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Old 29th September 2021, 05:38 AM   #1
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Fox News hemorrhaging viewers to further right wing outlets.

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Traffic to Most Conservative Website Sags in August, While Newsmax Posts Third Straight Month of Gains


https://www.therighting.com/august-2...ative-websites
September 29, 2021, New York, NY – While almost all major conservative news websites experienced audience declines in August, Newsmax posted its third straight month of year-over-year (YOY) traffic increases according to TheRighting’s exclusive analysis of August 2021 mobile and desktop traffic based on Comscore data. Newsmax attracted 6,067,000 unique visitors in August 2021, up 72% from August 2020 when it drew 3,522,000 unique visitors. The Epoch Times was the only other conservative news outlet that increased its YOY audience in August in TheRighting’s top 20.
Seems Pandora's box is well and truly open. While Fox is still by far the largest right wing outlet, they are steadily losing viewers as more extreme right wing outlets provide the extremist content that the right wing American audience demands.

Fox will have little choice going forward but to either increasingly radicalize with their content or see more and more of their audience lose interest. Tucker Carlson's (the most popular pundit on the network) increasingly overt fascist and ethno-nationalist rhetoric shows where the future of right wing media and politics lay.

ETA: Also noteworthy that once-influential "mainstream" conservative outlets like "The National Review" are faring extremely poorly.
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Old 29th September 2021, 08:17 AM   #2
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I guess it is tough to convince addicts to only smoke pot after they have ben mainlining heroin for a while…
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I demand extremist content.
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Old 29th September 2021, 09:08 AM   #4
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I am not seeing what you are seeing? Seems most of the far right publications are also losing viewership. Pointing to a single one that grew while ignoring all the others that lost doesn't really mean anything. Is foxnews losing viewers to newsmax or are people switching from theblaze to newsmax. From breitbart to newsmax. Their total audience of 6 million people is pretty paltry all things considered anyway.
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Okay and?

Unlike the Left all those fractured sub-groups on the right are going to vote the same way and stay focused on a common goal; maintaining power.
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Old 29th September 2021, 09:13 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay and?

Unlike the Left all those fractured sub-groups on the right are going to vote the same way and stay focused on a common goal; maintaining power.
I just think it's interesting seeing how far down the rabbit hole the right has gone.

Realistically I expect the older fashioned conservatives that used to dogwhistle to this kind of extremism are on their last days, soon to be replaced with out-and-out true believers in this kind of stuff.

I don't think it's inconsequential.
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Old 29th September 2021, 09:32 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I just think it's interesting seeing how far down the rabbit hole the right has gone.

Realistically I expect the older fashioned conservatives that used to dogwhistle to this kind of extremism are on their last days, soon to be replaced with out-and-out true believers in this kind of stuff.

I don't think it's inconsequential.
I used to think the right would become more enlightened as the old fashioned republicans died off.

That was in the 70s. Boy was I wrong.
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Old 29th September 2021, 09:33 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
I used to think the right would become more enlightened as the old fashioned republicans died off.

That was in the 70s. Boy was I wrong.
Hey, at least you're not the guy that wrote "The End of History" in the 90's. Talk about predictions not aging well!

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The End of History and the Last Man (1992) is a book of political philosophy by American political scientist Francis Fukuyama which argues that with the ascendancy of Western liberal democracy—which occurred after the Cold War (1945–1991) and the dissolution of the Soviet Union (1991)—humanity has reached "not just ... the passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of history as such: That is, the end-point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_En...d_the_Last_Man
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The Right has never really gotten over the end of the Cold War have they?
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Old 29th September 2021, 09:38 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The Right has never really gotten over the end of the Cold War have they?
Not sure about the Cold War - didn't their St. Ronnie end it?
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Not sure about the Cold War - didn't their St. Ronnie end it?

