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10th March 2015, 10:25 AM | #361 |
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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10th March 2015, 10:27 AM | #362 |
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Not to mention that a whole bunch of Pro-Bigfooter sites on Facebook and also a thread on BFF has said "What a good skeptical website, look at these awesome comments from a skeptic" and linked to her article. She is going to go down as the skeptic that was forced to shut down her comments, by the same evil skeptics that constantly call us liars and fakes.
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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10th March 2015, 10:40 AM | #363 |
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Her "unusual stance" may possibly be attributed to her new skeptical consulting business. She may feel that projecting denialism would hinder her marketability. If her position on all Bigfoot claims is known in advance then people might not hire her to consult on specific "new evidence".
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10th March 2015, 10:58 AM | #364 |
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Bang-on. One of the reasons I dig so deeply into bigfoot skepticism (though admittedly not near as deeply as others do) is that our mainstream skeptical celebrities tend to be woefully ignorant of the topic.
Disagree. She has one question to answer if she so chooses: What is compelling at Area X? She's avoided addressing that question like a little kid hiding from an appointment with the dentist. |
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10th March 2015, 11:37 AM | #366 |
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She doesn't use this forum anymore for discussing specific skeptical topics.
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I guess there's no money or fame in posting here.
However, she once did and here is Sharon Hill's post on this forum from 22 June 2014:
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Her last post was 02 March 2015 - so she still remembers her password. |
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I've mentioned the bigfoot black hole before.
Get too close, and the pull is too strong. Soon you cross the woo horizon and get bigfoot-shifted. |
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[quote=The Shrike;10520429]Bang-on. One of the reasons I dig so deeply into bigfoot skepticism (though admittedly not near as deeply as others do) is that our mainstream skeptical celebrities tend to be woefully ignorant of the topic.
Topic: Some people believe that there is an unidentified large hairy biped living in some forested areas of North America. Compelling evidence provided for this creature: None. Ignorance: ? |
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I'd imagine it's not just Sharon Hill who's waiting to come out of the closet. If this thing were to be proven, there will be a whole bunch of people out in the woods doing wood knocks and howls. The number of footers would go up dramatically. On another note, it would encourage scientists to keep a more open mind to the world, which I think is equally as important as skepticism. This NAWAC monograph though, isn't going to do ****.
Assuming they're telling the truth, the last thing they need to hear right now is a bunch of people telling them "good job". They need to put the monkey on the table so to speak. Otherwise, their efforts will probably be in vain. |
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Think of it as ignorance of bigfooter debate tactics. Did you ever hear someone speak to a creationist about evolution and cringe to hear them fall prey to creationist rhetorical tricks? It doesn't make evolution less true but there are a great many gifted biologists who could be made a monkey* by even one so amateurish as Ken Ham.
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Ontario, Sharon Hill is not a Bigfoot believer. Some of us are just questioning why she has stated that it's important to be open-minded about NAWAC and what she thinks our minds are supposed to be open to.
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Guys, if I may be so bold...
10 pages of nondiscussion because why? The guy doesn't post here. He's clearly lying. This should have been over a long time ago. |
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But people like you keep moving it forward.
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10th March 2015, 09:13 PM | #385 |
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People like me?
I've said very little to nothing on this topic. I'm just reflecting on the attention it's been given. I hope people like you can understand my point of view. |
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How is it possible that a supposed reasonable rational person, who was enough of a skeptic to actually run her own Internet blog on the subject of "skepticism" in general, and in fact has been writing about it on a regular basis, all of a sudden completely lose the ability to do exactly what she's been doing all along? Offering reasoned and rational skeptic's thoughts on everything including Bigfoot. It appears now she can only feebly curse like an old man in his front yard at the people who question her, despite having at least three legitimate arenas (ISF, Doubtful site, TBRC) to properly explain herself.
There's only one thing that could have happened. She was kidnapped and her site has been hacked. I'm guessing by those NAWAC goons. Somebody needs to call the authorities. |
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This could also be a premature and drawn-out April Fool's joke.
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10th March 2015, 09:31 PM | #389 |
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Woo Dapes.
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10th March 2015, 09:34 PM | #390 |
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They arent talking about the kind of wood like oak or pine. Wood apes has a completely different meaning for this group of people.
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I know a true believer when I see one. ChrisBFRPKY for example, is not a believer. Sharon Hill on the other hand is.
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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Sounds like Ontario is baiting a trap for Sharon to chime in here. I'm going to predict that, like a wood ape, Sharon will be smart enough to recognize the set up, and avoid it.
SMcS, the 10 pages address different aspects of a 200+ page report just released, with the added spice of a noted skeptic doing an apparent 180 (okay, maybe more like a 90) on a topic about which she's in large part built her career/persona. Harry captures the gist quite well. If NAWAC doesn't warrant 10 pages, how many is the PGF worth? |
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A couple of squares.
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I thought that's what this thread was about - trying to determine what's different about NAWAC in Sharon's eyes.
She knows we're here and will participate (or not) on her own terms. I see no point in continually asking her to explain herself. So far, she seems to be responding to the dust up as an example of us skeptics not being good skeptics but instead engaging in denialism. Meanwhile, at Area X . . . a decided lack of bigfoots. |
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This seems to be the consensus here, and I agree with it.
I found the following half-remembered quote, attributed to Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." It has various corollaries. Being skeptical isn't a profitable vocation else I think there would be a lot more skeptics. And what exactly is "skeptical consulting" anyway? |
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