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17th March 2015, 02:48 PM | #761 |
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What does this Brian Brown guy do for a living? Or is Bigfoot his living?
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17th March 2015, 02:48 PM | #762 |
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Yes, I hunted them (~2002-2003) before realizing is was a fool's errand. Shot at one (2002) but was later determined to be a clean miss.
Believer? I believe that I have observed things in the forest that have no scientific explanation/classification. Hallucinations? Whatever was shot that night in Louisiana by the guy from Anadarko, Oklahoma left a blood trail, hand prints XL in size and footprints of a size ~12. Hope it wasn't Bubba Thibodeaux. |
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17th March 2015, 03:48 PM | #766 |
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Yeah, sure.
http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/t...cience/page-43
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17th March 2015, 07:27 PM | #767 |
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17th March 2015, 07:56 PM | #768 |
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17th March 2015, 08:04 PM | #769 |
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17th March 2015, 08:45 PM | #770 |
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Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot. |
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18th March 2015, 12:26 AM | #771 |
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We owe Sharon Hill a huge debt of gratitude for demonstrating how a skeptic can suddenly switch to Bigfoot Live Action Alternate Reality Gaming. All of them follow the same script so it is wonderful to compare her before/after personas.
Before, she was a skeptic. Now her own previous position is called [pejorative] skeptic. (she's used "denialist", "arch" and other extreme terms here to fabricate the fallacy of the golden middle). The evasion and diversion, playing the victim, ridicule etc. over what is supposedly new or worthy of note in the Area X report - wonderful! Denying what you are doing while you are doing it: Who me? Advocate bigfoot? No, I am just being a potty mouth to anyone doubting it. lol. Blame the victim: offer zero explanation for your 180 and then blame people for "speculating" about it and storm off in a huff. The turn to such nasty responses to reasonable questions contrasts so markedly with her previous diplomacy as a skeptic - but for years I have been demonstrating the remarkable correspondence between the list of tactics used by abusive personality disorders and how BLAARGers interact with non-BLAARGers. The fact she is now marketing herself to paranormal, specifically bigfoot claimants, in order to up their fake science gaming is what we call a "clue" in forensics. She's brushed off the equally legitimate UFOists, which offers yet another excellent insight into her marketing plan and the hypocrisy it necessitates for one vs. the other. The mistake she has made with this is how transparent it is. You can't make BLAARGing scientific. That would require not playing at all. You can only follow the same worn-out fallacies and abusive tactics they use. This isn't any kind of loss to skepticism - it's a gold mine, and most specifically for the BLAARGing hypothesis. |
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18th March 2015, 07:39 AM | #773 |
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Yes.
Am not sure what "Bigfoot" is as no scientific identification has yet been made. Yes, for a variety of reasons such as, the dudes still at it appear to have a propensity for spraying bullets around the forest at sounds and sights out of fear. _____ Have previously explained where the blood samples went and why the event is still under a cloud of suspicion. If, one has read the account of this incident to know the shot I took was a miss as the creek bank provided an avenue for the target to drop below my line of sight. |
18th March 2015, 07:52 AM | #774 |
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18th March 2015, 08:01 AM | #775 |
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The Discovery of the Sasquatch is probably one of the very few long books this DWA character is capable of reading. Like the Penthouse you stole from your older brother, it's dog-eared, with pages missing, for likely the same reason. When the NAWAC, his other fave fapping fodder, strike out, and leave their wood monkey woods with nary a wood monkey, how will this fellow react? Why with the same blowhard, know-nothing footie apologetic that he's been parroting for years. However, you could train a parrot to express itself more thoughtfully.
This is less indicative of a quaint eccentricity than a unhinged fringe delusion; of course he might just be BLAARGing. |
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18th March 2015, 08:11 AM | #776 |
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I don't know but they would probably use the same methods of deduction that I would.