I would occasionally listen to professional raving lunatic Michael Savage on the radio leading up to the 2008 election, and he was always ranting about Communists lurking in the government and colleges, waiting for the signal to rise up and overthrow the government. Of course, I also heard him criticize a female politician for wearing pants.
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Old 29th September 2021, 10:05 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Hey, at least you're not the guy that wrote "The End of History" in the 90's. Talk about predictions not aging well!



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_En...d_the_Last_Man
Yeah, Fukuyama is right up there with the guy who wanted to abolish the patent office in the 1800s because everything had been invented already. (probably apocryphal story, but I haven't checked)
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The Right has never really gotten over the end of the Cold War have they?
Nor the Civil War.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The Right has never really gotten over the end of the Cold War have they?
The oddity is that conservatives think the enemy in the cold war was communism itself, rather than Russia. Which is why they seem weirdly okay with a militaristic dictator-led superpowered rival thwarting our interests--they're not communist now, so it's all good.
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The Fox Media Empire business model has always been to distract and divide the low-income blue collar masses and getting paid for it.
If that is your goal, you get the political support for free.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The Right has never really gotten over the end of the Cold War have they?
Bingo.
They have been lookng for a new evil enemy to fight ( and, yes, Totalrian Communism was evil) and seem to be going back and forth between anybody in this country who is not on the right and Islam as the enemy.
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I remember the days when we thought it could'nt get worse then Glenn Beck.
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The oddity is that conservatives think the enemy in the cold war was communism itself, rather than Russia.
Because it was. Their objection to communism wasn't that it led to militaristic dictatorships, but that it proposed sharing wealth. That is what really scared them.
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Not sure about the Cold War - didn't their St. Ronnie end it?
Please be respectful. It's 'St. Ronnie of Reagan'.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
The oddity is that conservatives think the enemy in the cold war was communism itself, rather than Russia. Which is why they seem weirdly okay with a militaristic dictator-led superpowered rival thwarting our interests--they're not communist now, so it's all good.
Speaking of Russia....

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Donald Trump told Vladimir Putin he had to act tough next to the Russian president for the cameras, according to the former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham.

“OK, I’m going to act a little tougher with you for a few minutes,” Grisham says she heard Trump tell his Russian counterpart in Osaka in 2019. “But it’s for the cameras, and after they leave, we’ll talk. You understand.”

Grisham makes the claim in a new book, I’ll Take Your Questions Now, which will be published next week. The Washington Post obtained a copy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ite-house-book
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Because it was. Their objection to communism wasn't that it led to militaristic dictatorships, but that it proposed sharing wealth. That is what really scared them.

They certainly don’t seem to have an objection in principle to militaristic dictatorships.
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GB News (UK 'anti-woke' TV channel) not doing too well either.
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Not sure about the Cold War - didn't their St. Ronnie end it?
Not in the Real World, but that's a place most rightists only have tenuous connections to.
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I wonder how much of the difference in viewers also comes down to viewing habits. CNN's reach extends far beyond television

I get quite a bit of news from CNN - but I never watch CNN's main channel.

I'll watch about an hour of CNN's Headline News with Robin Meade in the morning while booting up the work computer and settling in for the workday. Not paying close attention, sometimes it's literally just something to distract from the tinnitus (which is often most noticeable in the morning). I work at home in an "office" in my basement and it is almost too quiet down here.

The rest I get from the website. I am guessing that the average Fox/Newsmax viewer gets more from watching TV and less from the Fox/Newsmax websites compared to a CNN viewer/web user who gets more from the website and less from the TV. By that I mean CNN's website and Fox or Newsmax's websites, not really counting web content from other sources (since we are comparing CNN, Fox, and Newsmax).

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And with Fox being so toxic, advertisers are spending their money on CNN more than before.
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When you consider that Tucker Carlson is the highest rated cable 'news' show (aka propaganda misinformation and flat out lies show), it doesn't say much about the viewing habits of many Americans.
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When you consider that Tucker Carlson is the highest rated cable 'news' show (aka propaganda misinformation and flat out lies show), it doesn't say much about the viewing habits of many Americans.
I used to (perhaps naively) tell myself that that was okay because "the smart" people got their news elsewhere so the "Highest Rated Cable News Channel" was was a hollow title.

