirming Michael F. A’Hearn's assertion

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although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock,

The Nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko – Part I: The global view – nucleus mass, mass-loss, porosity, and implications

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and, not so unrealistically, the nucleus would be a highly porous stony agglomerate, essentially devoid of
volitiles.
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[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Reality Check

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual irrelevant insanity about mainstream physics.

• Insane highlighting of Debye length when his impossible double layer insanity is DL's on scales of many kilometers.
• Usual insanity about "charge separation" when plasma has separated charges.
• Usual insanity of mainstream astronomy "coming around" to his cult's insanely deluded dogma of electric comets.
  Mainstream has been using actual physics to model real comets for many decades. That includes sublimating gases forming plasma with its charges, electric and magnetic fields and interacting with the solar wind (more charges, electric and magnetic fields !).

from the paper

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The probe was modeled as a mesh immersed in a Maxwellian plasma, and the Debye length spanned from several millimeters up to a few centimeters. These conditions correspond to what was expected by way of a surrounding around comet 46P/Wirtanen, the original destination of the European Space Agency’s Rosetta spacecraft. However, a large discrepancy was observed between simulations and experimental data after the first measurements had been acquired around comet 67P/Churuymov-Gerasimenko (hereafter 67P). In particular, the Debye length was observed to be much larger, from a few tens of centimeters to a few meters.

RPC-MIP observations at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko explained by a model including a sheath and two populations of electrons

What Debye length are you using Reality check?

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies about mainstream papers and insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

from the paper...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Fixes his stupidity of not citing the paper but we get Sol88''s stupidity of an idiotic question to derail from his insanity of citing a debunking of his double layer delusion.

Sol88 has a personal delusion (seems not to be a delusion from his demented cult) that there are double layers extending over many kilometers at comets. I pointed out that the Debye length of inter-planetary plasmas says that is not possible. A plasma physicist studying comets (tusenfem) says this is physically impossible because comet coma are turbulent.

RPC-MIP observations at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko explained by a model including a sheath and two populations of electrons

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In particular, the Debye length was observed to be much larger, from a few tens of centimeters to a few meters

Confirms that the Debye length is not big enough for DL's over many kilometers.

For others:
The Debye length page I have cited many times gives 10 meters for the solar wind. So I wrote I assumed that the Debye length of comet coma were about that. Which is orders of magnitude too small for many kilometers scale double layers, e.g. The thickness of a double layer is of the order of ten Debye lengths. Looks like I accidentally got roughly the right number for 67P!

[Lukraak_Sisser]

I find it amazing how once every few weeks Sol88 returns to discuss pointless minutiae of a model which at its very core predicts the opposite of what we observe in nature.

Or have you solved the problem of the fact that the solar wind blowing through the ENTIRE solar system behaves as if there are no intersolar electric fields?
After all, said fields are needed for all the EU nonsense and thus until you explain that, everything else that needs EU is built upon nothing at all.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

I find it amazing how once every few weeks Sol88 returns to discuss pointless minutiae of a model which at its very core predicts the opposite of what we observe in nature.

Or have you solved the problem of the fact that the solar wind blowing through the ENTIRE solar system behaves as if there are no intersolar electric fields?
After all, said fields are needed for all the EU nonsense and thus until you explain that, everything else that needs EU is built upon nothing at all.

You do understand there is charge separation and electric fields in space plasma's?

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Long-term monitoring of the outgassing and composition of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko with the Rosetta/MIRO instrument





So Martin Pätzold et al might just be correct in confirming Michael F. A’Hearn's assertion

The Nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko – Part I: The global view – nucleus mass, mass-loss, porosity, and implications

Nope. You are talking rubbish again. Water and other gases are detected. Their detection debunks your woo. End of story. Need me to remind you where you are supposed to be getting the gas from? You have no explanation.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

You do understand there is charge separation and electric fields in space plasma's?

A complete irrelevance to your 100% failed woo.

[jonesdave116]

Quote:

Have they modeled the diamagnetic cavity as a vacuum sheath?

Lol. Gibberish.

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Originally Posted by Sol88

You do understand there is charge separation and electric fields in space plasma's?

I do, do you understand that in an electric field positive and negative charges move in opposite directions?
And that the positive and negative charges found in the solar wind do not do so?

So the electric fields your fantasy needs are not actually observed in any way whatsoever, and that therefore your entire fantasy does not even start to describe nature in any way or form?

Your focus on minutiae is akin to someone obsessing over minor rules changes in quidditch, while willfully ignoring the fact that magic does not exist.

