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Old 6th April 2021, 12:17 PM   #41
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blah blah blah "not all trump supporters are racist" blah blah blah

I called it above. Waste of time.
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Old 6th April 2021, 12:17 PM   #42
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Scamming Republican voters is a reliable business model
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Old 6th April 2021, 12:30 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
Funny how the Trump supporters in my neck of the woods are Mexican-Americans whose grandparents or parents immigrated here.

Itís way more nuanced than the simplistic ďtheyíre racists!Ē narrative.

For example, there are people who have been trying to get their families immigrated legally, for years. Illegal immigrants are jumping the line in their view, committing a crime and being rewarded for it, while their families suffer trying to do the right thing.
Yes, I am sure there are a few "families recent immigrants who dislike queue-jumping illegal immigrants", but I think in the grand scheme of things, they make up a very tiny minority of the MAGAchud.

(And it doesn't absolve those people from holding views based on ignorance... even under Obama the U.S. did not have an 'open door policy'.)

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Look at another issue: healthcare. Many doctors donít like the ACA and the prospect of single-payer. That one issue is enough to throw their support behind anyone the GOP runs.
Except of course it was not the Democratic policy (in 2016 or 2020) to have "single payer". If they are voting Republican based on the lie that "Democrats are going to force everyone onto a government plan", then I think we can characterize them as ignorant at best, if not outright stupid.

Interesting argument... "I'm not stupid or deplorable, I'm just basing my voting decision on a lie that is extremely easy to fact-check".

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We are also a heavily religious area. Getting anti-abortion SCOTUS justices is a big issue.
Some people might consider it deplorable to try to force women to follow the rules of a specific religion they might not believe in themselves. (Same goes with the anti-homosexuality agenda that many evangelicals have.)

"I'm not deplorable... I just want to force everyone to follow the rules that my particular religious sect says are correct" does not compute.

Replace "I want anti-abortion judges" with "I want pro-sharia law judges" and see how people react.
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Old 6th April 2021, 12:34 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
Look at another issue: healthcare. Many doctors donít like the ACA and the prospect of single-payer. That one issue is enough to throw their support behind anyone the GOP runs.
It is outrageous that they can not refuse to treat people who have preexisting conditions anymore. They chose to get cancer and crap like that and they need to be held responsible for that decision.
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Well there are absolutely a myriad of reasons, both informed and uninformed, why a person would potentially support a political party.

But if you got scammed in a fundraiser by fine print and hidden check boxes and after all that still support the guy, you're kind of a dumbass.
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Old 6th April 2021, 12:44 PM   #46
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Well there are absolutely a myriad of reasons, both informed and uninformed, why a person would potentially support a political party.

But if you got scammed in a fundraiser by fine print and hidden check boxes and after all that still support the guy, you're kind of a dumbass.
Not to mention lack self-reflection
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Old 6th April 2021, 01:31 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
... I think we would all do well to stop dismissing the valid concerns people have and try engaging in a dialogue-but I know that’s never going to happen as long as both sides see each other as evil deplorable people.

I do think that the kind of thing detailed in the OP is going to hurt his support amongst people like this. But continuing to dismiss Trump supporters as stupid isn’t going to solve anything.
The problem with this is, their "valid concerns" are addressed by the Democrats but you wouldn't know it from the propaganda they are constantly bombarded with by the right wing echo chamber.

So what constitutes a valid concern?
Would that include the false belief the Democrats want to 'take away their guns'?

Does it include immigration reform that the GOP has blocked at every turn?

Does it include believing undocumented immigrants are responsible for a large amount of crime when stats show that isn't true?

Does it include falsely believing a wall the length of the southern border would be a successful deterrent to illegal border crossings?

Does it include forcing illegal immigrants into refugee camps in Mexico the way they are across the EU?

Does it include a fear that social safety nets are really socialism?

That AOC is some commie threat?

That climate change isn't important?

