Ghislaine Maxwell - Page 3

Bob001 · 16th July 2020, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

OK. But I did say "rich enough". A bribe or two here and there. Rental or theft of a stealth helicopter. Pick up from an open area. Flight into international waters. Transfer to Liberian registered ship. And away we go. Is there anything that cannot be bought with money?

And, don't forget she "has" a lot of scandalous information on lots of important people who might be coerced to cooperate.

A "stealth" helicopter, if they even exist, would have a reduced radar signature. That wouldn't keep people from seeing it. And since she's locked up in Brooklyn, there's no open area. If anybody could have escaped, it would have been El Chapo. And he didn't.

arthwollipot · 16th July 2020, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

That's once you've established it was in Australia. Sure, once you start looking in Australia, it might not take long, but how do you know that's where to look?

If they're an Australian citizen, then the records would be here regardless of where the marriage actually took place. If they're not a citizen, then yeah you'd be right.

theprestige · 16th July 2020, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

If they're an Australian citizen, then the records would be here regardless of where the marriage actually took place. If they're not a citizen, then yeah you'd be right.

Wouldn't someone have to proactively register the marriage in Australia, and forward the records there?

I mean, if an Australian citizen gets married in the US, the officiant is going to file the records with their local jurisdiction. What's the process that guarantees Australia gets a copy of that filing?

arthwollipot · 16th July 2020, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Wouldn't someone have to proactively register the marriage in Australia, and forward the records there?

I mean, if an Australian citizen gets married in the US, the officiant is going to file the records with their local jurisdiction. What's the process that guarantees Australia gets a copy of that filing?

Honestly, I'm not sure. But I'm about 85% certain that it does somehow. If someone can demonstrate that I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

angrysoba · 16th July 2020, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

If they're an Australian citizen, then the records would be here regardless of where the marriage actually took place. If they're not a citizen, then yeah you'd be right.

Originally Posted by theprestige

Wouldn't someone have to proactively register the marriage in Australia, and forward the records there?

I mean, if an Australian citizen gets married in the US, the officiant is going to file the records with their local jurisdiction. What's the process that guarantees Australia gets a copy of that filing?

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Honestly, I'm not sure. But I'm about 85% certain that it does somehow. If someone can demonstrate that I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

I don't think it does happen that way. From what I understand from Australian citizens here in Japan, when they get married in Japan, and have kids here, they don't get automatically registered in Australia. How would they even know about the marriage and the kids unless someone tells them? Who would that be? It's definitely not the Japanese authorities as they don't do it for anyone else.

abaddon · 16th July 2020, 04:22 PM

Please can we all take a step back. This thread is ostensibly about Ghislaine Maxwell.

Now we are all discussing marriage law as applied in various jurisdictions and Ghislaine is entirely forgotten.

arthwollipot · 16th July 2020, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by abaddon

Please can we all take a step back. This thread is ostensibly about Ghislaine Maxwell.

Now we are all discussing marriage law as applied in various jurisdictions and Ghislaine is entirely forgotten.

Agreed.

abaddon · 16th July 2020, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Agreed.

Thanks.

Gord_in_Toronto · 16th July 2020, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

A "stealth" helicopter, if they even exist, would have a reduced radar signature. That wouldn't keep people from seeing it. And since she's locked up in Brooklyn, there's no open area. If anybody could have escaped, it would have been El Chapo. And he didn't.

A quick Google Maps check shows a nice large parking lot right in the centre of MDC Brooklyn and adjacency to the Hudson River. I've watched enough Hollywood movies to know that escape would be possible.

zooterkin · 16th July 2020, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

If they're an Australian citizen, then the records would be here regardless of where the marriage actually took place. If they're not a citizen, then yeah you'd be right.

Well, since Maxwell is not Australian, my point stands. Even if her husband were Australian, it’s just one of a couple hundred places to start searching for marriage records, in the absence of further information.

Matthew Ellard · 17th July 2020, 07:39 PM

I might be old fashioned but it seems the more obvious thing to do would be to search land titles of the New Hampshire property and if it is owned by a Limited Liability Company, determine the names of the directors, which is public information.

That may show if the LLC is a trustee company for a property trust and allow for discernment of Maxwell's assets for court directions.