[tusenfem]

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

I do, do you understand that in an electric field positive and negative charges move in opposite directions?
And that the positive and negative charges found in the solar wind do not do so?

So the electric fields your fantasy needs are not actually observed in any way whatsoever, and that therefore your entire fantasy does not even start to describe nature in any way or form?

Your focus on minutiae is akin to someone obsessing over minor rules changes in quidditch, while willfully ignoring the fact that magic does not exist.

but you do not understand EU electric fields, which are magical, especially when they are in a double layer

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

You do understand there is charge separation and electric fields in space plasma's?

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol8's usual insanity that just the words "charge separation and electric fields" support his demented cult's electric comet dogma. An insane idea (comets are rock blasted from rocky planets by electrical discharges between planets including recently, etc.) is insane no matter what stupid word salad is spewed out by the cult prophets or blindly parroted by followers.

[Sol88]

Geez, ya take off for a week fishing and more confirmation of charge and electric fields...

Researchers discover how water is regenerated on asteroids

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Scientists have discovered how water molecules can be regenerated on asteroids moving through space, in an exciting breakthrough that could extend to other bodies such as the moon.

and comets!!!

as proposed by Dr. Franklin Anariba

Comets as Water Factories | Space New

Quote:

n a recent 5-part video compilation, Dr. Franklin Anariba, a specialist in electrochemistry, offered his extensive analysis of several papers from the Rosetta mission to Comet 67P. Among the findings Dr. Anariba discussed was the discovery of electric fields and fast moving electrons close to the comet nucleus, and the evidence that electrochemical processes may be responsible for the production of water molecules in the comet's coma. In January, science news headlines stated that ESA scientists have observed so-called exposed water ice on the comet surface. However, the term exposed water-ice betrays the ongoing assumption that large amounts of ice exist beneath the exterior of the nucleus. We asked Dr. Anariba for his thoughts on this development with the Rosetta mission.

Funny how it works out...


now...lets hear jd116 whine on that it cant happpen

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Geez, ya take off for a week fishing and more confirmation of charge and electric fields...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of citing an article on asteroids in a comet thread and then lying about the science !
Researchers discover how water is regenerated on asteroids. We have known for many decades that asteroids have water molecules. This research shows that energetic electrons from the solar wind and "small meteoroids slamming into the asteroid" are needed to maintain water molecule levels.

Sol88's usual insanity of citing his deluded cult. The ignorant Dr. Franklin Anariba stupidly has videos on the cult's YouTube channel. The cult is even lying about Dr. Franklin Anariba who does not say that comets are rocks as far as I recall. The cult has its usual lies in the description.

• Water ice was actually detected don the surface of 67P and other comets
• Insanity that detecting exposed water ice means that there are no ices under the surface.

Sol88 stupidly regurgitates the same old videoes from 2015!

Sol88's new insanity that charge and electric fields need confirmation .

Sol88's usual insanity that we (specifically jonesdave116) will not acknowledge valid science!
The scientific evidence is that the solar wind interacting with airless rocky bodies such as the Moon and asteroids can generate water molecules. Comets are not airless rocky bodies. Comets are made of ices and dust. Comets have a coma that prevents the solar wind from reaching the comet nucleus.

[Sol88]

Any energetic electrons at 67P?

Electron acceleration at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Solar wind not needed.

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Any energetic electrons at 67P?

Electron acceleration at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Solar wind not needed.

And yet, the solar wind is there, contains charged particles and by its very existence and behaviour disproves the entire EU 'theory', which makes all your posting pointless.

[Sol88]

The sun is not a pith ball champ.

But

From the paper,

Quote:

We show from this study an event on 19 January 2016 when IES simultaneously observed accelerated electrons, solar wind protons, water ions, and LH waves

Mmmmm... something fishy here. Lukraak says cant happen.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Geez, ya take off for a week fishing and more confirmation of charge and electric fields...

Researchers discover how water is regenerated on asteroids



and comets!!!

as proposed by Dr. Franklin Anariba

Comets as Water Factories | Space New



Funny how it works out...


now...lets hear jd116 whine on that it cant happpen

It can't happen. Do the maths. We already did it for you. Repeating failed crap is not going to make it real. Which part of 'airless' aren't you understanding? Where is the water coming from when the solar wind is getting nowhere near the comet for months on end? How many solar wind ions per second are striking a comet when it is subject to the solar wind? How many molecules of water are being released per second at that time? Go ahead, do the maths. Embarrass yourself. Again.

[Sol88]

You have waaaaayyyyy over estimated the water production. Based on incorrect models as comets as mostly ICE.