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18th March 2015, 09:25 AM | #777 |
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Why not ask the BBC Wildlife Unit in to find and film it? they have tracked, found and filmed all kinds of suer exotic and rare animals over the years. they have been the first to film all kinds of exotic jungle birds and souch. Bigfoot in the woods will be easy peasy for them.
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18th March 2015, 09:54 AM | #778 |
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18th March 2015, 09:59 AM | #779 |
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Bigfoot in SE Oklahoma before Area X - part 1
I would like to consider the following statement, found on the bottom of page 6 of the NAWAC report.
“Reports of encounters with large upright hair-covered animals in North America, including the south-central region of the United States, have been around for centuries, both in the context of Native American culture and Euro-American settlers and their descendants. An ape-like species figures prominently in the cultures of many Native American tribes, particularly those tribes of areas similar in ecological and environmental nature to the Ouachita Mountain Ecoregion, that is, areas characterized by abundant rainfall, significant waterways and bodies of water, dense forest (upland pine and hardwood bottoms), and low human population densities.” There is a non-sequitur buried here. The argument is that an ape-like species is known to many Native American tribes, especially “those tribes of areas similar in ecological and environmental nature to the Ouachita Mountain Ecoregion...” and that reports of encounters with such animals from both Native Americans and Euro-American settlers and their descendents “have been around for centuries.” The author not only has embraced the dubious notion of a historical record for Bigfoot (newspaper accounts of wild men, giant hairy Indians, “what is its,” and gorillas in the woods have multiple explanations divorced from relict Gigantopithecine), but also sneaks in a non-sequitur: a native ape “figures prominently” in Native American lore of tribes living in areas similar in ecology to Area X. In other words, we do not have a historical record for Bigfoot in the Ouachita Mountains of Oklahoma, so we suggest one by analogy and by implying dubious accounts from “similar” ecoregions. l When I first looked into this I was fully expecting to find some loose tradition of sightings in SE Oklahoma that Bigfooters could exploit as evidence of a historical Bigfoot. I was surprised to find that there is no such tradition. I consulted the book The Historical Bigfoot by Chad Arment, a collection of continent wide newspaper and magazine accounts of “Bigfoot” from the late 1800s to the 1940s. For the chapter on Oklahoma, Arment lists only a half-dozen (or so) accounts, statewide across time.. The accounts are generally ambiguous, and if my memory serves me, only one account anywhere near Area X. I pointed this fact out to Brian Brown at BFF and he felt vindicated. I replied that giant bipedal apes native to Oklahoma definitely would have left more of a record than a mere handful of unsuppported accounts found in Arment's research from the 1800s to the 1940s. This isn't to say that there aren't numerous sightings recorded in SE Oklahoma now. But most have accumulated after 2000, for a reason I'll address in another post. What about Native American accounts from the Ouachitas? We may find a Native American story teller or two linking some First Nations lore with Bigfoot, or presenting some tribal oral history that meshes inexactly with modern Bigfootology, but even here, these are recent developments. The Choctaw are the Native Americans who have mostly prevailed in SE Oklahoma, the Choctaw Nation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_Nation_of_Oklahoma If we look at Choctaw myths we do not find giant apes, or apes filtered through First Peoples lore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_mythology Curiously the wiki entry includes a passage about the Choctaw myth of “little people,” presumedly analogous to Europeon myths of elves or leprechauns, in which the little guys make noise in the woods now attributed to giant wood apes by NAWAC: “The Choctaws believed that they held sticks and stones in them. All unexplained sounds heard in the woods were attributed to (ole) or little grass, believing it took a special pleasure in hitting the pine trees to create noise." We do find at Bigfootencounters an alleged Choctaw myth that is pressed into service as evidence of Bigfoot: http://www.bigfootencounters.com/legends/shampe.htm This webpage lists various Bigfoot type (more or less) myths associated with Native Americans, and, including the “shampe” mentioned directly above, there is no Bigfoot tradition discernable in Choctaw lore. http://www.native-languages.org/legends-bigfoot.htm |
18th March 2015, 10:33 AM | #780 |
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The Siege at Honobia and the slightly less silly Honobia Bigfoot Festival tell us much about this fringy section of OK.
