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Old 27th March 2021, 04:18 AM   #201
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Probably not. Ship tracking websites have shown that a large portion of shipping has already started routing around South Africa. The trips are a couple of days longer but I don't think shortages are a realistic possibility.

Then again, the New York Post actually made a breaking news tweet that the Ever Given "had drawn a large penis in the ocean before transiting the canal", when very apparently it had just been swinging at anchor as a couple of storms passed.
It's the New York Post, does anyone take it seriously?
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Old 27th March 2021, 04:24 AM   #202
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They could be unloaded at Port Said or on e of the docks on the Great Bitter Lake or Ismailia on Lake Timsah or one of the several docks along the length of the canal itself such as El Qantara.
Or of course divert to other Med ports.
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Old 27th March 2021, 03:31 PM   #203
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Dredgers have moved about 20,000 tonnes of sand from around the Ever Given's bow, 9,000 tonnes of ballast water have been pumped out and the stern has began to move on Friday night and that the rudder and propeller are working again.

They are hoping that the bows will be pulled free on the high tide today.

There is no sign of damage to the bow structure (that's what the lone digger was involved with, not trying to dig it free,)
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Old 28th March 2021, 12:17 AM   #204
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Evergreen vessel shifts, giving hope that the Suez could be unblocked soon (Splash247.com, March 28, 2021)
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Old 28th March 2021, 07:35 AM   #206
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Is it still stuck?

In other news, I saw someplace yesterday saying that 100% of ship traffic from China to the USA goes via the Suez Canal. Which seems a bit odd, considering the two countries are directly connected by the Pacific Ocean.
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Old 28th March 2021, 07:59 AM   #207
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Is it still stuck?

In other news, I saw someplace yesterday saying that 100% of ship traffic from China to the USA goes via the Suez Canal. Which seems a bit odd, considering the two countries are directly connected by the Pacific Ocean.
Not to mention two of the largest U.S. ports (Los Angeles and Long Beach) are in California.
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Old 28th March 2021, 08:08 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Is it still stuck?

In other news, I saw someplace yesterday saying that 100% of ship traffic from China to the USA goes via the Suez Canal. Which seems a bit odd, considering the two countries are directly connected by the Pacific Ocean.
Then what are all the huge double stack container trains running from the west to east coast ports carrying?
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Old 28th March 2021, 08:12 AM   #209
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Then what are all the huge double stack container trains running from the west to east coast ports carrying?
Vegemite, Fosters, and eucalyptus extract.
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Old 28th March 2021, 08:54 AM   #210
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Then what are all the huge double stack container trains running from the west to east coast ports carrying?

Containers.
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I just looked at this site and learned that Shanghai to New York via Suez is nearly 7000nm less than Shanghai to Seattle across the Pacific. Wow.
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Old 28th March 2021, 10:25 AM   #212
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Yes but Shanghai to Seattle is 5,000 nm across the Pacific

Shanghai to New York via Suez is 13,000 nm

You made a mistake somewhere.

that site will give you a route going west to Seattle even though the distance across the pacific is much shorter.
Plus it will put you through the Panama Canal which the big container ships can't navigate.

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This is a better site for trans ocean routes
https://sea-distances.org/

This site will give you distance and times for various shipping lines
https://www.searates.com/services/distances-time/

New York Via Panama is shorter than via Suez.

Even shorter and faster is Shanghai to Los Angeles and then fast container train across to the East Coast which is what tends to happen.
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Old 28th March 2021, 11:15 AM   #214
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Todays update (from GAC, snipped)

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The Suez Canal Authority (SCA) has advised that yesterday’s attempt to refloat the grounded container vessel blocking the waterway did not succeed. However, the ship’s rudder and propellers were this morning (28 March) reported to be free, although the front of the vessel was still submerged under the Canal bank with slight movement to the side but not to aft.

The dredger ‘Mashhour’ is working until the next high tide, expected at about 1600 hours local time today. All tugs are on standby and connected for any further development or sand avalanche due to dredging work to free the ship.

Dredgers had removed about 17,000m≥ of sand and rocks around the vessel (about 87% of the task) and tugs were working subject to the tide.

Once the Canal is clear, the Canal will work 24 hours a day to arrange quick transit for all waiting ships. An estimated 30 which entered the Canal with the grounded vessel on 23 March, plus 13 which entered on 24 March, are waiting at Great Bitter Lakes. An estimated 137 ships are awaiting southbound transit at Port Said Outer Anchorage, and another estimated 157 ships awaiting northbound transit at Suez Port Outer Anchorage.
Wait, what? Rudders and propellers were stuck too? I had not heard that before.
It is now 4 hours past the 16:00 high tide so there should be another update soon.

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Thanks, Cap. I should have realized that 22,000nm from that first site is nearly the circumference of the Earth!
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Old 28th March 2021, 11:57 AM   #216
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Todays update (from GAC, snipped)



Wait, what? Rudders and propellers were stuck too? I had not heard that before.
It is now 4 hours past the 16:00 high tide so there should be another update soon.
Yes, when it swung the stern went aground just like the bow.

Modern ships tend to just have one prop and rudder. It makes the hull shape more efficient. It also reduced the manoeuvrability somewhat and makes the ship tend to be easier to torn none way than the other depending on which way the prop rotates.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Dredgers have moved about 20,000 tonnes of sand from around the Ever Given's bow, 9,000 tonnes of ballast water have been pumped out and the stern has began to move on Friday night and that the rudder and propeller are working again.