There’s not enough ice to explain jets.

It’s all electric...

What’s makes you think you need solar wind electrons for jd116?

Paper said energetic electrons. An electron is an electron.

[tusenfem]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Any energetic electrons at 67P?

Electron acceleration at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Solar wind not needed.

i tink i taw a puddytat!

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

You have waaaaayyyyy over estimated the water production. Based on incorrect models as comets as mostly ICE.


There’s not enough ice to explain jets.

It’s all electric...

What’s makes you think you need solar wind electrons for jd116?

Paper said energetic electrons. An electron is an electron.

Nope, the water production rate is fine. Whether it is at the lower end or higher end of estimates, it is still multiple OOM too high to be from any other mechanism. Want to see the maths again? And there is plenty enough ice to explain jets. By definition! They are composed of water vapour, for the most part!
And where did I say anything about solar wind electrons? You need ions. And neither they, nor electrons, are reaching the surface for long periods. Just as at Halley. Where the diamagnetic cavity alone was ~ 4500 km from the nucleus.
And the electrons paper you linked is reporting detections from Dec 2015 - Jan 2016. Had you been paying attention, you would have known that the solar wind disappeared from ~ Apr 2015 until Dec 2015. So, no surprise that it is back when they measured it.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Any energetic electrons at 67P?

Electron acceleration at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Solar wind not needed.

Solar wind is needed. Otherwise they wouldn't have said;

Quote:

During the Vega flybys of comet Halley, 1 keV electrons were also observed, and these are explained as having been accelerated by lower hybrid (LH) waves resulting from the two-stream instability involving the solar wind and pickup-ion flows. These waves resonate with the cyclotron motion of the ions and the longitudinal motion of electrons and are on the order of several Hz, at least in the case of 67P. We postulate that the energetic electrons we have observed intermittently during December 2015 through January 2016 are also the result of such a process.............

Comprehension is a wonderful thing. Get some.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies. The coma of 67P has energetic electrons that never get to the nucleus surface. The coma of 67P has energetic electrons that are created because the coma and solar wind are interacting plasma.

[url="https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/abs/2019/10/aa34701-18/aa34701-18.html"]Electron acceleration at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko[/URL

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We report the observation by the Ion and Electron Sensor (IES) of energetic (>1 keV) electrons in the plasma environment of comet 67P Churyumov-Gerasimenko (67P). Most of the electrons in the cometary coma are expected to be of solar wind, photoionization, or electron impact origin and are therefore not expected to exceed some hundreds of eV in energy. During the Vega flybys of comet Halley, 1 keV electrons were also observed, and these are explained as having been accelerated by lower hybrid (LH) waves resulting from the two-stream instability involving the solar wind and pickup-ion flows. These waves resonate with the cyclotron motion of the ions and the longitudinal motion of electrons and are on the order of several Hz, at least in the case of 67P. We postulate that the energetic electrons we have observed intermittently during December 2015 through January 2016 are also the result of such a process and that Landau damping causes the acceleration and subsequent abrupt decrease in this energy (also seen at Halley). We show from this study an event on 19 January 2016 when IES simultaneously observed accelerated electrons, solar wind protons, water ions, and LH waves. A dispersion analysis shows that the ion–ion two-stream instability has positive growth rates for such waves during the observation period.

Solar wind definitely needed !

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

The sun is not a pith ball champ....

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's insanity of not realizing that is close to what the SAFIRE project says (replace "pith" with "metal" and that is SAFIRE!) !!

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies about posts and comets.
[b]jonesdave116[/B's post is not about the measured composition of comets being ices and dust. The measured density of comets supports that they are generally mostly ices and dust. However Tempel 1 is ~50% ices and 67P is at least 17% ices. So maybe more data will lead to comets being ices and mostly dust.
Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) .

As I recall, maybe years ago, jonesdave116 did the math for water production from the solar wind using Sol88's electric comet insanity of comets being rocks . The result was that rocks + solar wind cannot produce the observed water molecules at comets.

Many years of Sol88's demented idea that water is being produced by the solar wind hitting the nucleus when comet coma prevent the wind reaching the nucleus !

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

There’s not enough ice to explain jets.

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies. His demented denial of basic physics (e.g. the definition of plasma) means that anything he concludes about comets is a lie. Sol88 has no idea how much ice is needed to produce a jet. Sol88 believes in the insanity that jets are electrical discharges after maybe decades of being told basic jet facts. We detect that jets are made of ices and dust. Jets are visible through reflected sunlight. Jets vanish in shadows. Jets are emitted from "low areas", e.g. fractures and pits on 67P. No radiation unique to electrical discharges has ever been detected at comets.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Solar wind is needed. Otherwise they wouldn't have said;



Comprehension is a wonderful thing. Get some.