Matthew Best · 18th July 2020, 12:37 PM

The property was bought by a company called Granite Reality, according to this website:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/Bradf...xwell-35143394

Our old friends Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman have filed paperwork to lobby on behalf of Granite Reality - you can see this here:

https://disclosurespreview.house.gov.../301185287.xml

However, as it's them I suspect they're just trying to inject themselves into a story for fun and/or profit. There's a Twitter thread about this here:

https://twitter.com/HKrassenstein/st...98284303810565

Granite Reality, which the prosecutor calls "a carefully anonymised LLC" in this Memoradum in Support of Detention was formed on 19th November 2019 and purchased the property in Bradford the following month. The manager of Granite is Boston lawyer, Jeffrey W. Roberts, who is also the registered agent for a second company, Hopley Yeaton, whose manager is named as “Scott Borgerson.” Both companies also share the same address in Boston - Roberts’ law firm.

Vixen · 20th July 2020, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by zooterkin

The surprise news is that she is apparently married, but won’t name her husband.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...effrey-epstein

Where was Prince Andrew last November?

She's too old for him.

Vixen · 20th July 2020, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

A quick Google Maps check shows a nice large parking lot right in the centre of MDC Brooklyn and adjacency to the Hudson River. I've watched enough Hollywood movies to know that escape would be possible.

I saw that film, 'Con Air':

Quote:

A number of inmates are being transferred to a new supermax prison, including mass murderer William "Billy Bedlam" Bedford, serial rapist John "Johnny 23" Baca, Black Guerrilla Family member Nathan "Diamond Dog" Jones, and criminal mastermind "Cyrus the Virus" Grissom. After taking off, affable inmate Joe "Pinball" Parker incites a riot as a distraction, releasing Grissom and Diamond Dog who lead the takeover of the plane. The hijacking inmates plot to land at Carson Airport as scheduled, pick up and transfer other prisoners, and then fly to a non-extradition country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Air

So, if Ghislaine can cause a few distractions and somehow get a message for her private helicopter and pilot to wince her up - and a few fellow felons awaiting trial - why, she could be on her way to Morocco [a no-extradition country] on Jeffery's old private jet. Audacious? Yes, but then so was Epstein's hanging stunt.

bruto · 20th July 2020, 07:58 AM

I think the celebrity culture is interesting. People seem to expect all sorts of cleverness and audacity from high profile people who turn out, on closer inspection, to be just ordinary folks with rich parents and self-assured arrogance. Maybe Maxwell just isn't all that competent.

SuburbanTurkey · 20th July 2020, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

I think the celebrity culture is interesting. People seem to expect all sorts of cleverness and audacity from high profile people who turn out, on closer inspection, to be just ordinary folks with rich parents and self-assured arrogance. Maybe Maxwell just isn't all that competent.

Maxwell's father was a suspected spook for the Israelis, so that adds a bit of intrigue your normal rich family might not have.

It's certainly fertile soil for conspiracy theories.

shuttlt · 20th July 2020, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Maxwell's father was a suspected spook for the Israelis

I thought Captain Bob was also linked to MI6, the CIA and the KGB?

Vixen · 20th July 2020, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by shuttlt

I thought Captain Bob was also linked to MI6, the CIA and the KGB?

Despite being one of the biggest crooks of all time in British history, six high up officials of Mossad attended his funeral which was presided over by a top Rabbi.

As for Epstein, the source of his money was Maxwell, with espionage written all over it, with Wexner as a front.

Epstein was a mediocre teacher, a mediocre financier who wasn't even qualified or licensed.

shuttlt · 20th July 2020, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Despite being one of the biggest crooks of all time in British history, six high up officials of Mossad attended his funeral which was presided over by a top Rabbi.

As for Epstein, the source of his money was Maxwell, with espionage written all over it, with Wexner as a front.

Epstein was a mediocre teacher, a mediocre financier who wasn't even qualified or licensed.

Now that I know he wasn't qualified or licensed my opinion of the man has taken quite a hit.

All of a sudden I'm imagining him as the financier equivalent of My Cousin Vinny and Ghislaine is Marissa Tomei. Hopefully the whole case rests on Ghislaine's knowledge of the rear axle of the '64 Skylark.

Gord_in_Toronto · 20th July 2020, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

I saw that film, 'Con Air':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Air

So, if Ghislaine can cause a few distractions and somehow get a message for her private helicopter and pilot to wince her up - and a few fellow felons awaiting trial - why, she could be on her way to Morocco [a no-extradition country] on Jeffery's old private jet. Audacious? Yes, but then so was Epstein's hanging stunt.

