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Old 13th October 2021, 05:25 PM   #2481
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
The election is like the Kobayashi Maru test: the only way to win is to not play!
More like Wargames.
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Old 13th October 2021, 05:40 PM   #2482
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Meanwhile, Donny gets our hopes up:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/statu...86456406347786
I finally agree with Trump on something. I'm all for Trumpers not voting in 2022 or 2024!
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Old 13th October 2021, 05:46 PM   #2483
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I finally agree with Trump on something. I'm all for Trumpers not voting in 2022 or 2024!
After he wins the 2020 election he will move on to prove the several million more Hillary votes were fake.
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Old 13th October 2021, 05:57 PM   #2484
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I finally agree with Trump on something. I'm all for Trumpers not voting in 2022 or 2024!
It was inevitable that he'd get something right eventually, even if by accident.
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Old 13th October 2021, 06:14 PM   #2485
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We thought the Republican goals were few, but always the same. Abortion, small gov't and all that. But now, the only mission they have is to overturn the 2020 election. The Trump supported primaried candidates will be running in Michigan, PA etc. for state legislatures. With the only mission, once elected, to finally count the 2020 votes and declare Trump winner in....as many states as needed.
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Old 13th October 2021, 07:18 PM   #2486
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
My boss, who was a life long GOP member, quit a year ago saying he joined the Republican party, not a insane personality cult.
It's tragic, though. We need a non insane conservative party as a counterbalance to the Democrats.
As a very leftist Democrat I absolutely agree.

Two party systems can work if they can check each other's excesses and compromise for the good of the country.
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Old 13th October 2021, 07:30 PM   #2487
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Originally Posted by autumn1971 View Post
As a very leftist Democrat I absolutely agree.

Two party systems can work if they can check each other's excesses and compromise for the good of the country.
A two-party system seems to be the only option in the US. It's unfortunate that one of the parties stepped off a cliff with Trump. There's no question that this could work a lot better, but first the blithering narcissist and his minions have to be defeated.

I think it's true that a reasonable left and a reasonable right could help keep each other reasonable, even if I think the right is more dangerously wrong in just about every respect.
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Old 14th October 2021, 03:01 AM   #2488
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A long and thoughtful piece on the BBC News site today

Is Trump's power over Republicans starting to slip?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58904507

Comment from one of those attending the recent rally “He came from the same kind of people we are “

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Old 14th October 2021, 03:59 AM   #2489
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
A long and thoughtful piece on the BBC News site today

Is Trump's power over Republicans starting to slip?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58904507

Comment from one of those attending the recent rally “He came from the same kind of people we are “
It will slip quite a bit. After the 2022 election. They need Trump for that to take both the senate and house.

Currently the GOP has three things to do:
1 get Trump votes "counted" for 2020 in states. Take over all the state legislatures
2 stop vaccine mandates
3 stop mask mandates and pretty much take over all school boards

Having accomplished that, the pandemic will be gone and Trump will still not "win" the 2020 election in 2022. They will then have no goals for 2024. Get rid of Biden because...mandates!...big government overreach!
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Old 14th October 2021, 04:20 AM   #2490
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compromise for the good of the country.
Unfortunately, 'compromise' just doesn't seem to be on the table at the moment, or at any time in the near future. Actually making improvements seems to have been sacrificed at the altar of scoring points off 'the other side', for any reason whatsoever.
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Old 14th October 2021, 05:33 AM   #2491
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Unfortunately, 'compromise' just doesn't seem to be on the table at the moment, or at any time in the near future. Actually making improvements seems to have been sacrificed at the altar of scoring points off 'the other side', for any reason whatsoever.
Didn't Mitch McConnell fillibuster his own bill once after Democrats tried to pass it? It's not about winning, it's about making sure the other side loses.
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Old 14th October 2021, 05:50 AM   #2492
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Some Democrats fear getting rid of the filibuster because of what Republicans might do if they take power without the filibuster rule in place.

Seems incredibly naive to me. Don’t they realize that Republicans would nuke the filibuster rule the very first instant it would benefit them to do so, regardless of what the Democrats do now? Of course they would.