No solar wind needed, you are as usual following reality checks footsteps and confabulating.

The article said

Quote:

The team then used energised electrons to simulate solar winds and lasers to mimic small meteoroids slamming into the asteroid, while monitoring water molecule levels at the surface.

So...for the slow of learning here and please pay close attention jd116.

In the electric comet we only need energised electrons and they need not be from the solar wind at all.


As observed,

Quote:

We present the effects of the diamagnetic cavity on the thermal and suprathermal electron and suprathermal ion content of the plasma, and also the probable mechanisms responsible for these charged particle signatures.

Charged particle signatures of the diamagnetic cavity of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko

So, game on sport...

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Reality Check

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies about posts and comets.
[b]jonesdave116[/B's post is not about the measured composition of comets being ices and dust. The measured density of comets supports that they are generally mostly ices and dust. However Tempel 1 is ~50% ices and 67P is at least 17% ices. So maybe more data will lead to comets being ices and mostly dust.
Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) .

As I recall, maybe years ago, jonesdave116 did the math for water production from the solar wind using Sol88's electric comet insanity of comets being rocks . The result was that rocks + solar wind cannot produce the observed water molecules at comets.

Many years of Sol88's demented idea that water is being produced by the solar wind hitting the nucleus when comet coma prevent the wind reaching the nucleus !

Perhaps you could tell the lurkers and interested parties all about the organic molecules found in ABUNDANCE on 67P?

Organic molecules make up half of Comet 67P

Aliphat ic and aromatic hydrocarbons in comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko seen by ROSINA


Mmmmm..... protium from the solar wind also NOT NEEDED.

Plenty of “stuff” (organic molecules) and energised electrons on the surface and in the coma of comet 67P to not even require the solar wind.

And as an aside, knock your self out on the same math you used to come up with “can’t happen” and use the abundance of all the required molecules and the abundant electrons within your “diamagnetic cavity”.

Dr Anariba... bang on the money!

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

No solar wind needed...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies about the science Sol88 cites !

Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) .So w get the insanity of a paper on asteroids in a thread about his demented cult's electric comet insanity. That paper Sol88 cited is evidence that the solar wind is needed to maintain water molecule levels on asteroids!

Sol88's has insane highlights in a quote from his citation that states the researchers simulated the soar wind !

Researchers discover how water is regenerated on asteroids.

Electron acceleration at comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko lists the solar wind .

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

As observed, Charged particle signatures of the diamagnetic cavity of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies about his demented cult's electric comet insanity. His cult delusions do not need his lie of "energized electrons" - it needs a still not detected solar electric field massive enough to do whatever their little brains can imagine.

We only detect "energized electrons" around comets in comet coma interacting with the solar wind. We have real physical mechanisms to produce energetic elections and ions as Sol88 quoted !

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity. Dr Anariba had fantasies stated in conferences speeches and videos hosted by Sol88's demented cult

The real world is the well known fact that comets have organic molecules and the real physical processes that create them.
Organic molecules make up half of Comet 67P (actually half of the dust grains collected by Rosetta)
Aliphat ic and aromatic hydrocarbons in comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko seen by ROSINA

Sol88's usual insane lies about science - no energized elections have ever been detected on the surface of comets. The papers Sol88 has cited are about comet coma.

Sol88's usual insane gibberish, e.g. "protium from the solar wind also NOT NEEDED". If he means protons then Sol88 is as usual abysmally ignorant. The formation of organic molecule is simply put carbon capturing protons from the solar wind when comets do not have a coma which is most of their lifetimes since they were formed billions of years ago in the early Solar System.

Sol88 insanity about the dielectric cavity. It is Sol88's demented cult's electric comet insanity so Sol88 has to do the work to support it. Decades of Sol88's abysmal ignorance and denial of physics, lies, delusions, insults, etc. emphasizes n every post from Sol88 that his demented cult only has abysmal ignorance and denial of physics, lies, delusions, and insults.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Reality Check

Sol88's usual insane lies about his demented cult's electric comet insanity. His cult delusions do not need his lie of "energized electrons" - it needs a still not detected solar electric field massive enough to do whatever their little brains can imagine.

We only detect "energized electrons" around comets in comet coma interacting with the solar wind. We have real physical mechanisms to produce energetic elections and ions as Sol88 quoted !

Thanks for the confirmation reality check, well done champ!

Do we have any "energetic erections" at comet 67P, reality check?