I think that would work. You just have to kidnap someone important as a hostage.

Vixen · 20th July 2020, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

I think that would work. You just have to kidnap someone important as a hostage.

<fx peeks over the parapet> Can I nominate Attorney General Wm Barr?

Can't send a bigger message than that.

In the meantime in the real world, does anyone think nothing much will happen between now and the impending trial this time next year? An escape attempt is certainly feasible. She has the contacts and the money.

Vixen · 21st July 2020, 11:22 PM

Donald Trump 'wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well'.

Quote:

When asked by a reporter whether he thought Maxwell would turn in the names of powerful people, Trump responded saying he 'hadn't been following it too much' but that he 'wishes her well'.

'I just wish her well frankly,' he said.

'I've met her numerous times over the years especially since I lived in Palm Beach and I guess they lived in Palm Beach.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ein-madam.html

LOL. In England to wish someone well is to hope to never cross their paths again.

"I wish him well. I wish him a strange kind of happiness...death" ~ Derek and Clive

JihadJane · 22nd July 2020, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

LOL. In England to wish someone well is to hope to never cross their paths again.

"I wish him well. I wish him a strange kind of happiness...death" ~ Derek and Clive

Didn't know that! When I said that to my ex maybe I was being more honest than I thought!

Lothian · 22nd July 2020, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by JihadJane

Didn't know that! When I said that to my ex maybe I was being more honest than I thought!

It generally doesn't mean that at all. In the UK we can take any compliment and by inflection and circumstances turn it into an ironic statement.

It really depends on who you are talking to and what you really think of them and also what the person hearing your phase understands about your feelings.

"You are so funny" can be meant literally and taken that way, meant literally but taken to be ironic. Said with irony but taken literally or taken in the way intended.

Jack by the hedge · 22nd July 2020, 03:08 AM

I agree. "I wish them well" can be warm and sincere, but as it's literally a farewell it can also imply "...but I'll have nothing further to do with them".

Bob001 · 22nd July 2020, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

I agree. "I wish them well" can be warm and sincere, but as it's literally a farewell it can also imply "...but I'll have nothing further to do with them".

There's nothing subtle about Trump. And watching the video makes it pretty clear that he meant what it sounded like. He could easily have said something like "I'm sure justice will prevail," or even "Like anyone else, she's entitled to the presumption of innocence," but he didn't.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-wish-her-well

Matthew Best · 28th July 2020, 08:06 AM

Virgin Islands government subpoenas multiple banks for Jeffrey Epstein's financial records [ABC News]

At least ten financial institutions -- including Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase and Citibank -- have been issued subpoenas in recent weeks from the office of USVI Attorney General Denise George, according to court filings reviewed by ABC News. The subpoenas seek account records, transaction details and communications concerning Epstein, his estate, and more than 30 corporations, trusts and nonprofit entities connected to him.

Earlier this month, the attorney general revealed in court filings that her office is also scrutinizing the alleged role of Ghislaine Maxwell in Epstein's operation. "The Government is and has been actively investigating Maxwell's participation in the criminal sex-trafficking and sexual abuse conduct of the Epstein Enterprise," wrote Ariel Smith, deputy attorney general of the USVI in a court filing on July 11.

carlitos · 28th July 2020, 08:38 AM

Ken White (pope hat on twitter) said:

Quote:

Try to live your life in a way so that Donald Trump never wishes you well

Vixen · 29th July 2020, 04:07 AM

From the POV of the devil's advocate (were I the counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell) I would advise that her bid to gag the victims from publicising their claims against her is the wrong strategy. Her best strategy is to let the sexual abuse of minors and trafficking thereof side be the main story and let the scandalous, titillating, salacious press focus on the SEX SEX SEX, whilst the big story of deep state corruption (top ranking politicians, attorneys, scientists, celebrities) and espionage/blackmail is buried beneath all the stories of her sordid activities on the massage tables.

Sex sells. Don't stop them, is what her advocate should be telling her.

