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Old Yesterday, 03:07 AM   #1281
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
"Errancy; The earth XE "earth" will last for ever (Ecclesiastes 1:4) Vs The earth will be destroyed (2 Peter 3:10)



Excuse; Mistranslation.



Rebuttal: (See Reply letter in Rebuttal Chart)



Correction: The life of this world is short if we all but knew how short;



“On the day when the earth XE "earth" will be changed to other than the earth, and the heavens (also will be changed) and they (humans) will come forth unto Allah, the One, the Almighty” (Quran 14:48)"


https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618

And;

God/Allah saying, except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with Big Crunch:

Quran 21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

Quran 39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

And;

heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe

Heavens = universes

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

Quran 65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe
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Old Yesterday, 03:43 AM   #1282
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
And;



God/Allah saying, except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with Big Crunch:



Quran 21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.



Quran 39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.



And;



heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe



Heavens = universes



The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.



But it is not infinite.



Seven universes, for example.



Other universes have planets too.



Quran 65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.



Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe


Everyone knows there are nine realms, not seven universes.
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Old Yesterday, 03:50 AM   #1283
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
And;



God/Allah saying, except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with Big Crunch:



Quran 21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.



Quran 39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.



And;



heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe



Heavens = universes



The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.



But it is not infinite.



Seven universes, for example.



Other universes have planets too.



Quran 65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.



Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe


So your mythology has you spending eternity lounging around on the great space wizard’s floor like a lazy dog...

Well, that explains why so many of your posts resemble barking.
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Old Yesterday, 05:16 AM   #1284
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Everyone knows there are nine realms, not seven universes.
And the MCU has much better writers than the Quran.
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Old Yesterday, 05:27 AM   #1285
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Again:



Everyone is free to believe what they wish, according to Quran. This is the goal of the test world. To confront yourself.



Quran only allows a war of defense.



If you read the full of the verses, you will always see the struggle with the attackers in the defense battle.



Example;



2:190 Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors.



2:191 Fight them wherever you meet them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. Do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then fight them. Thus is the reward of those who do not appreciate.



2:192 If they cease, then God is Forgiving, Compassionate.



2:193 Fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is God's. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.



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Here again, He says, fight with the attackers.



But if you pull out a single verse. You make it look like saying the opposite.



And look at:



49:9 And if two parties of believers battle with each other, you shall reconcile them; but if one of them aggresses against the other, then you shall fight the one aggressing until it complies with the command of God. Once it complies, then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice, and be equitable; for God loves those who are equitable.



As you can see saying, if the attackers are Muslims, stop them too.
If a religion did really have the support of an all powerful omnipresent omnipotent god then fighting wouldn't be necessary. The fact that fights erupt over who has the support of the "real" god tells you there likely is no real god.
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
And none of that has anything to do with the question you were asked.
Actually, I think he did answer it. He claims the "no true Scotsman" defence. Muslims stopped following the Quran after the death of the prophet, so the Quran is all peaceful, but the Muslims were not really Muslims, because they were aggressive and did not follow the Quran!
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Old Yesterday, 06:10 AM   #1287
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
And the MCU has much better writers than the Quran.
The MCU?

Heretic!

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Thor_(New_Earth)
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Old Yesterday, 06:50 AM   #1288
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Excuse; Mistranslation.
Because it is. Which is to say there are many words that translate to "earth" from ancient writings. And because their cosmology is not modern astronomy, those original words mean a host of different things. And that's not even counting the idioms. Remember the part where you don't understand idioms?

Anyway, it's pretty rich of you (that's an idiom) to write off mistranslation as a mere "excuse" when the link you posted regarding jihad made exactly the same kind of argument you're trying to dismiss. So are poor translations legitimate escapes from a reputation of your religion as bloodthirsty and intolerant? Or are they merely "excuses?"

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Correction: The life of this world is short if we all but knew how short;
No, you just cherry-picked passages from each source that seemed to be in conflict. In any case, this is not a "correction," as both the Bible and the Qu'ran here are just speculating mystically. There's no given right or wrong answer, unless one starts from the premise that the Qur'an is infallible. Which we don't.
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18:29 Say: (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place!
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Originally Posted by steenkh View Post
Actually, I think he did answer it. He claims the "no true Scotsman" defence. Muslims stopped following the Quran after the death of the prophet, so the Quran is all peaceful, but the Muslims were not really Muslims, because they were aggressive and did not follow the Quran!
Okay, yes, I can see how he thought that might answer the question. If he wants to claim it, there are follow-ups.
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Funny thing is, the Koran makes it clear he's wasting his time here:

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2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
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2:10 In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.
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"Errancy; God in the Bible orders his followers in a battle to kill every living thing including, women, children, and animals;
2:178 O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. And for him who is forgiven somewhat by his (injured) brother, prosecution according to usage and payment unto him in kindness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. He who transgresseth after this will have a painful doom.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

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Who are the forum members you allege are Christian Missionaries?

Are you going to name names or are you going to recant the claim?
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Funny thing is, the Koran makes it clear he's wasting his time here:
What an awesome god punishing disbelievers because he makes them be disbelievers. How does that make sense if as emre is preaching allah is not an evil god?
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Right, because Islam has such a reputation worldwide for being a longsuffering, pacifist religion.
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What an awesome god punishing disbelievers because he makes them be disbelievers. How does that make sense if as emre is preaching allah is not an evil god?
Predestination appears to be in the Koran.
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