Craig McKee steers AE911 towards the "No 757 crashed into Pentagon" corner

[beachnut]

A few insane idiots deny 77 hit the Pentagon - is that enough evidence to help relatives of the insane no plane nuts and dolts to have them committed?

A few fringe nuts believe the delusion shared by the CIT morons, that there is absence of evidence for a large passenger plane crash at the Pentagon. DNA, Physics, Radar, and the FDR are evidence ignored by the insane no plane cultist.

When confronted with evidence 77 impacted the Pentagon, no plane nuts don't produce evidence, they say, ktnxbye ... Mocking the murder of Flight 77 Passengers

After 16 years, must be some form of mental illness to deny Flight 77 Passengers died during a kinetic energy impact equal to 1200 pounds of TNT when 77 hit the Pentagon.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Originally Posted by beachnut

A few insane idiots deny 77 hit the Pentagon - is that enough evidence to help relatives of the insane no plane nuts and dolts to have them committed?

A few fringe nuts believe the delusion shared by the CIT morons, that there is absence of evidence for a large passenger plane crash at the Pentagon. DNA, Physics, Radar, and the FDR are evidence ignored by the insane no plane cultist.

When confronted with evidence 77 impacted the Pentagon, no plane nuts don't produce evidence, they say, ktnxbye ... Mocking the murder of Flight 77 Passengers

After 16 years, must be some form of mental illness to deny Flight 77 Passengers died during a kinetic energy impact equal to 1200 pounds of TNT when 77 hit the Pentagon.

You know the the Movement has died when the no Brainers have taken over.

[JSanderO]

I don't think it has died... but it's down to the hard core science deniers and loose canons. They are incapable of change, or giving up or admitting they were mistaken. They will continue to double down and their claim is that we were fed lies and fake news. So you have a bunch of nuts scattered around with no actual evidence, denying the evidence that has been presented... producing absurd theories which appear to them to make sense. Hard core followers suck it up like gospel truth. But this movement is going round and round in circles inside its own echo chamber.

It's a waste of time to debunk their nonsense because any rational person can see it is pure hooey. Not worth the effort trying to educate those who choose to be willfully ignorant.

[kookbreaker]

While the movement has certainly died, I do hvae to say it seems a lot of would be beleivers seem to come out of the woodwork on Facebook when the towers come up. Any discussion of conspiracies, 9/11 in general, the Bush administration, always has one wanker in the comments saying "you don't believe the planes brought down the towers, do you?".

[LSSBB]

Originally Posted by JSanderO

I don't think it has died... but it's down to the hard core science deniers and loose canons. They are incapable of change, or giving up or admitting they were mistaken. They will continue to double down and their claim is that we were fed lies and fake news. So you have a bunch of nuts scattered around with no actual evidence, denying the evidence that has been presented... producing absurd theories which appear to them to make sense. Hard core followers suck it up like gospel truth. But this movement is going round and round in circles inside its own echo chamber.

It's a waste of time to debunk their nonsense because any rational person can see it is pure hooey. Not worth the effort trying to educate those who choose to be willfully ignorant.

It's down to the same type of core the flat Earthers consist of. All the hydrogen has burnt off and been ejected, and it's now a neutron star.

If it kept sucking people in, it would be a Black Hole. Flat Earth must have somehow reached this stage.

[Oystein]

McKee is advocating a strategy that avoids making positive claims about what happens, and instead focussing on negative claims about what did not happen on 9/11, i.e. the "Official Story"^TM.

Here is the article from May 2017 where he layed out this idea: 9/11 Truthers must focus on destroying the official story, not splintering over dozens of theories (with a subtitle: "We must also resist those in our movement who want us to accept more and more of the official account")


Today I thought of an analogy that I think fits quite perfectly:

Official story: 2 + 2 = 4
David Chandler: 2 + 2 = 5
James Fetzer: 2 + 2 = 3
Judy Wood: 2 + 2 = SQRT(-911)
Niels Harrit: 2 + 2 = 5 AND 2 + 2 = 666
Les Jamieson: 2 + 2 = 4.2
Craig McKee: Ok, so we all agree that NOT 2 + 2 = 4, let's not splinter over whether it's 3, 5, 666, 4.2 or whatever. Oh and by the way: 2 + 2 = 7

[bknight]

James Fetzer never met a CT that he didn't believe.

[JSanderO]

Of course when you can't come up with a comprehensive, logical, science based... coherent explanation including the political forces, logistics, training, not being detected or leaving clues or loose lips...all you can do is try to find some flaw, or gap or something that reveals YOUR own dumb.

The whole starting point for conspiracy theories is that EVERYTHING official has been shown to contain deception, lack transparency, provide cover for something, conceal wrong doing, avoid revealing incompetence... All of these frame and support the notion that what were told was fake and there was a conspiracy to hide and therefore to cover up the real conspiracy.

That's how they become believers in anything.

[Oystein]

Quoting from December 14th:

Originally Posted by Oystein

3 days ago, Craig McKee published this article, and his list of "No 757" supporters, in his blog:

Oppose the Lie: Add your Name to the 'No 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11' List!

The list is at the end of the article, and currently has 646 names. ... the list contains no fewer than 113 names from Denmark (17% of the total)! ...

There was a bit of development after that date, but lately, the list hasn't continued to grow significantly.

