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Old 29th March 2021, 11:55 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
That he would never have been charged with in the first place.
Indeed. A ticket at most.
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Old 29th March 2021, 11:59 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Has the defense got to the part where they tell the jury that Floyd was a smoker with the China flu, 75% blockage in multiple arteries and 90% blockage in one, his lungs were so full of fluid that they weighed 2.5 times what they should have, where he had 11 ng of fentanyl in his system when 5 ng can be lethal?

Also, have they shown the officer's body cam footage where Floyd can be seen with something white, possibly drugs, on his tongue before he was pulled out of the vehicle?

Can we go ahead and start burning down cities now?
How about you watch the trial instead of posting attention seeking nonsense just for some replies?

People still use China Flu? Goes to show the collective intelligence of America.
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Or just the person that used it.
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Has the defense got to the part where they tell the jury that Floyd was a smoker with the China flu, 75% blockage in multiple arteries and 90% blockage in one, his lungs were so full of fluid that they weighed 2.5 times what they should have, where he had 11 ng of fentanyl in his system when 5 ng can be lethal?

Also, have they shown the officer's body cam footage where Floyd can be seen with something white, possibly drugs, on his tongue before he was pulled out of the vehicle?

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Old 29th March 2021, 12:39 PM   #85
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It should be noted that he took percocet according to the witnesses in his car, per the prosecution.

Anyone know what the effects of percocet are?

protip: It isn't violence, it's barely conscious. In fact, he fell asleep twice in the car while those same people attempted to wake him.
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Old 29th March 2021, 12:41 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
Has the defense got to the part where they tell the jury that Floyd was a smoker with the China flu, 75% blockage in multiple arteries and 90% blockage in one, his lungs were so full of fluid that they weighed 2.5 times what they should have, where he had 11 ng of fentanyl in his system when 5 ng can be lethal?
It's still a crime to murder black people when they are sick.

It's okay, sit down, put your head between your needs I know that was probably very shocking for you.
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Old 29th March 2021, 01:17 PM   #87
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Has the defense got to the part where they tell the jury that Floyd was a smoker with the China flu, 75% blockage in multiple arteries and 90% blockage in one, his lungs were so full of fluid that they weighed 2.5 times what they should have, where he had 11 ng of fentanyl in his system when 5 ng can be lethal?

Also, have they shown the officer's body cam footage where Floyd can be seen with something white, possibly drugs, on his tongue before he was pulled out of the vehicle?
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You don't seem to get that this is no defense of the cops. If Floyd was in medical crisis, that is all the more reason that the cops should have helped him, instead of crushing his throat. Cops deal with people every day who are drunk or drugged. They rarely kill them, especially after they are handcuffed and under complete control.
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Old 29th March 2021, 01:35 PM   #88
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Yeah, the guy was no angel and had health problems. He TOTALLY deserved having a knee in his neck for 9 minutes. Obviously.
Sounds like the cop should have been fired and charged with assault.

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All for a misdemeanor 20 buck fake bill.
You must've missed the resisting arrest part. You know, when he was still in the police vehicle saying "I can't breathe."
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You must've missed the resisting arrest part
You also can't murder black people for passively resisting arrest.

Again I know this is shocking for you.
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Old 29th March 2021, 01:52 PM   #90
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You also can't murder black people for passively resisting arrest.

Again I know this is shocking for you.
Past precedent seems pretty clear you can. Chauvin may actually get convicted, but that may only because this murder was especially egregious. The killing of Eric Garner is a case with a lot of similarities, though the strangulation death of Garner was not nearly as prolonged as in this case. The cops got away with murdering Garner, and they may very well get away with murdering Floyd, and the probably will continue to get away with future in-custody killings.

Killing black people in custody with excessive force is something the cops get away with a lot in this country, and they may get away with it again here because we're a nation of bootlickers.

There's a sliver of hope that there might be real justice here, but I'm not doing a victory dance yet.

Even if Chauvin is convicted of murder, I very much doubt it will be a watershed moment. This particular police murder was especially sadistic. This jury may not be able to stomach a not-guilty for someone that slowly crushed the life out of handcuffed man, but I wouldn't be so sure that speaks more broadly to less absurdly grotesque police killings via excessive force.
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Old 29th March 2021, 02:40 PM   #91
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You must've missed the resisting arrest part. You know, when he was still in the police vehicle saying "I can't breathe."
Was he resisting arrest? Or having a panic attack? Or a drug reaction that required medical attention? One video shows him cooperating with the cops and sitting quietly on a step while they decide what to do with him. He never fought with the cops, which is what people usually mean by "resisting arrest." He did nothing to deserve being killed.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
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Even if Chauvin is convicted of murder, I very much doubt it will be a watershed moment. This particular police murder was especially sadistic. This jury may not be able to stomach a not-guilty for someone that slowly crushed the life out of handcuffed man, but I wouldn't be so sure that speaks more broadly to less absurdly grotesque police killings via excessive force.
At some point one (more) of these trials will end in a murder conviction and other police will get the message. At some point these cops will learn there are cameras everywhere, time to stop lying on every police report where they injure someone, or falsely arrest someone.