There is massive fraud in elections?
Where does addressing valid concerns come in when the GOP maintains a constant barrage of propaganda demonizing the Democrats and claiming they simply won't negotiate when the opposite is true?
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Old 6th April 2021, 01:57 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Scamming Republican voters is a reliable business model
That is a fact.

About all that a Republican politician has to do is say one, or more, of the following things in order to get a good bit of support from the Republican Party:

'The Democrats will take away our guns!'

'The Democrats are Communists!'

'The Democrats will kill babies!'

'The Democrats will destroy the economy with tax hikes!'

'The Democrats are for open borders!'

'God hates Democrats!'

and so on.
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Old 6th April 2021, 02:15 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
That is a fact.

About all that a Republican politician has to do is say one, or more, of the following things in order to get a good bit of support from the Republican Party:

'The Democrats will take away our guns!'

'The Democrats are Communists!'

'The Democrats will kill babies!'

'The Democrats will destroy the economy with tax hikes!'

'The Democrats are for open borders!'

'God hates Democrats!'

and so on.
Tbf, the third one isn't completely fleshed out.

The DemonRats will kill even more babies, in terms of abortions.

The DemonRats will kill babies and harvest their(the babies) Adrenochrome™, in terms of Adrenochrome™ harvesting.

ETA: they've also destroyed San Fran, Portland, Seattle, and New York with their BLM and Antifa stuff. In fact, all Demturd run cities are **** holes. FACT.

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Funny how the Trump supporters in my neck of the woods are Mexican-Americans whose grandparents or parents immigrated here.

Itís way more nuanced than the simplistic ďtheyíre racists!Ē narrative.
Actually, not entirely true. There is no reason for these immigrants NOT to be racist. Racism is not limited to any one country or ethnic population. It's just as prevalent everywhere, e.g. Japan and Korea.

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For example, there are people who have been trying to get their families immigrated legally, for years. Illegal immigrants are jumping the line in their view, committing a crime and being rewarded for it, while their families suffer trying to do the right thing. They are sympathetic to their plight and racism has nothing to do with their desire for better border control and immigration reform.
And again, this is about education. The misunderstanding stems from their notion there is "a queue" for would-be immigrants. There is no queue; that's the fallacy. As I understand it, all applicants are evaluated on their merits, and are processed as fast as their respective checking allows. Those with their ducks in a row will get processing finished sooner. In short, they don't know the system they are getting upset about.

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Still others see the issues caused by the influx of immigrants right here in our community. All those detention centers you see on the news? Thatís my city and others close by. This isnít an abstract issue for us. We are the front lines for the cartels and their drug and human trafficking. People here want action on border security.
Fair enough. So is the big beautiful wall doing anything at all to stop this? No? Never has? Things are getting worse? Is it a spectacularly expensive failure? Some other solutions are needed? Lesson learned yet?

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Look at another issue: healthcare. Many doctors donít like the ACA and the prospect of single-payer. That one issue is enough to throw their support behind anyone the GOP runs.
Simple question: Why? Could it be they don't know anything about it? Or that they have entirely incorrect notions of what it is? Are they prepared to learn more rather than blindly accept what Fox tells them?

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We are also a heavily religious area. Getting anti-abortion SCOTUS justices is a big issue.
Ninja'd. Are they pro sharia-law as well?

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So yeah, you can keep lumping these people into the deplorable basket. I get it, it makes it easy to dismiss them. I just think a better approach is to actually listen to them and see where there is common ground or, at least, that maybe they have some valid concerns. They arenít all racist and lost causes.
I don't think they are being lumped in order to dismiss them. They are being lumped because they choose to join others of similar attitudes of deliberate ignorance.
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Old 6th April 2021, 02:31 PM   #51
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Trump is paid on The Apprentice to judge other people's money making ability but when did he last come up with an idea of his own that made money? Bankrupted a few times and his business businesses losing money hand over fist
The anti-midas is undoubtedly blameless in this
Running for president in 2016, 2020 and teasing about running in 2024.

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Running for president in 2016, 2020 and teasing about running in 2024.
Which has had a typical outcome for a Trump business plan.