They have 732 names (+13%) now on the list (127 from Denmark, that's +12%).
The Facebook group has 648 members - only 4 more than eight days ago, so this has also lost all dynamics.

Seems like Craig has to settle for less than 1,000 supporters for his "no 757 crashed into the Pentagon" foolishness. This is either a small minority of the Twoof Movement, or the TM is really very tiny and insignificant.

Either way: FAILED.

[BadBoy]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Quoting from December 14th:

There was a bit of development after that date, but lately, the list hasn't continued to grow significantly.

They have 732 names (+13%) now on the list (127 from Denmark, that's +12%).
The Facebook group has 648 members - only 4 more than eight days ago, so this has also lost all dynamics.

Seems like Craig has to settle for less than 1,000 supporters for his "no 757 crashed into the Pentagon" foolishness. This is either a small minority of the Twoof Movement, or the TM is really very tiny and insignificant.

Either way: FAILED.

With all thier fragmentation, I have an image of TM meetings being like the Peoples Front of Judea

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Quoting from December 14th:

There was a bit of development after that date, but lately, the list hasn't continued to grow significantly.

They have 732 names (+13%) now on the list (127 from Denmark, that's +12%).
The Facebook group has 648 members - only 4 more than eight days ago, so this has also lost all dynamics.

Seems like Craig has to settle for less than 1,000 supporters for his "no 757 crashed into the Pentagon" foolishness. This is either a small minority of the Twoof Movement, or the TM is really very tiny and insignificant.

Either way: FAILED.

A bit more than a month later, the list in Craig's blog has 746 names (+14), the Facebook group has 673 members (+25).

The most prolific and popular Truthers cannot gather 1,000 people worldwide who believe in this no-plane nonsense. What a bunch of losers.

[JSanderO]

Originally Posted by Oystein

A bit more than a month later, the list in Craig's blog has 746 names (+14), the Facebook group has 673 members (+25).

The most prolific and popular Truthers cannot gather 1,000 people worldwide who believe in this no-plane nonsense. What a bunch of losers.

Could this few numbers of people who support 911 conspiracy *whatever*
have any impact on anything?

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by JSanderO

Could this few numbers of people who support 911 conspiracy *whatever*
have any impact on anything?

Yes. On them.
In a small group, a relitively high proportion of followers have name recognition and a shot at leadership.

[Josarhus]

On the list is a Danish high school teacher, Thomas Nørgaad, number 521. He claims that he has not signed the list, and that he has no knowledge on how he got there.

I then wrote McKee to ask whether he was put there without him consenting to it, and if others on the list were also there without them actively signing up.

McKee has not answered me, but I know from Thomas Nørgaard, that McKee has contacted him this weekend on the matter, but now Thomas Nørgaard refuses to say if he actually did sign it, or if McKee put him there without him knowing.

The problem for Thomas Nørgaard is that if he admits that he actually signed the list, then he has been directly lying about it, since he very clearly has stated that he in no way signed the list. If he maintains that he got on the list without him knowing, then McKee is clearly inflating the list with unknowing people.

As I said, I have contacted McKee, without him answering me, so if any of you have any form of communication with McKee perhaps one should ask, if all people on the list are there willingly. Perhaps the list is not even that long in reality.

[Oystein]

Josarhus,

we are told that Niels Harrit, and I guess his fellow activists in the Danish TM, organized the many Danish signatures. Perhaps McKee just got a bulk list from them without vetting it himself, and the problem lies with Harrit. Do you have contact data on Harrit?

[Josarhus]

Harrits admin always lists this email, when someone wants direct contact to Harrit:

niels@harrit.dk

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by Josarhus

Harrits admin always lists this email, when someone wants direct contact to Harrit:

niels@harrit.dk

Who controls that domain, harrit.dk?

[KDLarsen]

Originally Posted by Oystein

Who controls that domain, harrit.dk?

A whois search on dk-hostmaster puts up an address, that other websites refer to as being associated with persones with the surname of Harrit. More specifically one of Niels Harrit's children.

As there doesn't appear to be a website associated with the domain, I suspect it's a family email domain.

[Josarhus]

Craig finally answered me:

Everyone on the list have been added, with consent from the persons, but apparently not all on the list actually wants to be there, or admit they have signed the list

Craigs answer

[JSanderO]

Originally Posted by Josarhus

Craig finally answered me:

Everyone on the list have been added, with consent from the persons, but apparently not all on the list actually wants to be there, or admit they have signed the list

Craigs answer

Look at the list of TOP POSTS on the right side of McKee's web page. This fella is really down the rabbit hole and no conspiracy theory should be ignored.

[Pinch]

The starting line-up for PfT, led by their fearless leader Balsamo, are on the list. For the life of me, I cannot imagine why anyone would ever fly in an airplane again knowing there are brain-dead morons like these clowns possibly at the helm. It’s reassuring to remember, though, that these intellectually-stunted rocket surgeons are an incredibly small fraction of a minute percentage of aeronautical professionals throughout the world. The PfT website is pretty much dead now. They had to backfill a lost server with a backup from 2015 so there’s nothing new on there for almost 3 years and his Facebook page isn’t a whole lot better - the same BS from and to the same low-functioning, fact-challenged, lack-of-critical-thinking dullards. 16 years and counting.