Democrats need to grow spines. Start by enforcing subpoenas. Right now I fear they’re starting to seem more and more inept and doing little to assuage that point of view beyond talk.

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Old 14th October 2021, 05:57 AM   #2493
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Some Democrats fear getting rid of the filibuster because of what Republicans might do if they take power without the filibuster rule in place.

Seems incredibly naive to me. Don’t they realize that Republicans would nuke the filibuster rule the very first instant it would benefit them to do so, regardless of what the Democrats do now? Of course they would.

Democrats need to grow spines. Start by enforcing subpoenas. Right now I fear they’re starting to seem more and more inept and doing little to assuage that point of view beyond talk.
My view too.

Also, they could vote to remove the filibuster now, then just at the end of their time in power, pass a bill to reinstate it. Meanwhile, with a simple majority they should enact all their promised voter protection legislation, dismantle gerrymandering, kill REDMAP by forcing federal mapping, and generally stymie each and every slimy underhand practices the GOP are using to cling to power by screwing with the voting systems.
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Old 14th October 2021, 06:03 AM   #2494
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Yeah that's the loop we've been in for a while.

"We can't fix the system, because without the ways the system is broken we'll never keep the other side in check."

It's a stupid, suicidal Mexican standoff, except when they finally start shooting the only people they hit is the American public.
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Old 14th October 2021, 06:47 AM   #2495
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Also, without the filibuster, voters might actually see some legislation by which to judge how much the party in power kept its campaign promises.
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Old 14th October 2021, 07:05 AM   #2496
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Also Congress is super in love with themselves and the idea that everything they do has to be this ponderous PROCESS filled with archaic rules and tradition and "Roberts Rules of Order" and this and that, mistaking massive procedural inefficiency for... *pause for dramatic effect* gravitas.

And I actually think this is a bigger deal then we think. A lot of times I think complaining about "Big Government" is really complaining about the dog and pony show and the glacial pace of government procedures, not government actions per se, but procedures.

I swear if it was announced today that an asteroid the size of Luxemburg was headed to Earth and was going to kill us all in 10 days Congress would still go "Well we aren't in session for 12 days, but then we'll form a subcommittee to investigate the possibility of adding doing something about the asteroid to our line items..."

They never give the impression that actually fixing the problems America is facing takes precedent over them enjoying how important they get to act.

The Debt Ceiling is a prime example of that. It's playing chicken with the livelihood of millions of Americans but... what a show it puts on.
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Old 14th October 2021, 08:56 AM   #2497
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I swear if it was announced today that an asteroid the size of Luxemburg was headed to Earth and was going to kill us all in 10 days Congress would still go "Well we aren't in session for 12 days, but then we'll form a subcommittee to investigate the possibility of adding doing something about the asteroid to our line items..."

That's basically the plot of "Shin Godzilla", since that version of Godzilla is a metaphor for natural disasters and the film was intended to be a commentary on the Japanese government's response to things like the tsunami and Fukushima.
"We need to form a committee to decide what to do about the monster rampaging through Tokyo, and a committee to decide who will be on that committee, and a committee to decide what name to use when referring to the monster ..."
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The one that drives me crazy is that Congress gets to set their own hours. We'll be in the middle of one of those deadlines and Congress will be all "Well lookit that, time for our 10 week fall recess."

No screw that. You have a job to do. If the job isn't done you don't go home. You're not a fry cook you don't get to just Fred Flintstone down the back of the dinosaur when the bell rings.
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Old 14th October 2021, 10:28 AM   #2499
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I wish someone would ask McConnell how not helping means not voting for cloture. If McConnell thinks there is nothing to discuss, and Democrats agree, then McConnell should be asked what is his excuse to not vote for declaring there is no more to discuss.
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Old 14th October 2021, 12:57 PM   #2500
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In his mind, Trump is Captain Kirk, Jesus, and the Emperor of the Universe.

Also all he knows is how to cheat.
I sometimes wonder if he really does know how to cheat, or if it is just something he is innately good at. When I consider his incompetence in pretty much everything, it seems to me that if he tried to plan a grift he would screw it up like he did whenever he put forth a business idea. It is almost like he just falls into a grift, or grifting situation, and then runs with it. Sort of like picking up a fumbled ball on the field... now what?... just run with it.