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is a Populist, and intelligent people shouldn't fall for that.
If they dislike Trump but supported him anyways, it was because they think they will gain personally - at the expense of others.
No actually informed person should have been able to make themselves believe that Trump would be a better President than Clinton.

i despise populism in any form ;the left wing version as well as the right wing version.
Populism is mob rule in the end, and that is never good.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Scamming Republican voters is a reliable business model
"A Fool And His Money Are Soon Parted"

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Which has had a typical outcome for a Trump business plan.
That only means he didn't make as much money as others, not that he lost money. He actually made billions while in office according to this Forbes article:

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But it seems certain that Trumpís businesses will accept more than $100 million in 2020. And that means that, even if his tenure ends in January 2021, Trump should still be the first president to literally rake in billions of dollars while serving in office.
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And again, this is about education. The misunderstanding stems from their notion there is "a queue" for would-be immigrants. There is no queue; that's the fallacy. As I understand it, all applicants are evaluated on their merits, and are processed as fast as their respective checking allows. Those with their ducks in a row will get processing finished sooner. In short, they don't know the system they are getting upset about.
Also noteworthy is that for many people there is no legal path to becoming a US citizen. If you do not have the right combination of education, skills, or family, pretty much the only way in is lucking out in a lottery (which Republicans hate). There is no paperwork to fill out, no line to get into, and no way to stay here legally.
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I think itís much more complicated than the explanations that have been presented thus far. Itís easy to dismiss people who support Trump as deplorable, stupid and gullible. Makes it so you donít have to think much about it. And yes, I think those adjectives do describe some Trump supporters, but I donít think it explains how 70+ million people voted for Trump. Devilís Advocate is close to the explanation but even then itís not quite so simple as ďTrump is a cult leader.Ē

I know Trump supporters who are doctors, lawyers, teachers, medical assistants, retail workers- professionals and non-professionals who are actually good people. They are my friends. Almost none of them actually like Trump. What they like is the fact that he is the only candidate that is speaking to the issues they have long been wanting politicians to speak about. Yes, he goes too far. But he wants to control the border, for example. We all know the wall is stupid but these people see the wall as a symbol for an actual policy to control the border. Trump, rightfully, got a lot of crap for his family separation policy and detention of immigrants. However, they see what is happening right now, in our own community as much worse. For them, itís simple: why doesnít Biden get crap for his handling of the situation? They see Trumpís handling as a bit heavy-handed but effective and there arenít many other alternatives right now. Bidenís handling of the situation proves that. What they want, at the end of the day is for there to be controlled immigration -a clear US policy that you canít just walk in here (or throw your kids over a border fence) and get released into our communities.

I think they have a point, but they are short sighted. They also donít want to send money to Mexico and Central America to improve things there so people donít have to run to the US. But Iím not about to call them deplorable or stupid, because itís really not. The people I know arenít all racists; in fact, most of them are from family who immigrated here themselves.

Itís much more nuanced than a simple dismissal. I think we would all do well to stop dismissing the valid concerns people have and try engaging in a dialogue-but I know thatís never going to happen as long as both sides see each other as evil deplorable people.

I do think that the kind of thing detailed in the OP is going to hurt his support amongst people like this. But continuing to dismiss Trump supporters as stupid isnít going to solve anything.
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yes, they are wrong. They actually think that their opposition to immigration depends on those things.

It doesn't. Those things are rationalizations to justify their racism.

You want to be worried about over-simplifying things, and I can appreciate the concern. But sometimes, you gotta just look at the obvious. I don't care that "not all are like that." That's pointless. The number that aren't is not significant.

The ones whose anti-immigration beliefs and other beliefs are rooted in racism are the ones who put him in power. Without the racists, Trump doesn't come anywhere close to be elected. Sure, any little thing could have swung the case in 2016, but I'm not talking about that. Without the racists who identify with him, he's not even in the discussion
I was trying to reconcile how it can be true that Trump supports in general can be motivated largely by racism (and there is a lot of data supporting that) with the existence of the people xjx388 was talking about. The big problem is I forgot to tie the element of 'wanting simple, obvious, and wrong solutions' with my main point which was...