RedStapler · 29th July 2020, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

From the POV of the devil's advocate (were I the counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell) I would advise that her bid to gag the victims from publicising their claims against her is the wrong strategy. Her best strategy is to let the sexual abuse of minors and trafficking thereof side be the main story and let the scandalous, titillating, salacious press focus on the SEX SEX SEX, whilst the big story of deep state corruption (top ranking politicians, attorneys, scientists, celebrities) and espionage/blackmail is buried beneath all the stories of her sordid activities on the massage tables.

Sex sells. Don't stop them, is what her advocate should be telling her.

Please don't assume just because you are very very very easy to trick, everybody else also is

Vixen · 29th July 2020, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by RedStapler

Please don't assume just because you are very very very easy to trick, everybody else also is

The Netflix film 'Filthy Rich' and Bradley Edward's [excellent] book, Relentless Pursuit focus solely on the sex. One of the victims was 22 years-old when she was procured for Epstein. Now that is an appalling tragedy for her and has ruined her life, but what about the elite cabals that funded Epstein and Maxwell in the first place?

Jack by the hedge · 29th July 2020, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

From the POV of the devil's advocate (were I the counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell) I would advise that her bid to gag the victims from publicising their claims against her is the wrong strategy. Her best strategy is to let the sexual abuse of minors and trafficking thereof side be the main story and let the scandalous, titillating, salacious press focus on the SEX SEX SEX, whilst the big story of deep state corruption (top ranking politicians, attorneys, scientists, celebrities) and espionage/blackmail is buried beneath all the stories of her sordid activities on the massage tables.

Sex sells. Don't stop them, is what her advocate should be telling her.

Your advice to someone facing trial for particular offences is that they should not attempt to minimise damaging publicity for those offences, but rather do the opposite? And your reasoning is that, since you assume all important people to be a giant cabal, collectively guilty of innumerable even greater crimes, then by making things as bad for herself as possible at her trial this will distract everyone from discussing the imagined wrongdoings of VIPs and celebrities who, I notice, aren't actually charged with anything. And presumably this self-sacrifice will somehow gain their gratitude in unspecified (but presumably unfair, corrupt and objectionable) ways.

I watched The Equaliser 2 last night and I thought the plot of that was totally absurd, but this puts it in perspective.

Belz... · 29th July 2020, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

From the POV of the devil's advocate (were I the counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell) I would advise that her bid to gag the victims from publicising their claims against her is the wrong strategy. Her best strategy is to let the sexual abuse of minors and trafficking thereof side be the main story and let the scandalous, titillating, salacious press focus on the SEX SEX SEX, whilst the big story of deep state corruption (top ranking politicians, attorneys, scientists, celebrities) and espionage/blackmail is buried beneath all the stories of her sordid activities on the massage tables.

Sex sells. Don't stop them, is what her advocate should be telling her.

You're not a real lawyer, are you?

Samson · 29th July 2020, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

You're not a real lawyer, are you?

Real lawyers have something called an .......ectomy

Vixen · 30th July 2020, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

You're not a real lawyer, are you?

Dash! I missed my vocation...

Matthew Best · 31st July 2020, 06:20 AM

The recently unsealed documents in the Maxwell case are available here:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...axwell/?page=7

SuburbanTurkey · 31st July 2020, 07:55 AM

Dershowitz having a normal one online insisting that it's actually cool and good he's name dropped as a child rapist in the Maxwell case.

Giordano · 31st July 2020, 08:23 AM

I think it is most likely that Trump “wishes her well” to signal that he is not her enemy, that he doesn’t wish to piss her off. No doubt there are a lot of important people who don’t wish to piss her off. Not that they all were involved in underage sex. Just that Epstein cultivated a large group of powerful people, wined and dined them, had them over to his private island, etc. and these folks would now very much prefer to be left out of any testimony Maxwell provides.

If I was in that position I would certainly avoid making public declarations of how despicable Maxwell is; why tempt her to retaliate?

Belz... · 31st July 2020, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Giordano

I think it is most likely that Trump “wishes her well” to signal that he is not her enemy, that he doesn’t wish to piss her off.

That was a conclusion that made the rounds on Twitter.

Darat · 31st July 2020, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Giordano

I think it is most likely that Trump “wishes her well” to signal that he is not her enemy, that he doesn’t wish to piss her off. No doubt there are a lot of important people who don’t wish to piss her off. Not that they all were involved in underage sex. Just that Epstein cultivated a large group of powerful people, wined and dined them, had them over to his private island, etc. and these folks would now very much prefer to be left out of any testimony Maxwell provides.