Maybe he is just a grifting magnet. He attracts the opportunities to himself.

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Old 14th October 2021, 04:10 PM   #2502
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I sometimes wonder if he really does know how to cheat, or if it is just something he is innately good at. When I consider his incompetence in pretty much everything, it seems to me that if he tried to plan a grift he would screw it up like he did whenever he put forth a business idea. It is almost like he just falls into a grift, or grifting situation, and then runs with it. Sort of like picking up a fumbled ball on the field... now what?... just run with it.

Maybe he is just a grifting magnet. He attracts the opportunities to himself.
Oh, that's easy. Disaster Don has zero grifting ability of his own. None. He's an absolute dunce in all respects. But he has some of the very best schemers and grifters working for him. Really clever, out-of-the-box people who would probably make big legitimate fortunes if they could only get away from the Dark Side. Some of them even wear yarmulkes. They do all the heavy thinking and heavy lifting for Donny, in return for him not having them "have an unfortunate accident".

Not to mention Russian mafia. These two circles in the Venn diagram overlap.
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Originally Posted by kevbo View Post
I sometimes wonder if he really does know how to cheat, or if it is just something he is innately good at. When I consider his incompetence in pretty much everything, it seems to me that if he tried to plan a grift he would screw it up like he did whenever he put forth a business idea. It is almost like he just falls into a grift, or grifting situation, and then runs with it. Sort of like picking up a fumbled ball on the field... now what?... just run with it.

Maybe he is just a grifting magnet. He attracts the opportunities to himself.

I agree, he is far too stupid to be good at anything. He should have been broke long ago. He's just a typical loser who has always been protected by Daddy's money.
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Also Congress is super in love with themselves and the idea that everything they do has to be this ponderous PROCESS filled with archaic rules and tradition and "Roberts Rules of Order" and this and that, mistaking massive procedural inefficiency for... *pause for dramatic effect* gravitas.
Of course, that holds except when long established norms are simply thrown out the window with no shame.
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Michael Cohen was great at cheating for Trump, although Trump does have a natural gift for it. His conning a small paint company out of $32,000 in paint for his Doral resort was his idea. But he lost that case because his usual tactic of "the little guy can't afford to stand up against my empty pocket lawyers" didn't work. Trump was ordered to pay about $300,000 to cover the paint company's lawyers, too.

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It's a classic Trump move: He and his companies have been sued literally thousands of times, often for simply deciding that he no longer felt like paying prearranged sums to small companies and construction contractors.
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Michael Cohen was great at cheating for Trump, although Trump does have a natural gift for it. His conning a small paint company out of $32,000 in paint for his Doral resort was his idea. But he lost that case because his usual tactic of "the little guy can't afford to stand up against my empty pocket lawyers" didn't work. Trump was ordered to pay about $300,000 to cover the paint company's lawyers, too.
Anyone know if they ever got paid?
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Anyone know if they ever got paid?
I think they did because the judge ordered a lien on the resort so Trump put the money in an escrow account to remove the lien. If he didn't pay up, a lien would have been put back on the resort. His appeal failed so I think we can assume the paint store owner finally got paid.
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The FBI official Trump had fired out of spite, depriving him of his pension, has won his case to get it back.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/14/polit...abe/index.html

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The FBI official Trump had fired out of spite, depriving him of his pension, has won his case to get it back.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/14/polit...abe/index.html
Good!
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The FBI official Trump had fired out of spite, depriving him of his pension, has won his case to get it back.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/14/polit...abe/index.html
It's a shame that the US taxpayer rather than President Trump has to bear the costs of another rage-tantrum.
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It's a shame that the US taxpayer rather than President Trump has to bear the costs of another rage-tantrum.
I agree, it's a shame that the taxpayers have to clean up his mess. Still, I'm not convinced that it was actually a rage-tantrum, rather than a deliberate attempt to intimidate others to fall in line.
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The FBI official Trump had fired out of spite, depriving him of his pension, has won his case to get it back.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/14/polit...abe/index.html
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The FBI official Trump had fired out of spite, depriving him of his pension, has won his case to get it back.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/14/polit...abe/index.html
Glad for him but I think one of the remedies is very wrong - the article says:

"...His firing, under the agreement, has essentially been rescinded, with the FBI's records being amended to show that he never had a blip of unemployment and that he retired in March 2018, the documents say. FBI personnel files also will remove record of McCabe having been fired..."