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Well there are absolutely a myriad of reasons, both informed and uninformed, why a person would potentially support a political party.

But if you got scammed in a fundraiser by fine print and hidden check boxes and after all that still support the guy, you're kind of a dumbass.
...it is more salient to this grift that Trump supporters are a self-selecting group who tend to make only facile observations.

Did you all know that scam emails and the like put in different fonts and other mistakes not because they are inept, but to weed out people who would figure out the scam? They don't want everyone to respond to their scam because then they would waste time interacting with people who realize things are wrong and never send them money/information/etc.

And Trump supporters have already self-selected to be much more full of people who won't investigate things even to a minimal level. They are more likely to assume it would already be illegal to have automatic recurring donations. Or that Trump wouldn't do that. Or that a bank wouldn't allow that to happen.

The very characteristics that make them Trump supporters make them not only more likely to not notice and uncheck, but to not believe others when the issue is pointed out to them (FAKE NEWS!).

But one of those characteristics is not their racism this time (even though those characteristics also make them predisposed to falling for racism).
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And again, this is about education. The misunderstanding stems from their notion there is "a queue" for would-be immigrants. There is no queue; that's the fallacy. As I understand it, all applicants are evaluated on their merits, and are processed as fast as their respective checking allows. Those with their ducks in a row will get processing finished sooner. In short, they don't know the system they are getting upset about.
....

I don't think that's true. Every country has an annual quota of people who will be allowed to immigrate. That's the starting point. Then there are various visas for people in unusual situations or who have special skills or talents (Melania Trump was apparently admitted on an "Einstein" visa).
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43256318

The U.S. immigration system is enormously complex. Most generalizations are going to be wrong.
https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...immigrate.html
https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...rocessing.html
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I'm pretty sure the queue and quota are separate entities.

I'm pretty sure a married white couple, one a citizen and one not will get the non-citizen spouse a green card and then citizenship much more quickly than an Hispanic non-citizen spouse, even one with citizen kids.

Regardless of what is on paper.

Didn't Melania's parents get citizenship also? How were they able to jump the queue? Yes they are and they did.

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I'm pretty sure the queue and quota are separate entities.

I'm pretty sure a married white couple, one a citizen and one not will get the non-citizen spouse a green card and then citizenship much more quickly than an Hispanic non-citizen spouse, even one with citizen kids.

Regardless of what is on paper.

Didn't Melania's parents get citizenship also? How were they able to jump the queue?
That's kinda my point. There are lots of exceptions and loopholes. The quotas are for people who don't qualify for the exceptions.

Melania's parents apparently got green cards as the parents of a U.S. citizen: Melania, who became a citizen in 2006. They became citizens in 2018. But that's all pretty murky.
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/14/170121...p-parents-visa
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So while it is the case that the Trump approach of taking more money from you if you don't intentionally uncheck the hidden check-box is technically legal, I will just point out that they also took more money than they were allowed to take in terms of maximum campaign contributions.

Even if we grant that they were technically allowed to take more money from their donors, they had absolutely no authority to take more than the maximum campaign contribution.

I pointed this out above in comparison to Biden's campaign:

Biden: Some donors gave more than they were allowed to give, so the campaign had to give it back
Trump: Took more from donors than they were allowed to take.

Two completely different situations.
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I was trying to reconcile how it can be true that Trump supports in general can be motivated largely by racism (and there is a lot of data supporting that) with the existence of the people xjx388 was talking about. The big problem is I forgot to tie the element of 'wanting simple, obvious, and wrong solutions' with my main point which was...



...it is more salient to this grift that Trump supporters are a self-selecting group who tend to make only facile observations.

Did you all know that scam emails and the like put in different fonts and other mistakes not because they are inept, but to weed out people who would figure out the scam? They don't want everyone to respond to their scam because then they would waste time interacting with people who realize things are wrong and never send them money/information/etc.