There will be a point.
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At some point one (more) of these trials will end in a murder conviction and other police will get the message. At some point these cops will learn there are cameras everywhere, time to stop lying on every police report where they injure someone, or falsely arrest someone.

There will be a point.
They know. In the Chauvin case, people were videoing them in plain view. They knew there were city security cameras on lamp posts. Some of the cops were wearing body cams. They just don't care.
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Mr. Williams, the martial-arts expert, was a hell of a witness. He described very well what Officer Chauvin was doing and why. Compelling witness.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Killing black people in custody with excessive force is something the cops get away with a lot in this country, and they may get away with it again here because we're a nation of bootlickers.


The people on the jury "may let him get away with it" after seeing all of the evidence and deciding that Floyd died from a drug overdose instead of making their decision based on the color of his skin. I know it's a difficult concept for you to understand, but it could happen.
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The people on the jury "may let him get away with it" after seeing all of the evidence and deciding that Floyd died from a drug overdose instead of making their decision based on the color of his skin. I know it's a difficult concept for you to understand, but it could happen.
Yet no matter Floyd's health, Chauvin actively worked to end his life by keeping carotid pressure on after no pulse was detected. That's straight up murder, Jack. It doesn't matter if Floyd was gasping his last breaths; Chauvin made sure they came sooner, and without opportunity to administer aid.
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They know. In the Chauvin case, people were videoing them in plain view. They knew there were city security cameras on lamp posts. Some of the cops were wearing body cams. They just don't care.
Yes, I know they knew. My point was more general than this one case.
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No matter what the defense says about Floyd being on drugs, Chauvin cannot explain why he kept his knee on Floyd instead of getting him up (there were 4 cops there) and putting him in one of the vehicles.
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The people on the jury "may let him get away with it" after seeing all of the evidence and deciding that Floyd died from a drug overdose
The ME disagrees with you, and they're a professional that examined the body. You are wrong in every way you can be, repeatedly.

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instead of making their decision based on the color of his skin. I know it's a difficult concept for you to understand, but it could happen.
The only person I'm seeing deciding this case based on the color of skin is you. You're the one that just brought it up.

Take the racial component out completely.

If you have a turquoise man kneeling on the neck of another turquoise man until that man stops moving all together, and then, with no regard, the first turquoise man continues to kneel for minutes afterwards. Even if the second turquoise man only had 50 minutes left in his natural life and instead he died of cardiac arrest from drug overdose due to snorting an entire kilo of the best coke on Earth, in his living room...the first turquoise man still took 50 minutes of life from the second turquoise man, and taking a life is murder.

Taking race out of it completely doesn't fix it. It doesn't make it better. If somehow you rationalize that Chauvin was in the right to do it in the first place (he wasn't) it still becomes murder when he refuses to remove his knee from Floyd's neck. He still made that decision that caused Floyd's death.
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Apparently the defense lawyer claimed that all the bystanders begging for Floyd's life were so noisy and threatening to the cops that it distracted them from the competent performance of their duties. I've heard about blaming the victim, but blaming the witnesses must be a new low.
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The people on the jury "may let him get away with it" after seeing all of the evidence and deciding that Floyd died from a drug overdose instead of making their decision based on the color of his skin. I know it's a difficult concept for you to understand, but it could happen.
The question for the jury is whether Floyd would have died from any other cause when he did if Chauvin had not crushed his neck for what turns out to be 9 minutes and 29 seconds. All of the evidence is that he would not, especially the police had provided prompt medical attention. You don't get to kill somebody even if he's dying.
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Apparently the defense lawyer claimed that all the bystanders begging for Floyd's life were so noisy and threatening to the cops that it distracted them from the competent performance of their duties. I've heard about blaming the victim, but blaming the witnesses must be a new low.
Man, many more new lows in store, too. Seems all the much-vaunted "values" went on discount at Walmart in the 80s and sold out decades ago, assuming they were ever there in substance.
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Apparently the defense lawyer claimed that all the bystanders begging for Floyd's life were so noisy and threatening to the cops that it distracted them from the competent performance of their duties. I've heard about blaming the victim, but blaming the witnesses must be a new low.
Prediction: we are now seeing the highest points of the hitherto unplumbed depths to which the defense will descend.
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Ah, but the crowd is clearly in the picture or the audio and it is obvious they were not interfering. If the prosecution plays that one right it goes toward Chauvin's contempt of cop motive. **** you bystanders, dare to tell me what to do and I'll show you who is in charge here by not stopping.

They really need to take this guy off the street.
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This witness testimony is certainly incriminating: NPR: Minneapolis 911 Dispatcher Testifies: 'Something Was Wrong'
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"My instincts were telling me that something was wrong. Something wasn't right," Scurry, who had a view of the interior of the squad car from which Floyd was dragged, said. "It was an extended period of time. ... They hadn't told me if they needed more resources."