I'm not as sure anymore. Newspapers are dead, the internet is *gestures broadly and makes a sound that sounds like the last gasps of a dying goat.* I'm not sure what my answer IS exactly to where smart people are getting their news now.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I used to (perhaps naively) tell myself that that was okay because "the smart" people got their news elsewhere so the "Highest Rated Cable News Channel" was was a hollow title.

I'm not as sure anymore. Newspapers are dead, the internet is *gestures broadly and makes a sound that sounds like the last gasps of a dying goat.* I'm not sure what my answer IS exactly to where smart people are getting their news now.
Smart people are getting their news/info from sites that have a high rating for factual accuracy and not from pundits. Those sites are not difficult to find.

Fact Checking Resources:

https://guides.library.umass.edu/fakenews/factcheck
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Smart people are getting their news/info from sites that have a high rating for factual accuracy and not from pundits. Those sites are not difficult to find.

Fact Checking Resources:

https://guides.library.umass.edu/fakenews/factcheck

And we come to sites like this to learn even more about these stories, either through debate or just reading other peoples' perspectives, and to challenge our own opinions.

Not sure I would have ever changed my opinions without the critical thinking element.
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And we come to sites like this to learn even more about these stories, either through debate or just reading other peoples' perspectives, and to challenge our own opinions.

Not sure I would have ever changed my opinions without the critical thinking element.
True. Some come to learn and think critically. Others just come to troll/pot stir. You can tell which is which by the quality of and thought put into their posts.
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The American Thinker:Really?
When you going to learn that citing a right wing site is not going to lend creditbility to your arguement?
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The American Thinker:Really?
When you going to learn that citing a right wing site is not going to lend creditbility to your arguement?
Hey, c’mon, they only claimed that “Hilary was sure to enter the Presidential race” in 2020 three or four times.
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Apparenlty, One American News (OAN) got a bunch of funding from AT&T, which ialso owns TimeWarner, which owns CNN.

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A Reuters review of court records shows the role AT&T played in creating and funding OAN, a network that continues to spread conspiracy theories about the 2020 election and the COVID-19 pandemic.

OAN founder and chief executive Robert Herring Sr has testified that the inspiration to launch OAN in 2013 came from AT&T executives.

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Since then, AT&T has been a crucial source of funds flowing into OAN, providing tens of millions of dollars in revenue, court records show. Ninety percent of OAN’s revenue came from a contract with AT&T-owned television platforms, including satellite broadcaster DirecTV, according to 2020 sworn testimony by an OAN accountant.

Herring has testified he was offered $250 million for OAN in 2019. Without the DirecTV deal, the accountant said under oath, the network’s value “would be zero.”
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When asked "What was Trump doing during the J6 riot?" Stephanie Grisham said that he was watching OAN.
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Old 6th October 2021, 04:27 PM   #39
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There's a group of Republicans and no party affiliation people who would love to watch a news network that is Regan era conservative leaning and not a Trump audience. That's a following Ford would like to sell F-150s to and Coke wants to sell drinks to. The anti American nutjobs who flock to OAN and NEWSMAX can't afford F-150s and would give themselves diabetes type II with Coke anyway. Their current plan will leave them with advertisers who can't afford Tucky's prime time rates from three years ago. Pillow Boy can't carry the network, particularly not when Fox has him on double secret probation.
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It might feel nice to imaging the knuckle draggers watching this fascist propaganda as being poor, but that’s not the case. Just as an example, the January rioters were mostly wealthier than average. Just like the KKK, they were largely drawn from the professional and business-owning classes. They watch OAN and Newsmax in their rich suburban homes. They had the means to go to DC on a workday.
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