If I was in that position I would certainly avoid making public declarations of how despicable Maxwell is; why tempt her to retaliate?

That is applying too much credit to his ability to rationally think about something. She is part of "his" social circle, therefore she is a good person regardless of anything else.

16th July 2020, 03:19 PM	#82
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 71,033	Originally Posted by zooterkin That's once you've established it was in Australia. Sure, once you start looking in Australia, it might not take long, but how do you know that's where to look? If they're an Australian citizen, then the records would be here regardless of where the marriage actually took place. If they're not a citizen, then yeah you'd be right.
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16th July 2020, 03:43 PM	#84
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 71,033	Originally Posted by theprestige Wouldn't someone have to proactively register the marriage in Australia, and forward the records there? I mean, if an Australian citizen gets married in the US, the officiant is going to file the records with their local jurisdiction. What's the process that guarantees Australia gets a copy of that filing? Honestly, I'm not sure. But I'm about 85% certain that it does somehow. If someone can demonstrate that I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.
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16th July 2020, 03:59 PM	#85
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,608	Originally Posted by arthwollipot If they're an Australian citizen, then the records would be here regardless of where the marriage actually took place. If they're not a citizen, then yeah you'd be right. Originally Posted by theprestige Wouldn't someone have to proactively register the marriage in Australia, and forward the records there? I mean, if an Australian citizen gets married in the US, the officiant is going to file the records with their local jurisdiction. What's the process that guarantees Australia gets a copy of that filing? Originally Posted by arthwollipot Honestly, I'm not sure. But I'm about 85% certain that it does somehow. If someone can demonstrate that I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I don't think it does happen that way. From what I understand from Australian citizens here in Japan, when they get married in Japan, and have kids here, they don't get automatically registered in Australia. How would they even know about the marriage and the kids unless someone tells them? Who would that be? It's definitely not the Japanese authorities as they don't do it for anyone else.
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16th July 2020, 04:22 PM	#86
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,470	Please can we all take a step back. This thread is ostensibly about Ghislaine Maxwell. Now we are all discussing marriage law as applied in various jurisdictions and Ghislaine is entirely forgotten.
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16th July 2020, 04:39 PM	#87
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 71,033	Originally Posted by abaddon Please can we all take a step back. This thread is ostensibly about Ghislaine Maxwell. Now we are all discussing marriage law as applied in various jurisdictions and Ghislaine is entirely forgotten. Agreed.
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16th July 2020, 11:40 AM	#81
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,989	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto OK. But I did say "rich enough". A bribe or two here and there. Rental or theft of a stealth helicopter. Pick up from an open area. Flight into international waters. Transfer to Liberian registered ship. And away we go. Is there anything that cannot be bought with money? And, don't forget she "has" a lot of scandalous information on lots of important people who might be coerced to cooperate. A "stealth" helicopter, if they even exist, would have a reduced radar signature. That wouldn't keep people from seeing it. And since she's locked up in Brooklyn, there's no open area. If anybody could have escaped, it would have been El Chapo. And he didn't.

16th July 2020, 03:38 PM	#83
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 50,616	Originally Posted by arthwollipot If they're an Australian citizen, then the records would be here regardless of where the marriage actually took place. If they're not a citizen, then yeah you'd be right. Wouldn't someone have to proactively register the marriage in Australia, and forward the records there? I mean, if an Australian citizen gets married in the US, the officiant is going to file the records with their local jurisdiction. What's the process that guarantees Australia gets a copy of that filing?

16th July 2020, 05:47 PM	#88
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 21,470	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Agreed. Thanks.
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16th July 2020, 07:32 PM	#89
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	Originally Posted by Bob001 A "stealth" helicopter, if they even exist, would have a reduced radar signature. That wouldn't keep people from seeing it. And since she's locked up in Brooklyn, there's no open area. If anybody could have escaped, it would have been El Chapo. And he didn't. A quick Google Maps check shows a nice large parking lot right in the centre of MDC Brooklyn and adjacency to the Hudson River. I've watched enough Hollywood movies to know that escape would be possible.
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16th July 2020, 09:17 PM	#90
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 48,833	Originally Posted by arthwollipot If they're an Australian citizen, then the records would be here regardless of where the marriage actually took place. If they're not a citizen, then yeah you'd be right. Well, since Maxwell is not Australian, my point stands. Even if her husband were Australian, it’s just one of a couple hundred places to start searching for marriage records, in the absence of further information.
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17th July 2020, 07:39 PM	#91
Matthew Ellard Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,029	I might be old fashioned but it seems the more obvious thing to do would be to search land titles of the New Hampshire property and if it is owned by a Limited Liability Company, determine the names of the directors, which is public information. That may show if the LLC is a trustee company for a property trust and allow for discernment of Maxwell's assets for court directions.

