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Old 19th September 2018, 08:19 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
I will launch a red alert for drakkars in our coasts!


Thanks for the wiki link. When I saw your comment, I was thinking more along these lines.

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Old 19th September 2018, 10:18 AM   #122
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Thanks for the wiki link. When I saw your comment, I was thinking more along these lines.


[derail]Well, they may need it, after so much rowing.[/derail]
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Old 19th September 2018, 10:19 AM   #123
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Me too! I wasn't familiar with the name drakkar in any other context, but it makes sense in this case.
The peaceful Faroese were received with open arms by the locals and their wives, but they never got to Miami because the trip across the Atlantic had taken longer (74 days) than expected. Gladys, two from left, is a Cuban friend of mine.
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Old 19th September 2018, 12:13 PM   #124
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Wow - that's impressive. Imagine how much further they could have gotten if their country wasn't a failed kleptocracy like Venezuela.
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Old 19th September 2018, 11:36 PM   #125
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The Faroe Islands are pretty independent of Denmark. (Hardly anybody outside of the islands understands their language.)
On their way to Cuba they had problems with an antenna and therefore had to stop in Las Palmas where the locals confused them with Finns. The Cubans called them Danes instead of Faroese.
Anyway, I don't think that the Faroese were included in Trish Regan's condemnation of the (alleged) Danish socialism ...
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Anyway, I don't think that the Faroese were included in Trish Regan's condemnation of the (alleged) Danish socialism ...
In spite of her posh(ish) education, I don't think she ever heard of those islands or can sort by continent 8 out of 10 countries randomly chosen. But she probably had her photo taken next to the Little Mermaid and The Bear and the Strawberry Tree, as she looks the typical "cerebral" person you stumble on in the Louvre next to La Gioconda.
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Old 20th September 2018, 07:33 AM   #127
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I'm not sure that she was ever here, but the whale lovers were!
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Old 28th October 2018, 12:15 AM   #128
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An American's comparison of Denmark and Jamaica:

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Old 29th October 2018, 02:15 PM   #129
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I bet Trish Regan will love this brand-new report from the White House: The Opportunity Costs of Socialism (Oct. 2018)

"The White House warns against 'Socialist' Denmark: 'It's difficult to take it seriously.'" (B.T., Oct. 29, 2018)
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Old 30th October 2018, 12:29 AM   #130
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Apparently Sweden, too, isn’t Venezuela: Pippi Longstocking and the ‘opportunity costs of socialism’ (AEIdeas, Oct. 24, 2018)
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Old 30th October 2018, 12:48 AM   #131
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Three articles about the new White House report, The Opportunity Costs of Socialism:

Maybe we should take Socialism seriously: A new White House report points to the well-known failures, but it doesn’t rebut demands for a better social safety net. (Bloomberg, Oct. 26, 2018)

The White House, definitely not scared of Socialism, issues report on why socialism is bad: Because Swedes can’t afford pickup trucks. Also because Stalin. (Vox, Oct. 23, 2018)

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The timing of the report, just ahead of the midterm elections, is not a coincidence, according to Jacob Kirkegaard, an economist working at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington DC.
“Socialism is a dirty word in the US and the goal here is to provide Republican activists some fodder they can feed their voters – particularly the younger generation, which has really hit the skids,” he told DR Nyheder.
White House report blasts Nordic socialism: ‘The Opportunity Costs of Socialism’ report claims that living standards are higher in the US than Denmark (CPH Post, Oct. 29, 2018)
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Old 30th October 2018, 01:03 AM   #132
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Two articles in Danish about the White House report:

6 claims about ‘Nordic Socialism’: Professor flunks Trump’s report (dr.dk, Oct. 30, 2018)

The White House warns against Nordic Socialism: Standards of living in the USA higher than in Denmark – Trump’s comparison of the USA and the Nordic countries isn’t true, says Danish economist (dr.dk, Oct. 28, 2018)
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Old 30th October 2018, 07:03 AM   #133
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Scandinavia = Venezuela?

The White House appears to have as much success with its report as Trish Regan had with hers:

The Socialists are coming! White House sounds alarm at the rise of the Left (The Guardian, Oct. 23, 2018)

Denmark dismisses White House socialism report as ”fake news” (CBS News, Oct. 29, 2018)

Another Thing Trump’s Anti-Socialist Report Gets Wrong - The White House's ridiculous anti-socialist report claims the Nordics have a lower standard of living than Americans. But when properly measured, Nordic consumption actually beats the US. (The Jacobin, Oct. 25, 2018)

Trump White House, lost in time warp, reports socialism is bad (Fast Company, Oct. 23, 2018)


ETA: An article about this theme in Common Dreams mentioned in another thread.
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Danish PM Challenges U.S. to a ’Competition’ over Who Has the ’Best Social Model,’ after White House Blasts Nordic Socialism (Newsweek, Oct. 30, 2018)

Danes Hit Trump Back After White House’s Economic Study Criticizing Socialism (College Media Network, Nov. 2, 2018)

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A person working at McDonald’s in the U.S. makes less than half of what a person working at McDonald’s in Denmark makes.

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And also in German: "Nordischer Sozialismus" – Trump-Regierung attackiert plötzlich Dänemark fürs Sozialsystem (Stern, Nov. 1, 2018)
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Old 30th November 2018, 07:24 AM   #135
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Bloody socialists!

Danmarks velstand er steget mere end USA's efter krisen (dr.dk, Nov. 28, 2018)

"Denmark's prosperity has increased more than that of the USA after the crisis"
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Marxists have criticized the White House report, The Opportunity Costs of Socialism:

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The dismissive attitude of the authors of the document towards Scandinavia, in any case, is very dishonest. They attempt to present living standards in the USA as superior to the Nordic countries. This is profoundly misleading. Although these countries are very far from being socialist, they are ahead of the USA in many respects, thanks to the conquests made by the labour movement in the past.

The Human Development Index, which includes things such as life expectancy, places the US at number 13 in the world, while Finland is 15. But Denmark 11, Sweden is 7, Iceland is 6, and Norway is number one. Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Finland all have a higher life expectancy than the USA.

What is very clear is that Nordic workers have more benefits, such as healthcare, education, and housing regulation. And although the average wage in the US is high, that masks the fact that it is very unequal, with low-paid workers having very little money compared to their Nordic counterparts. In addition, US workers have to work many more hours, or have more than one job, to stay afloat.
Trump's advisers slander socialism: a reply to White House lies (Marxist.org, Dec. 4, 2018)
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