That to me strikes as re-writing history inaccurately, imagine in 100 years from now someone researching the Trump years and they have access to archived media that talks about how he was fired before his resignation date. If they compare that against his amended records it would look as if the media story had been made up i.e. "fake news".
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Old 15th October 2021, 03:38 AM   #2514
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Glad for him but I think one of the remedies is very wrong - the article says:

"...His firing, under the agreement, has essentially been rescinded, with the FBI's records being amended to show that he never had a blip of unemployment and that he retired in March 2018, the documents say. FBI personnel files also will remove record of McCabe having been fired..."

That to me strikes as re-writing history inaccurately, imagine in 100 years from now someone researching the Trump years and they have access to archived media that talks about how he was fired before his resignation date. If they compare that against his amended records it would look as if the media story had been made up i.e. "fake news".
Who knows? Perhaps this post of yours will be used among other reportage to ensure that that historical trip-up will be averted!

More seriously, the volume of contemporaneous reporting will set the record straight for historians down the road. Unless some nefarious Ministry of Truth should soon get to be instituted...
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Old 15th October 2021, 04:37 AM   #2515
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Glad for him but I think one of the remedies is very wrong - the article says:

"...His firing, under the agreement, has essentially been rescinded, with the FBI's records being amended to show that he never had a blip of unemployment and that he retired in March 2018, the documents say. FBI personnel files also will remove record of McCabe having been fired..."

It also sucks that they're marking the last three and a half years as him being retired. Three years of trying to sue the most petulant president in history doesn't sound like retirement to me. He should be given his full salary for that period, and have his retirement date set to the day the judgement came back.

If his pension works anything like mine, that would also give him a pension bump for the extra time in service. Dude deserves it, as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 15th October 2021, 04:41 AM   #2516
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McCabe also gets the official FBI retirement cufflinks now.
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Was there any penalty against Donny for McCabe's illegal firing? He deserves at least a demotion, from rat bastard to super-prick.
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Old 15th October 2021, 07:19 AM   #2518
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Guess who's getting deposed soon?

From: CNBC
Former President Donald Trump is scheduled to be deposed...for a lawsuit filed by protestors who allege they were “violently attacked” by his security guards on the sidewalk outside of Trump Tower in September 2015. Trump’s videotaped deposition on Monday morning will be held in Trump Tower itself...

Sadly, I don't think the contents of the video will be made public any time soon.
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Old 15th October 2021, 07:39 AM   #2519
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That to me strikes as re-writing history inaccurately, imagine in 100 years from now someone researching the Trump years and they have access to archived media that talks about how he was fired before his resignation date. If they compare that against his amended records it would look as if the media story had been made up i.e. "fake news".
It's just a revision of his personnel files. His career now officially ended with a normal retirement, not a firing, comparable to overturning a conviction after lengthy appeals. But all the accounts of what happened to him certainly remain part of the public record, including his own lawsuit and the resulting decision, which are themselves public records.
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I agree, it's a shame that the taxpayers have to clean up his mess. Still, I'm not convinced that it was actually a rage-tantrum, rather than a deliberate attempt to intimidate others to fall in line.
It's pretty clearly way more than a tantrum. Trump talked about firing McCabe for months, and even demanded that he be prosecuted. It's also another measure of how contemptible Sessions is. He could simply have refused to carry out Trump's orders.

Speaking of the taxpayers, the government also has to pay McCabe's legal fees.
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That allows him to receive compensation since 2018, which he told CNN he believes is more than $200,000. His lawyers will also be compensated for their work on his wrongful termination lawsuit, which amounts to nearly $540,000, according to the settlement records.

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