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16th March 2015, 02:28 PM | #681 |
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I've mentioned in passing that I had a student work on his master's thesis in the Ouachitas some years ago, and that I have personally done a few days of field work there. From my normal haunts in the Appalachians, it's fascinating to find mountain ridges so far south that support breeding birds that are otherwise most numerous in Canada.
Anyway, I was inspired to dig into the student's thesis a bit and figure out how close he might have gotten to putative Area X. From a quick glance at his survey sites, I estimate that he hit 46 sites in LeFlore County, including Cucumber Creek (a TNC Preserve), Beech Creek, Blue Bouncer Mtn., Lynn Mtn, etc. These are the areas that pop up in the coordinates FFed posted earlier, and they're where everybody goes to experience the wildest parts of the Ouachitas. As to putative Area X, it looks like my crew got within about 2 miles of the site. On the attached map, I've marked locations for the nearest survey points to where we think the cabin might be. (I checked their species lists, and there were no wood apes on them.) |
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The blood/stomach content matter wound up with the hunt organizer (as previously explained) after the initial DNA analysis was done. He/they were emphatic about getting our evidence back and (again, as previously explained) one of our group did so w/o consulting with the rest of us. The foot & hand prints were to have been cast by the hunt organizer but apparently were not or if so, have been kept private. We were "invited" down (Oklahoma to Louisiana) by the hunt organizer as one group of shooters (another group from western Oklahoma was also there) for this event and as such, were tasked with killing one. It was one of the other group members that took the shot, apparently wounding (gut shot) it and allowing it to escape into an area where recovery was not possible. What I took away from this experience is the event was poorly planned (logistically) and the motivation was economic, not scientific however, once the DNA analysis was done, the hunt organizer apparently had something to be concerned about and as such, wanted all loose ends (our evidence) back in his possession. IMO, that is what made everything "disappear". |
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Your map in the above post shows Area "X" being just south of our lease boundary. In the immediate vicinity of Mr. Branson's plot is a cluster of other private cabin sites as well as a couple 80 acre parcels still owned by the original land developer. A client owns 160 acres and leases another ~3,000 acres SSE of Area "X" (that butts up to the Honobia GMA) in the 4-way Ranch locale with Eagle creek being a part of said lease. I reckon if you were traipsing all over the area with or without proper permission to be on a given piece of land, one might wish to be a bit nebulous about such. However, Brian Brown let the cat outa the bag when he proclaimed Area "X" as the Branson plot (BFF thread) and I tracked it down via public records. |
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So, how do you think the Bigfooters themselves determine who are BLAARGers (in on it) and which are true believers (not in on it)?
If a Bigfooter arrives at a particular site with a gun do the other Bigfooters there breathe a sigh of relief because simply carrying a gun is a sign of BLAARGing? That doesn't seem right... According to WP's version of the BLAARG hypothesis, they are simply pretending to be researchers so with your particular version of the BLAARG hypothesis why would you expect Bigfooters to do the things a real researcher would be expected to do (beyond appearances)? Shouldn't consistently ignoring/refusing opportune moments to collect said evidence, then, be expected if they are only pretending that Bigfoot exists? You've been interested in this subject for quite some time so I was hoping for your general opinion on the proportions of "liars" to "true believers" - ie your particular interpretation of the BLAARGing hypothesis. I'm not particularly interested in who is a "good skeptic" or a "denialist" according to loosely subjective data... Thanks for that. I don't disagree with that assessment of this NAWAC situation. But how do you think the Bigfooters themselves differentiate between BLAARGers (those who are pretending) and true believers (those who are not)? Maybe it's because there is nothing in the described behaviour of these "wood apes" that warrant it. Perhaps it is that simple... |
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I can't remember if it was in their podcast or paper, but they've claimed to have an average of 1 visual sighting per week with the average time being only a few seconds. It supposedly took them years to figure out that the tree breaks were the result of wood ape intimidation behaviour. One thing I found very interesting though, was their claim of wood apes speaking in sentences, supposedly as mimicry of humans...
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If I was role playing, I wouldn't make such a claim because being able to speak in sentences basically means they have the ability to form a language if they wanted to. It's one of the inconsistencies that I think actually gives them credibility.
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I mean Bigfoot. The NAWAC wants to paint these things as non-human as chimps, which is understandable given their supposed goal. For them to let something like this slip is contradictory and goes against the BLAARGing hypothesis.