She added: "I don't know if they had to use force or not. They got something out of the back of the squad, and all of them sat on this man. So I don't know if they needed to or not, but they haven't said anything to me yet."

After watching the live video feed for several minutes, Scurry called the sergeant in charge of the officers, saying, "I don't want to be a snitch," then reported what she was seeing on her screen.

When asked, she said she'd never done anything like that before.
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Ah, but the crowd is clearly in the picture or the audio and it is obvious they were not interfering. If the prosecution plays that one right it goes toward Chauvin's contempt of cop motive. **** you bystanders, dare to tell me what to do and I'll show you who is in charge here by not stopping.

They really need to take this guy off the street.
You understand he was fired last year, right? The issue now is whether -- and for how long -- he goes to prison.
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You understand he was fired last year, right? The issue now is whether -- and for how long -- he goes to prison.
cops fired in one place are habitually hired in another place, since the reasons for their dismissal are usually sealed.
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cops fired in one place are habitually hired in another place, since the reasons for their dismissal are usually sealed.
Are they - didn’t realise that. I thought it was because other forces weren’t bothered.
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The people on the jury "may let him get away with it" after seeing all of the evidence and deciding that Floyd died from a drug overdose instead of making their decision based on the color of his skin. I know it's a difficult concept for you to understand, but it could happen.
Maybe they should posthumously charge Floyd with having made a policeman kneel on his neck and causing him to look bad, making him lose his job an'all.
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Take the racial component out completely.

If we did that, hardly anyone would know who George Floyd was, just like Tony Timpa. There would be no worldwide coverage. There would be no military and police standing by. There would be no fortified court buildings. This thread would be buried 12 pages back in the archives. But the perpetually aggrieved and their accomplices can't focus on anything but race.
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Are they - didn’t realise that. I thought it was because other forces weren’t bothered.
The U.S. has something like 18,000 separate police forces and sheriffs' offices. There's no central registry of cops. And often a problem cop would be asked/encouraged/paid to resign, so there wouldn't be a disciplinary record or the possibility of a wrongful termination suit. As one of the world's most notorious bad cops, chances are Chauvin would never get another job. But less infamous bad actors routinely move to other departments.
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If we did that, hardly anyone would know who George Floyd was, just like Tony Timpa. There would be no worldwide coverage. There would be no military and police standing by. There would be no fortified court buildings. This thread would be buried 12 pages back in the archives. But the perpetually aggrieved and their accomplices can't focus on anything but race.
I don't give a **** about any of that. I don't care that YOU are focusing on race and that YOU are upset that this has received the coverage that it has received because of race. You are making it about race because that's what you need it to be about, and when I took race out of it you realized that your argument is complete and total ******** so now you're moving the goalposts. Save it. If you want to keep focusing on race, do you.
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Defense attorney went after Williams (MMA fighter that was on the scene) for the things that Williams was yelling. Calling the cops "pussy ass bitch" and so on. It was rough for Williams but he handled it well. The defense attorney got owned because he didn't know that there were "MMA" gyms. He thought he gym only taught a discipline. It was pretty classic.
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Old 30th March 2021, 08:22 AM   #114
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Defense attorney went after Williams (MMA fighter that was on the scene) for the things that Williams was yelling. Calling the cops "pussy ass bitch" and so on. It was rough for Williams but he handled it well. The defense attorney got owned because he didn't know that there were "MMA" gyms. He thought he gym only taught a discipline. It was pretty classic.
They are obviously setting up the "distraction defense" that they mentioned in opening.
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They are obviously setting up the "distraction defense" that they mentioned in opening.
Which I thought Williams put to bed himself pretty well, too. When they asked him with regards to his experience as a security guard, how hard it was to handle those situations. He basically said it's tough, but you stay focused and manage it. Obviously none of what I'm saying is verbatim.
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They are obviously setting up the "distraction defense" that they mentioned in opening.
Perhaps they accept that outright acquittal is unlikely and are aiming for a manslaughter conviction. Insisting on distraction might be an attempt to paint Chauvin's killing of Floyd an accidental oversight, not the deliberate indifference to human life that is so plainly shown in the video.
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Perhaps they accept that outright acquittal is unlikely and are aiming for a manslaughter conviction. Insisting on distraction might be an attempt to paint Chauvin's killing of Floyd an accidental oversight, not the deliberate indifference to human life that is so plainly shown in the video.
The defense also had Williams say that he's choked people out that have gotten back up and fought afterwards. I'm thinking they're going after something like that as well.

Chauvin obviously had no choice but to lean on his neck for 9 minutes because people get back up afterwards sometimes!
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Juvenile on the stand now so she's not on camera. Good time for me to go on-site to quote out a project.
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These people testifying against Chauvin are very brave. I very much expect that the pigs will extract their pound of flesh as vengeance, especially if Chauvin is convicted.

Honestly, it might be best for people like Williams to move away.
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