They are hoping that the bows will be pulled free on the high tide today.

There is no sign of damage to the bow structure (that's what the lone digger was involved with, not trying to dig it free,)
A question that does not get much attention, what damage has the ship sustained?
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By the way, I've skipped a couple of pages here, so sorry if this is a repeat, but if you want to know what's going on, there's a web site just for this subject:

https://isitstillstuck.com/
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By the way, I've skipped a couple of pages here, so sorry if this is a repeat, but if you want to know what's going on, there's a web site just for this subject:

https://isitstillstuck.com/
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2021.03.28 - The combined effort of dozen tugboats pushing and pulling were able to move the Ever Given 30 degrees in two directions. Water is now flowing underneath the ship. Suez Canal Authority says that "We expect that at any time the ship could slide and move from the spot it is in"
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Good news:


Uhhh.... the "at any time" word construction still leaves me feeling a tad less than 100% confident.
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Uhhh.... the "at any time" word construction still leaves me feeling a tad less than 100% confident.
I think moving 30 degrees and water flowing under the ship is progress, and therefore good news.
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As long as it isn't a 30 degree roll to one side...
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A question that does not get much attention, what damage has the ship sustained?
Reports are that it is still watertight, They will have it straight in to a drydock though once it is unloaded.
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Reports are that it is still watertight, They will have it straight in to a drydock though once it is unloaded.
Well, it was halfway there already. Why not just drag it up onto the dunes now?


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Reports are that it is still watertight, They will have it straight in to a drydock though once it is unloaded.
Titanic was watertight.

Ever Given could have mere cosmetic damage, or it could have write off level damage. Or anything in between
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A question that does not get much attention, what damage has the ship sustained?
According to the Independent quoting the AP who used info from Reuters:

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A ballast tank at the bow of the Ever Given has been damaged and divers have been working to repair the hole, according to Reuters.

The vessel will have to be inspected once it has freed, sources close to the salvage operation said, and suction pumps have been deployed to expel water from the tank.
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Titanic was watertight.

Ever Given could have mere cosmetic damage, or it could have write off level damage. Or anything in between
Some bending of the bottom plates and maybe a dented bulbous bow. It's not like it hit rock.
As long as they are careful getting it free so the hull doesn't warp it will be OK, they are pretty tough.
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Some bending of the bottom plates and maybe a dented bulbous bow. It's not like it hit rock.
As long as they are careful getting it free so the hull doesn't warp it will be OK, they are pretty tough.


Yeah. I very much doubt that ship will be heading onwards to its intended destination(s) once it's freed. But it sounds like it should - based on the public information currently available - at least it should be capable of making it (whether under its own power or being pulled by tugs) to somewhere fairly close where it can offload its cargo.

But I wonder where is the nearest place to the Suez Canal with the facility to offload that many containers, store them dockside for some time, and then reload them onto one or more other vessels for onward transportation.
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I think moving 30 degrees and water flowing under the ship is progress, and therefore good news.


Oh I agree (assuming that information is accurate, by the way).

But I've lived, worked and travelled in Egypt many times, and I have plenty of personal experience of the Egyptian "It'll be ready any moment now" assurance....
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Yeah. I very much doubt that ship will be heading onwards to its intended destination(s) once it's freed. But it sounds like it should - based on the public information currently available - at least it should be capable of making it (whether under its own power or being pulled by tugs) to somewhere fairly close where it can offload its cargo.

But I wonder where is the nearest place to the Suez Canal with the facility to offload that many containers, store them dockside for some time, and then reload them onto one or more other vessels for onward transportation.
Port Said at the north end of the canal can handle container ships of that size.
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They could be unloaded at Port Said or on e of the docks on the Great Bitter Lake or Ismailia on Lake Timsah or one of the several docks along the length of the canal itself such as El Qantara.
Or of course divert to other Med ports.

Ah I should have read back through the thread more fully before wondering (in my post from around 5 mins ago) whereabouts the freight could be offloaded and reloaded! Thanks for the info
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Port Said at the north end of the canal can handle container ships of that size.

Crossed posts! Thanks for the info.

(Out of interest, have you ever manned a ship through the Suez Canal?)
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That post was referring to unloading livestock from ships.

There aren't many ports that can handle a 200,000 tonner.

Teesport for example can handle 200,000 ton crude tankers and Bulk Carriers but the container port can't go much above 30,000 ton ships.
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By the way, that update Zooterkin posted contained the phrase

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Water is now flowing underneath the ship

But....

The ship was effectively straddling the width of the canal when it got stuck. So surely a good deal of the ship ought to have had water flowing beneath its draft from the start, for pretty obvious (IMO) reasons.

ETA: That's assuming that the ship hasn't taken on water from a hull breach when it grounded, thereby increasing its draft. But I don't think there have been any reliable reports of the hull having been breached, are there?

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They pumped 9000 tons of ballast so it should have reduced the draft.
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I posted an image of exactly this incident with the truck with the Evergreen container in China but for some reason that post was split to another thread, while this post wasn't. *shrug*
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If Lucy was there she would jiggleitalittleit'llopen and the canal would open.
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Titanic was watertight.
Not after it hit the iceberg.
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Not after it hit the iceberg.
Seems that all ships are watertight, right up until they are not.
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Seems that all ships are watertight, right up until they are not.
Precisely.
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