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Old 21st April 2018, 07:49 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
So not realistic then?
Overall the game was pretty good. They claimed they could not account for wind effects but could cover most other physics for a hit.

I suspect it would not be that great for the gun on the Strumtiger since it would require a much different model then a typical tank or field gun.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 02:54 AM   #282
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I'm not saying that a 200lb charge going off in the middle of your tank park won't do some damage though.

As a result of result of experience in the Desert and expeiments on exercise it was concluded that it was ok to advance tanks actually in to an artillery barrage.
The chances of a direct hit were very low and experimenting showed an artillery shell hitting the top of a tank wouldn't usually do a lot of damage (depending on the size of the shell), a very near miss was more likely to disable it by breaking the tracks and running gear.

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Old 23rd April 2018, 12:33 AM   #283
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They only made a few, ten I think, so the resources and production time expenditure was not too bad. Development time and effort though, probably not particularly wise. Considering the Luftwaffe could not contribute much by the time the Sturmtiger got into action, in late 1944 and the big rail guns were not practical, the vehicle ended up providing the Wehrmacht with something that packed punch. The army got some use out of them and the few instances they were actually employed (single vehicles, IIRC, others in the small independent companies broke down) they proved very effective against infantry, artillery and tank positions. The Sturmtiger proved itself a useful shock weapon, if nothing else. It was actually used in Warsaw and against the allied occupation of westwall bunkers, so it managed to achieve something it was actually designed for. But, your argument regarding it's value in regards time and resources is valid. Just pointing out that they didn't make many of them and the few that were used provided something the wehrmacht was short of at that stage of the war. So, bewildering production, but.... it did ok anyway.
Actually, try 19 built, but that number is deceptive. These were all pretty much custom built vehicles, as evidenced for example by the fact that each had a different number of venting holes on the barrel. So the cost is going to be higher than for mass produced vehicles in any case.

Basically what I'm saying is that if you have 19 Tiger hulls, it's much cheaper and would have served Germany better, to just produce 19 Tiger turrets for them, instead of manually doing extensive manual modifications to the hull and build the rest of the monster by hand. Not to mention custom building the small number of projectiles for them and complicating the logistics in the process.

As for their use, you'll find that it was actually ONLY Warsaw that saw them used in their intended role, although arguably a Brummbär could have done the same work just as well. Or even towed artillery. It's not like the Poles even had much in the way of antitank weaponry, or had any fortifications that needed a gun that can punch through 2.5m of concrete.

I can't find any reference to them used against any bunkers in the west, or for that matter anywhere else.

They tried to hit a bridge from a distance with them, but they discovered that they didn't actually have the accuracy to hit anything at that distance. Which really should have come as no surprise, since the whole purpose of that vehicle was to come close enough to a bunker and wreck it. It wasn't built for long distance artillery bombardment.

Then they were used briefly against the infantry coming over the bridge and again, they didn't make all that much of a difference. They didn't have enough ammo, nor again much accuracy to be used effectively as long range artillery.

Almost all of them were then abandoned when they ran out of ammo, because again see logistics.

As far as I know, none of them even took part, much less made any difference in defending any german city, like theprestige seems to think.

So, yeah, I'm gonna file it under wasted money anyway. Maybe not THE biggest waste the Third Reich did (that's got to be the holocaust), but you know, still wasted money.
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So, yeah, I'm gonna file it under wasted money anyway. Maybe not THE biggest waste the Third Reich did (that's got to be the holocaust), but you know, still wasted money.
Armour wise the King Tiger was the biggest waste.
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Could well be. We probably could debate for ever which was the biggest waste, though, since there is no shortage of strong contenders
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