And Trump supporters have already self-selected to be much more full of people who won't investigate things even to a minimal level. They are more likely to assume it would already be illegal to have automatic recurring donations. Or that Trump wouldn't do that. Or that a bank wouldn't allow that to happen.

The very characteristics that make them Trump supporters make them not only more likely to not notice and uncheck, but to not believe others when the issue is pointed out to them (FAKE NEWS!).

But one of those characteristics is not their racism this time (even though those characteristics also make them predisposed to falling for racism).
Yep, education. They have never been taught to ask questions, to be skeptical. To many of these "highly educated", education is how many facts they can stuff in their skull. It is not how to do critical thinking using those facts.
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Yep, education. They have never been taught to ask questions, to be skeptical. To many of these "highly educated", education is how many facts they can stuff in their skull. It is not how to do critical thinking using those facts.
Similar to what they think science is. Ask a Trump supporter what science is sometime. The answers address your point perfectly.
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Old 7th April 2021, 11:34 AM   #65
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Not to be outdone, the National Republican Congressional Committee apparently has a similar box on their fundraising form to opt out of recurring donations: unchecking it will supposedly leave them but no choice but to report the person to Toupee Fiasco as a DEFECTOR (caps lock theirs).

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Old 7th April 2021, 11:37 AM   #66
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It's a nice bookend to the Trump presidential era. When he was starting his campaign, he was plagued by the scandal of him ripping off gullible rubes that bought into his image as a genius businessman through the Trump University scam. He's ending his term with a scam that rips off gullible rubes that believed in him as the MAGA savior.
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Old 7th April 2021, 11:53 AM   #67
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Not to be outdone, the National Republican Congressional Committee apparently has a similar box on their fundraising form to opt out of recurring donations: unchecking it will supposedly leave them but no choice but to report the person to Toupee Fiasco as a DEFECTOR (caps lock theirs).
I had a phone call the other day that ended on an interesting note. It started with a fast talking woman saying "Hi, this is whatever her name was from the DNC." Without skipping a beat, she went into her fundraising spiel without me getting a word in. I wasn't even sure if it was recording or a real person. So I interjected with "Are you a real person or a robot?" In a snotty voice she responded "Well, obviously you aren't interested in helping Pres. Biden with his agenda blah blah...so I'll just remove you from our database," and hung up. Not a good way to fund raise.
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Old 7th April 2021, 12:24 PM   #68
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Not to be outdone, the National Republican Congressional Committee apparently has a similar box on their fundraising form to opt out of recurring donations: unchecking it will supposedly leave them but no choice but to report the person to Toupee Fiasco as a DEFECTOR (caps lock theirs).
I was donating through ActBlue last fall. I don't remember if the check box to do a recurring donation was checked by default, but I chose to do it. Each month I got a notification that my payment had been made. And then after the election, it was trivial for me to go in and stop payments. No one tried to trick me into doing recurring payments, and no one laid a guilt trip when I left.
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Old 7th April 2021, 12:55 PM   #69
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I had a phone call the other day that ended on an interesting note. It started with a fast talking woman saying "Hi, this is whatever her name was from the DNC." Without skipping a beat, she went into her fundraising spiel without me getting a word in. I wasn't even sure if it was recording or a real person. So I interjected with "Are you a real person or a robot?" In a snotty voice she responded "Well, obviously you aren't interested in helping Pres. Biden with his agenda blah blah...so I'll just remove you from our database," and hung up. Not a good way to fund raise.
I would be willing to bet that was a scam call.
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Old 7th April 2021, 01:17 PM   #70
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Reminds me of the people who let themselves be repeatedly fleeced by televangelists.
In many cases, they're almost certainly the same people.

That's been one of the biggest payoffs for the Republican strategy of pandering to Evangelicals - they've been indoctrinated since childhood to ignore reality and keep faith in the righteousness of their cause.
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I would be willing to bet that was a scam call.
Could have been. I never donate to anyone that contacts me. If I want to donate to something, I go to them.
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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote View Post
In many cases, they're almost certainly the same people.

