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Yet................. It happened and not an escaped pet to match Drew's bs.....
You tanked another thread with honest commentary on things and want to believe you are the interweb police or something. This is why you are on ignore. This is why your agenda is useless, as much as your opinion. Parcher = troll |
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What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away. What seems to be, is always better than nothing. 2 prints, same midtarsal crock..., I mean break? |
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Case Report from New York State on the wandering cougar.
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Dude, seriously you're looking like a complete loon with these posts. How can you call parcher the troll when his recent post actually brought new information to the thread and yours just, well, called him a troll? By definition, you are the one trolling and it's blatantly obvious to anyone reading the thread.
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If it was an 800 pound bipedal cougar, it would have gone undetected.
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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Loren Coleman nurtures Eastern Cougar conspiracy theorists...
Retro-Explaining: Dead Connecticut Cougar Said To Have Been In New York…As Well As Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota And South Dakota!
Originally Posted by Coleman on Cryptomundo
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I cant wait to read this, what are the comments saying?
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There was a time when I read the chronicles of "White" folk held by "Indians" 300 years ago. What it described was a world filled with people covering 30 miles a day. It happened. Probably the only animal that might leave us in the dust is the wolf.
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Parcher, accept that there is no significant genetic difference between the Eastern Cougar and the Western Cougar and leave this alone. Animals screw, especially if they are closely related.
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"I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic |
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mikeyx, please accept that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is using the word "extinct" in this context to describe a category of breeding population, not a taxonomic species nor clade, in order to most effectively allocate conservation resources.
In the sense that your comments fail to grasp the significance of context, they do indeed represent a non sequitur. |
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MikeyX Parcher has clearly stated the position he subscribes to. It is a position from logic and common sense. Your position is that of anecdotal testimony and emotional outrage. It is clear you cannot comprehend the simple, straightforward arguments being presented.
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It's not semantical.
You believe there are cougars breeding in the East, Parcher does not. How is it semantical? |
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No, I beleive they are here and the body proves it. You haven't proven the impossibility, you just presume to state my beliefs for me, which should be worth an infraction, and neither you or Parcher addressed sufficiently the subspecies vs. extinction argument. YOU were the one who said Eastern and Western were genetically indistinguishable.
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The body proves that one traveled here. It's not the same.
It's like having a bird fly to where it isn't supposed to be found and then claiming that bird is normally found there. |
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If one would like to recognize an "eastern" (non-Peninsular Florida) subspecies of cougar as distinct from the "western" form, so be it. The available evidence suggests that all native cougars in the eastern U.S. north of peninsular Florida were hunted to extinction in the early 20th Century.
In recent decades, anecdotal accounts of cougars in the region say, east of the Great Plains and north of Florida have been almost universally erroneous. For the very small number of cases in which the sightings could be confirmed as a real animal, the source has been released South/Central American stock or dispersers from the western U.S. Even the cougars that have been confirmed in the eastern U.S. have not been confirmed to be part of the "eastern" subspecies. Thus, the declaration of the "eastern" cougar's extinction is fully supported by the available data. Although it is always a tricky business to decide when the lack of new evidence for a species leads one to conclude the species is extinct, there is nothing to suggest that the "eastern" subspecies persists anywhere. This declaration, however, does NOT mean that there are no cougars in the eastern U.S. We are seeing, especially over the last 5 years or so, cougars showing up and being confirmed in the East. Thusfar, there is no evidence of a breeding population, only wandering individuals dispersing far outside their normal range. Could there be one outside, I don't know, Charlotte, NC today? Sure, but there's no evidence for one there, and where cougars go they leave evidence. One can take the information on long-range dispersal in cougars and presume that there is a small number of "cougars in the East." William Parcher's contention is that such a presumption is presumptuous - where cougars go they leave evidence. Unless we have that evidence, we should presume that cougars are NOT there. I tend to agree with him, but am willing to allow that there may be a couple of cougars in the East who might have sneaked in under the radar - their inevitable confirmation awaits. I don't see what's so difficult about this? |
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That doesnt address one poster's stated another's belief's without accuracy.
Edited to say; Don't tell me what I believe...... and the breeding thing is mute if the South AMerican progenitor accounts for the populations east and west. It's not extinct, it's just rare in the east. The rest is backpedaling over semantics. |
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There's no such thing as a breeding population of cougars in the eastern U.S. anymore, outside of Peninsular Florida. There hasn't been for decades. That could change in the future, but as of today, there's simply no evidence that this is happening.
(And the word is "moot", btw.) |
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There is no population of cougars in the east. (other than FL)
There was a cougar in the East, it is dead. |
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There's no need to veil shots against 'footers. They should be called out for their irrational beliefs just like any other group facing scrutiny in this forum.
Out-of-range cougars are very much relevant to discussions of bigfoot, because when you really examine the data, you find that the vast majority of reported sightings are based on misidentifications and other non-cougar explanations. The story of the CT cougar is especially relevant because it illustrates that when a real cougar does occur someplace unexpected, it leaves undeniable physical evidence behind, and in this case this happened multiple times along the animal's dispersal route. Think about that. Just one, individual cougar was trackable as it dispersed away from its normal range. Now consider the centuries over which not a single piece of any of the entire populations of bigfoots that should have lived and died has ever been recovered and confirmed. |
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MikeyX, you are obsessed with how Parcher portrays footers, and ignoring the simple facts. When there is a cougar in the heavily populated, heavily driven eastern and Northeastern states, the situation gets resolved quickly. You can't deny that. Either they will find evidence of the existing cougar, or the cougar will end up dead in short order.
Do you think that there is a population of cougars evading human discovery? If this is so, then it is a distinct parallel between BIGFOOTERS, and YOURSELF. Sorry for the following TEXTBURG Both bigfooters, and yourself, would have to accept that a population of top predators, each being the largest of their respective order or family, on the continent, the Cougar of the Felidae family, and the Bigfoot of the Primate order, is intentionally avoiding discovery by humans, in one of the most explored, and utilized areaa of the world. The two beasts are not only avoiding discovery, but are not yielding any confirmatory evidence of their existence. The comparison is valid and true. You would rather try to label Parcher's comparison as invalid because of the nature of the comparison itself, than try to defend against Parcher's valid comparison with facts. You are saying something like this: "PARCHER, your argument has no merit, because you are making fun of Bigfooters in the same breath as you are declaring no cougar population exists in the Eastern United States, therefore you are wrong, and I don't have to provide evidence of a breeding population." I forget what this tactic is called, but I do think it is a known argument fallacy. |
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