18th July 2020, 12:37 PM	#92
Matthew Best Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 8,444	The property was bought by a company called Granite Reality, according to this website: https://www.concordmonitor.com/Bradf...xwell-35143394 Our old friends Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman have filed paperwork to lobby on behalf of Granite Reality - you can see this here: https://disclosurespreview.house.gov.../301185287.xml However, as it's them I suspect they're just trying to inject themselves into a story for fun and/or profit. There's a Twitter thread about this here: https://twitter.com/HKrassenstein/st...98284303810565 Granite Reality, which the prosecutor calls "a carefully anonymised LLC" in this Memoradum in Support of Detention was formed on 19th November 2019 and purchased the property in Bradford the following month. The manager of Granite is Boston lawyer, Jeffrey W. Roberts, who is also the registered agent for a second company, Hopley Yeaton, whose manager is named as “Scott Borgerson.” Both companies also share the same address in Boston - Roberts’ law firm.

20th July 2020, 06:58 AM	#93
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,584	Originally Posted by zooterkin The surprise news is that she is apparently married, but won’t name her husband. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...effrey-epstein Where was Prince Andrew last November? She's too old for him.
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20th July 2020, 07:10 AM	#94
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,584	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto A quick Google Maps check shows a nice large parking lot right in the centre of MDC Brooklyn and adjacency to the Hudson River. I've watched enough Hollywood movies to know that escape would be possible. I saw that film, 'Con Air': Quote: A number of inmates are being transferred to a new supermax prison, including mass murderer William "Billy Bedlam" Bedford, serial rapist John "Johnny 23" Baca, Black Guerrilla Family member Nathan "Diamond Dog" Jones, and criminal mastermind "Cyrus the Virus" Grissom. After taking off, affable inmate Joe "Pinball" Parker incites a riot as a distraction, releasing Grissom and Diamond Dog who lead the takeover of the plane. The hijacking inmates plot to land at Carson Airport as scheduled, pick up and transfer other prisoners, and then fly to a non-extradition country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Air So, if Ghislaine can cause a few distractions and somehow get a message for her private helicopter and pilot to wince her up - and a few fellow felons awaiting trial - why, she could be on her way to Morocco [a no-extradition country] on Jeffery's old private jet. Audacious? Yes, but then so was Epstein's hanging stunt.
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20th July 2020, 07:58 AM	#95
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 28,215	I think the celebrity culture is interesting. People seem to expect all sorts of cleverness and audacity from high profile people who turn out, on closer inspection, to be just ordinary folks with rich parents and self-assured arrogance. Maybe Maxwell just isn't all that competent.
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20th July 2020, 08:03 AM	#96
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,495	Originally Posted by bruto I think the celebrity culture is interesting. People seem to expect all sorts of cleverness and audacity from high profile people who turn out, on closer inspection, to be just ordinary folks with rich parents and self-assured arrogance. Maybe Maxwell just isn't all that competent. Maxwell's father was a suspected spook for the Israelis, so that adds a bit of intrigue your normal rich family might not have. It's certainly fertile soil for conspiracy theories.
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20th July 2020, 08:31 AM	#97
shuttlt Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,314	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Maxwell's father was a suspected spook for the Israelis I thought Captain Bob was also linked to MI6, the CIA and the KGB?
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20th July 2020, 12:09 PM	#98
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,584	Originally Posted by shuttlt I thought Captain Bob was also linked to MI6, the CIA and the KGB? Despite being one of the biggest crooks of all time in British history, six high up officials of Mossad attended his funeral which was presided over by a top Rabbi. As for Epstein, the source of his money was Maxwell, with espionage written all over it, with Wexner as a front. Epstein was a mediocre teacher, a mediocre financier who wasn't even qualified or licensed.
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20th July 2020, 12:26 PM	#99
shuttlt Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,314	Originally Posted by Vixen Despite being one of the biggest crooks of all time in British history, six high up officials of Mossad attended his funeral which was presided over by a top Rabbi. As for Epstein, the source of his money was Maxwell, with espionage written all over it, with Wexner as a front. Epstein was a mediocre teacher, a mediocre financier who wasn't even qualified or licensed. Now that I know he wasn't qualified or licensed my opinion of the man has taken quite a hit. All of a sudden I'm imagining him as the financier equivalent of My Cousin Vinny and Ghislaine is Marissa Tomei. Hopefully the whole case rests on Ghislaine's knowledge of the rear axle of the '64 Skylark.