That's been one of the biggest payoffs for the Republican strategy of pandering to Evangelicals - they've been indoctrinated since childhood to ignore reality and keep faith in the righteousness of their cause.
To question is the Devil's work.
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Old 7th April 2021, 02:57 PM   #73
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The plot thickens: Apparently the Republican Congressional Committee is using a similar practice, and if you happen to notice the pre-checked box and uncheck it, a message pops up advising that your defection to the radical left will be reported to Donald Trump.
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The political arm of House Republicans is deploying a prechecked box to enroll donors into repeating monthly donations ó and using ominous language to warn them of the consequences if they opt out: ďIf you UNCHECK this box, we will have to tell Trump youíre a DEFECTOR.Ē
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/07/u...ons-trump.html
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To question is the Devil's work.
JUST SAY NO TO LARNIN'!!
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Old 7th April 2021, 03:25 PM   #75
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I had a phone call the other day that ended on an interesting note. It started with a fast talking woman saying "Hi, this is whatever her name was from the DNC." Without skipping a beat, she went into her fundraising spiel without me getting a word in. I wasn't even sure if it was recording or a real person. So I interjected with "Are you a real person or a robot?" In a snotty voice she responded "Well, obviously you aren't interested in helping Pres. Biden with his agenda blah blah...so I'll just remove you from our database," and hung up. Not a good way to fund raise.
Or it was a fake organization altogether.

I'm annoyed at just how many different Democratic Party (claimed) organizations bombard my email. I want to scream at the dccc, get control of this if you want any money from me. At least put out a list verifying who they are and what their organizations are doing with the money they are raising.
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The plot thickens: Apparently the Republican Congressional Committee is using a similar practice, and if you happen to notice the pre-checked box and uncheck it, a message pops up advising that your defection to the radical left will be reported to Donald Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/07/u...ons-trump.html
I get that kind of come-on with some of the Democratic organization emails. They piss me off and I always delete them.

"I guess you support Trump then"
"Ginger doesn't want to support Democrats"
"Hard email to send...Goodbye Ginger"

...and so on. Some of them are quite rude, IMO. I can't believe that tactic gets results.

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I know what you mean. Last year I made a few donations - two to Bernie Sanders and one to the Democratic party. I then started getting many emails, all written in the National Enquirer headlines style.

I have to assume that these fundraising tactics show the lack of respect the major political parties have for voters. No wonder we are in trouble.

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I know what you mean. Last year I made a few donations - two to Bernie Sanders and one to the Democratic party. I then started getting many emails, all of written in the National Enquirer headlines style.

I have to assume that these fundraising tactics show the lack of respect the major political parties have for voters. No wonder we are in trouble.
It's a sad situation. But big data has taught people what fundraising works. Because I'm a regular across the political spectrum I get samples from all of them that makes my hair curl. It's sure a bad state of affairs.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I get that kind of come-on with some of the Democratic organization emails. They piss me off and I always delete them.

"I guess you support Trump then"
"Ginger doesn't want to support Democrats"
"Hard email to send...Goodbye Ginger"

...and so on. Some of them are quite rude, IMO. I can't believe that tactic gets results.
Do they threaten to report you to Joe Biden?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I get that kind of come-on with some of the Democratic organization emails. They piss me off and I always delete them.

"I guess you support Trump then"
"Ginger doesn't want to support Democrats"
"Hard email to send...Goodbye Ginger"

...and so on. Some of them are quite rude, IMO. I can't believe that tactic gets results.
Honestly, I would seriously wonder if they were from genuine donation sites. Those sorts of pressure tactics mixed with insults seem to be the realm of scam artists doing impressions.

Alternatively, it's some "oppo interference", a la Roger Stone style. Pretend to be the DNC, call prospective DNC donors, royally piss them off...fewer donations to the DNC plus misdirected anger. Result!
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