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18th March 2015, 10:35 AM | #781 |
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I thought this failure to look for the ape was a dubious reaction too and said so at BFF. A member there, a hunter, advised me that no one in their right mind would be going into the woods after dark looking for a possibly wounded animal the size of the purported wood ape. For what's it worth.
Also this little known fact. I happened across a youtube video that had been taken of Coyler reactions shortly after the shooting, when other members had converged on the site. Coyler was nervous and highly excited, even agitated, and kept saying over and over again something like "I saw it, I'm telling you I saw it." Here's the kicker: as he kept talking, he revealed that he thought he may have seen two wood apes, one much smaller than the other, both traveling together. I have tried in vain to find this video again and presume it has been removed from the Net. There is no reference to Coyler's remarks about a second ape at NAWAC. I mentioned Coyler's initial account of two apes to Brown at BFF and he said Coyler was certain only that he saw one ape. I took this to mean that he was less than certain he had seen a second one. If Coyler didn't just make this stuff up, then consider this scary thought: there were two people, a male relative of the property owner and his girlfriend, nearby and they fled for their lives, later claiming they thought some meth labbers or moonshiners were shooting at them. |
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This was going to be my next post. The "siege" was the segue into Area X. It was the defining moment that really put Bigfoot on the map in SE Oklahoma.
Notice the closing paragraph of the BFRO report: "The best thing the BFRO could do at that point was to wait to hear from more witnesses in the general area who might provide tips on another visited property. When a tip finally came in months later, an expedition was organized -- the Ouachita Expedition. That expedition yielded no video or photographic evidence, but the participants say they heard probable vocalizations and believe another expedition is warranted." They were waiting for "tips on another visited property" -- meaning, of course, the Branson property. The "siege" was the splashy, short lived hoax to get the Bigfooters involved. Then the protracted long haul, controlled hoax at Area X. |
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18th March 2015, 11:54 AM | #788 |
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What a coincidence, Bigfoot blood disappears...again. I suspect that the person who made it vanish threw it away, because he sure as hell didn't verify that Bigfoot is a reality, which, y'know...you could do if you actually had blood from a Bigfoot. What a fun game. "Oops, almost had it there!"
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18th March 2015, 11:56 AM | #789 |
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Don't forget the bigfoot that was filmed in Alaska by an IMAX crew!!! Wasn't it stalking a caribou herd, or some other nonsense?
ETA, Here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yJf0pk7hHM |
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The genius ThinkerThunker still thunks so.
A Closer Look - Bigfoot recorded in IMAX "Great North" documentary |
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I/we was drawn into this (2002) by the offer (trust fund baby in California) of a seven figure bounty. As far as I know, only one of the original group is still chasing this objective as what you posted above is only one of the factors leading to my exit from the field. |
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I am aware of the video you reference and cannot locate it either however, given NAWAC's history of revisionism, it isn't surprising.
The two kids (teenagers) were ~75 yards away when the shooting started and their concern is understandable considering a large meth lab (producing clinical grade product) had been busted in the area. It was a Mexican Cartel operation as the two chemists arrested were terrified for their familes back in Mexico as they'd been kidnapped and held under threat of death unless those two guys went to Oklahoma and cooked for them. The lease landowner (retired USFS LEO) conveyed this information to me after I'd apprised him of what the NAWAC bunch had been up to on the mountaintop, above us. |
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Please provide the name of the "trust fund baby" and the exact dollar amount as well as the names of all the other participants.
The exact dates and location of the supposed expedition and shooting would be most helpful as well. Also the exact details of how and why you were chosen or how you came to be involved in this expedition. Thank you. |
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