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"Diet[edit]
The jaws of Gigantopithecus are deep and very thick. The molars are low-crowned and flat, and exhibit heavy enamel suitable for tough grinding.[8] The premolars are broad and flat and configured similarly to the molars. The canine teeth are neither pointed nor sharp, while the incisors are small, peglike, and closely aligned. The features of teeth and jaws suggested that the animal was adapted to chewing tough, fibrous food by cutting, crushing, and grinding it. Gigantopithecus teeth also have a large number of cavities, similar to those found in giant pandas, whose diet, which includes a large amount of bamboo, may be similar to that of Gigantopithecus.[3] In addition to bamboo, Gigantopithecus consumed other vegetable foods, as suggested by the analysis of the phytoliths adhering to its teeth. An examination of the microscopic scratches and gritty plant remains embedded in Gigantopithecus teeth suggests that they ingested seeds and fruit, as well as bamboo.[7]" "Morphology[edit] Based on the fossil evidence, adult male Gigantopithecus blacki are believed to have stood about 3 m (9.8 ft) tall and weighed as much as 540 kg (1,200 lb),[1][3][4] making the species two to three times heavier than modern gorillas and nearly five times heavier than the orangutan, its closest living relative. Large males may have had an armspan of over 3.6 m (12 ft). The species was highly sexually dimorphic, with adult females roughly half the weight of males.[4] Because of wide interspecies differences in the relationship between tooth and body size, some argue[citation needed] that it is more likely that Gigantopithecus was much smaller, at roughly 1.8 m (5.9 ft).[6] The species lived in Asia and probably inhabited bamboo forests, since its fossils are often found alongside those of extinct ancestors of the panda. Most evidence points to Gigantopithecus being a plant-eater. Its appearance is not known, because of the fragmentary nature of its fossil remains. It possibly resembled modern gorillas, because of its supposedly similar lifestyle. Some scientists, however, think it probably looked more like its closest modern relative, the orangutan. Being so large, Gigantopithecus possibly had few or no enemies when fully grown. However, younger, weak, or injured individuals may have been vulnerable to predation by tigers, pythons, crocodiles, machairodonts, hyenas, bears, and Homo erectus." |
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And don't forget, Bigfoot also has pets. What's so amazing is Bigfoot lives an almost parallel life to us, but without those pesky live and life parts. Probably why it seems he's always there yet he's always not there.
Just as a personal self improvement tip, believing in conjured big hairy beast fantasies isn't really a flattering quality. |
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I guess it would only make sense to someone who's accepted their existence. For someone who thinks Bigfoot is impossible, it's going to sound crazy.
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That's a circular argument. They're too good to make a mistake, therefore anything they do isn't a mistake.
Moreover, even the good ones make mistakes. Finally, it's not a mistake if it works. Much like the defense of psychic charlatans which basically says "a fake wouldn't say that therefore she's real." Professional hoaxers know very well what sells; the proof in this instance is in the fact that it's selling to you. And that's all they need, and it's all you have: explanations for why there is no hard evidence, just stories that you can rationalize into something superficially credible. Find evidence. If you have it, present it. There is none here. Zero. Absolutely no evidence at all of Bigfoot in the linked report. |
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Point of reference:
When I was first introduced to this endeavour was in ~January, 2002 and with having no previous exposure to what the BF/UHS "world" was all about, fell into the camp of killing one as a trust fund baby in Californication was offering seven figures for a body. This led to the "hunts" in Louisiana & Oklahoma. Within ~24 months I came to the conclusion this was a fool's errand and the kingdom of bigfootery was rife with some of the most dysfunctional individuals ever encountered. This even resulted in a lawsuit against some individuals. In many ways, wish I'd never heard of the things. |
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IMO, NAWAC has told/sold so much bovin caca that (at some point) they started believing it themselves.
That's when the hoaxers became the hoaxees. IMO, you can put MABRC & GCBRO in the same pot as NAWAC. |
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Recently I've come to the realization that if they were hoaxing, I would have figured them out a long time ago. It seems like everything they do is indicative of them being genuine. If they really did pull this off as a hoax, then they deserve a reward because they've done a good job
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Ah. The Dean Radin complex:
Yes, yes, I know that we can delude ourselves, but because I know this, it won't happen to me. I know this sounds disrespectful, and honestly it is not; it is, however, intended to be blunt. Stop asking yourself if you could have figured out a hoax. Ask yourself instead what evidence they have presented. |
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I don't even know what that means.
Do they genuinely believe they've been near a herd of giant monkeys for years? How can any adult genuinely believe that? And, if you do somehow believe it, how do you deal with the total lack of ability to produce any evidence...for years??? |
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