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20th July 2020, 07:56 PM	#100
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	Originally Posted by Vixen I saw that film, 'Con Air': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Air So, if Ghislaine can cause a few distractions and somehow get a message for her private helicopter and pilot to wince her up - and a few fellow felons awaiting trial - why, she could be on her way to Morocco [a no-extradition country] on Jeffery's old private jet. Audacious? Yes, but then so was Epstein's hanging stunt. I think that would work. You just have to kidnap someone important as a hostage.
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20th July 2020, 10:51 PM	#101
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,584	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto I think that would work. You just have to kidnap someone important as a hostage. <fx peeks over the parapet> Can I nominate Attorney General Wm Barr? Can't send a bigger message than that. In the meantime in the real world, does anyone think nothing much will happen between now and the impending trial this time next year? An escape attempt is certainly feasible. She has the contacts and the money.
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21st July 2020, 11:22 PM	#102
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,584	Donald Trump 'wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well'. Quote: When asked by a reporter whether he thought Maxwell would turn in the names of powerful people, Trump responded saying he 'hadn't been following it too much' but that he 'wishes her well'. 'I just wish her well frankly,' he said. 'I've met her numerous times over the years especially since I lived in Palm Beach and I guess they lived in Palm Beach.' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ein-madam.html LOL. In England to wish someone well is to hope to never cross their paths again. "I wish him well. I wish him a strange kind of happiness...death" ~ Derek and Clive
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22nd July 2020, 02:06 AM	#103
JihadJane not a camel Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 77,553	Originally Posted by Vixen LOL. In England to wish someone well is to hope to never cross their paths again. "I wish him well. I wish him a strange kind of happiness...death" ~ Derek and Clive Didn't know that! When I said that to my ex maybe I was being more honest than I thought!
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22nd July 2020, 02:57 AM	#104
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 16,222	Originally Posted by JihadJane Didn't know that! When I said that to my ex maybe I was being more honest than I thought! It generally doesn't mean that at all. In the UK we can take any compliment and by inflection and circumstances turn it into an ironic statement. It really depends on who you are talking to and what you really think of them and also what the person hearing your phase understands about your feelings. "You are so funny" can be meant literally and taken that way, meant literally but taken to be ironic. Said with irony but taken literally or taken in the way intended.

22nd July 2020, 03:08 AM	#105
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,977	I agree. "I wish them well" can be warm and sincere, but as it's literally a farewell it can also imply "...but I'll have nothing further to do with them".

22nd July 2020, 12:39 PM	#106
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,989	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge I agree. "I wish them well" can be warm and sincere, but as it's literally a farewell it can also imply "...but I'll have nothing further to do with them". There's nothing subtle about Trump. And watching the video makes it pretty clear that he meant what it sounded like. He could easily have said something like "I'm sure justice will prevail," or even "Like anyone else, she's entitled to the presumption of innocence," but he didn't. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-wish-her-well

28th July 2020, 08:06 AM	#107
Matthew Best Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 8,444	Virgin Islands government subpoenas multiple banks for Jeffrey Epstein's financial records [ABC News] At least ten financial institutions -- including Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase and Citibank -- have been issued subpoenas in recent weeks from the office of USVI Attorney General Denise George, according to court filings reviewed by ABC News. The subpoenas seek account records, transaction details and communications concerning Epstein, his estate, and more than 30 corporations, trusts and nonprofit entities connected to him. Earlier this month, the attorney general revealed in court filings that her office is also scrutinizing the alleged role of Ghislaine Maxwell in Epstein's operation. "The Government is and has been actively investigating Maxwell's participation in the criminal sex-trafficking and sexual abuse conduct of the Epstein Enterprise," wrote Ariel Smith, deputy attorney general of the USVI in a court filing on July 11.

28th July 2020, 08:38 AM	#108
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA! USA! Posts: 22,860	Ken White (pope hat on twitter) said: Quote: Try to live your life in a way so that Donald Trump never wishes you well

29th July 2020, 04:07 AM	#109
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,584	From the POV of the devil's advocate (were I the counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell) I would advise that her bid to gag the victims from publicising their claims against her is the wrong strategy. Her best strategy is to let the sexual abuse of minors and trafficking thereof side be the main story and let the scandalous, titillating, salacious press focus on the SEX SEX SEX, whilst the big story of deep state corruption (top ranking politicians, attorneys, scientists, celebrities) and espionage/blackmail is buried beneath all the stories of her sordid activities on the massage tables. Sex sells. Don't stop them, is what her advocate should be telling her.
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29th July 2020, 04:12 AM	#110
RedStapler Guest Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 839	Originally Posted by Vixen From the POV of the devil's advocate (were I the counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell) I would advise that her bid to gag the victims from publicising their claims against her is the wrong strategy. Her best strategy is to let the sexual abuse of minors and trafficking thereof side be the main story and let the scandalous, titillating, salacious press focus on the SEX SEX SEX, whilst the big story of deep state corruption (top ranking politicians, attorneys, scientists, celebrities) and espionage/blackmail is buried beneath all the stories of her sordid activities on the massage tables. Sex sells. Don't stop them, is what her advocate should be telling her. Please don't assume just because you are very very very easy to trick, everybody else also is
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29th July 2020, 04:17 AM	#111
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,584	Originally Posted by RedStapler Please don't assume just because you are very very very easy to trick, everybody else also is The Netflix film 'Filthy Rich' and Bradley Edward's [excellent] book, Relentless Pursuit focus solely on the sex. One of the victims was 22 years-old when she was procured for Epstein. Now that is an appalling tragedy for her and has ruined her life, but what about the elite cabals that funded Epstein and Maxwell in the first place?
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29th July 2020, 04:58 AM	#112
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,977	Originally Posted by Vixen From the POV of the devil's advocate (were I the counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell) I would advise that her bid to gag the victims from publicising their claims against her is the wrong strategy. Her best strategy is to let the sexual abuse of minors and trafficking thereof side be the main story and let the scandalous, titillating, salacious press focus on the SEX SEX SEX, whilst the big story of deep state corruption (top ranking politicians, attorneys, scientists, celebrities) and espionage/blackmail is buried beneath all the stories of her sordid activities on the massage tables. Sex sells. Don't stop them, is what her advocate should be telling her. Your advice to someone facing trial for particular offences is that they should not attempt to minimise damaging publicity for those offences, but rather do the opposite? And your reasoning is that, since you assume all important people to be a giant cabal, collectively guilty of innumerable even greater crimes, then by making things as bad for herself as possible at her trial this will distract everyone from discussing the imagined wrongdoings of VIPs and celebrities who, I notice, aren't actually charged with anything. And presumably this self-sacrifice will somehow gain their gratitude in unspecified (but presumably unfair, corrupt and objectionable) ways. I watched The Equaliser 2 last night and I thought the plot of that was totally absurd, but this puts it in perspective.

29th July 2020, 05:24 AM	#113
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,065	Originally Posted by Vixen From the POV of the devil's advocate (were I the counsel for Ghislaine Maxwell) I would advise that her bid to gag the victims from publicising their claims against her is the wrong strategy. Her best strategy is to let the sexual abuse of minors and trafficking thereof side be the main story and let the scandalous, titillating, salacious press focus on the SEX SEX SEX, whilst the big story of deep state corruption (top ranking politicians, attorneys, scientists, celebrities) and espionage/blackmail is buried beneath all the stories of her sordid activities on the massage tables. Sex sells. Don't stop them, is what her advocate should be telling her. You're not a real lawyer, are you?
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29th July 2020, 05:28 AM	#114
Samson Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,485	Originally Posted by Belz... You're not a real lawyer, are you? Real lawyers have something called an .......ectomy
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30th July 2020, 05:55 AM	#115
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,584	Originally Posted by Belz... You're not a real lawyer, are you? Dash! I missed my vocation...
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