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Old 7th January 2021, 04:03 PM   #161
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The coup attempt doesn't consist solely of yesterday's events. Its been underway since the election.
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Old 7th January 2021, 04:20 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I don't think it's going to happen. I mean it would require Republicans to have principles and courage. There might be a few out there, but there are very few.
There are a few who can fake it, but suddenly it’s time to vote and they’re right back to being traitors
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Old 7th January 2021, 04:21 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
DEFSEC and Congressional leaders communicate all the time without impropriety.

Do you have evidence of any?

I also seriously doubt DEFSEC and POTUS never communicated at all.

This is right-wing hysteria.

Mayor of D.C. properly requested guard activation. DEFSEC has discretion to activate. The President could issue a directive to rescind that order, but he doesn't have to personally order the DEFSEC to do it.
so you think it's all business as usual then? no particular reason why the pentagon would avoid talking to the president?

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Well gosh, we certainly can’t risk resentment from Republicans! Why, I can’t even imagine what that would look like.

Perhaps instead, they should each be brought a hot cup of cocoa and given a foot massage.
Well, Trump, his enablers in Congress, those scamps that protested their way into the Capitol, they all have leaned a big lesson, to paraphrase Susan Collins.

That lesson of course is with Trump and his cronies and enablers, you can get away with anything. Zero consequences. Just wait to see what they're cooking up for the inaugural. We should start wringing our hands in protest now.
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Old 7th January 2021, 04:23 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
The coup attempt doesn't consist solely of yesterday's events. Its been underway since the election.
I'm more convinced than ever that this was a coup. And you're right it has been underway since the election.

That said, it was a clumsy coup. And that's because Trump did it in his way. Trump's attempted coup included plausible deniability. (I'm channeling Colonel North)

Trump hoped that if he could cause enough chaos and doubt he could keep Congress from counting the votes and somehow keep power. And Rudy was involved entirely. As were others on his staff. The hampered transition. They replaced the Secretary of Defense and others.

I think over time, we are going to see real evidence of a true conspiracy.
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Old 7th January 2021, 04:26 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
The important thing is that they resent being forced to go on record, and they express themselves by voting against you, and you lose.

Basically, never force a vote on something unless you are confident you are going to win it. The people who are on the fence will vote against you if you push too soon.
Let them vote against. Then their refusal to do the right thing is on record when they try to distance themselves from Trump down the road.
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Old 7th January 2021, 04:50 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
The important thing is that they resent being forced to go on record, and they express themselves by voting against you, and you lose.

Basically, never force a vote on something unless you are confident you are going to win it. The people who are on the fence will vote against you if you push too soon.
The problem is that you are also going "on record" by not drafting articles of impeachment and putting them to a vote. What you are saying "on record" is that, as a politician, you are OK with what just happened. Right now, that is deadly in the medium and long term for Democrats. What's worse, it is also deadly for this country as a democracy.
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Old 7th January 2021, 04:59 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Let them vote against. Then their refusal to do the right thing is on record when they try to distance themselves from Trump down the road.
It would be worth it just for the stain of having been the first US President to be impeached twice.
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:02 PM   #169
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The right wing terrorists who attacked police while invading the Capitol have been upgraded to cop killers.
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Cop dies after Trump riot.
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SAN FRANCISCO (KRON) – A U.S. Capitol Police officer has died from injuries sustained during violent riots at the Capitol on Wednesday.

A source tells KRON4’s Alexandra Limon that the police officer was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher by a rioter and was taken off life support.
Now I'm sure of it: Trump and his patriots will learn a big valuable lesson from this.
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No need to prosecute; we might lose.
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:10 PM   #172
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Someone complained that Ashli Babbit was 'bigged up' being called a fourteen-year US Air Vet, when Black police victims have their criminal records dragged out. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we now have Babbit's rap sheet:

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EXCLUSIVE: Airforce vet Trump rioter, 35, who was shot dead by cops while storming Capitol had charges of reckless endangerment, malicious destruction of property and tampering with a car on her rap sheet
Ashli Babbitt, 35, died from a gunshot wound to the chest after she joined dozens of protestors who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday
A witness to the shooting suggested she was shot by police when she tried to climb through a broken window to get into congressional chambers
DailyMail.com can reveal she was previously prosecuted for reckless endangerment, malicious destruction of property in July 2016
The 14-year Air Force veteran was also the subject of two restraining orders
Babbitt, then named McEntree, was also prosecuted for tampering with a 2012 Ford on a country road in Prince Frederick, a Maryland town outside D.C.
Court records reveal police found probable cause for the two criminal charges, but Calvert County court acquitted her of the reckless endangerment charge
She was found not guilty of malicious destruction or tampering
Babbitt was subject to a temporary peace order filed in February 2017
An unidentified loved one sent Babbitt a text as she flew to DC for the protest,
'Be safe. I cannot lose you,' the sender wrote, as Babbitt texted back a selfie from her airplane seat wearing a 'Trump 2020' mask
She wrote: 'Tons of trump supporters on my plane!!!! I'll watch my 6' – using the military term for looking out behind you
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:12 PM   #173
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I just saw Trump's latest tape. Who got to him? He almost sounded repentant, said the Coronavirus was real and had killed "countless" Americans, told everyone Biden was the President, and threw all of yesterday's insurgents under the bus.


That cannot have been Trump.


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Old 7th January 2021, 05:14 PM   #174
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I just saw Trump's latest tape. Who got to him? He almost sounded repentant, said the Coronavirus was real and had killed "countless" Americans, told everyone Biden was the President, and threw all of yesterday's insurgents under the bus.


That cannot have been Trump.


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NVM; bad joke.
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:18 PM   #175
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Originally Posted by fromdownunder View Post
I just saw Trump's latest tape. Who got to him? He almost sounded repentant, said the Coronavirus was real and had killed "countless" Americans, told everyone Biden was the President, and threw all of yesterday's insurgents under the bus.


That cannot have been Trump.


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Ah, but he is still averring the election was rigged.
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Ah, but he is still averring the election was rigged.
Then he's still spreading nonsense to his supporters.
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:25 PM   #177
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The right wing terrorists who attacked police while invading the Capitol have been upgraded to cop killers.
Did they help the extinguisher killer down the stairs?
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He's still lying about sending in the National Guard.
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:34 PM   #179
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Is she still sulking about that yob's feet on her desk?
Well, that's a revealing remark. Revealing, not surprising.
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Old 7th January 2021, 05:46 PM   #180
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I just saw Trump's latest tape. Who got to him?
His Cabinet did, by pretending (and letting the press report) that they were seriously considering a 25th Amendment intervention.
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She wrote: 'Tons of trump supporters on my plane!!!! I'll watch my 6'

She was watching her 6 when she got shot in the face.

I probably shouldn't find that funny, but I do. Typical Trump Competence.
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Old 7th January 2021, 06:00 PM   #182
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Cop dies after Trump riot.


Now I'm sure of it: Trump and his patriots will learn a big valuable lesson from this.
More blood on Trump's hands.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Someone complained that Ashli Babbit was 'bigged up' being called a fourteen-year US Air Vet, when Black police victims have their criminal records dragged out. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we now have Babbit's rap sheet:

DAILY MAIL
Piece of **** got what she deserved. Lots more should have.
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Then he's still spreading nonsense to his supporters.
he allso said he instantly sent the National Guard in......another lie.
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Old 7th January 2021, 06:03 PM   #186
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BTW the CHief of the Capitol Police has resigned.
Probalby a "You can't fire me I quit" situation.
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WINK news, SW Florida. Trump country for certain. The viewer's heads must have exploded.
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BTW the CHief of the Capitol Police has resigned.
Probalby a "You can't fire me I quit" situation.
What's the guy gonna do? He had to know his job was done for after yesterday.
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No, but what else would make someone incapable after they are elected?

I'm including mental health under "medical". I like the "Captain Queeg" analogy, but I would include Queeg's condition as a mental health issue.

I think Trump could be considered to have mental health issues even beyond the malignant narcissism that he has had since birth. I think since the election he has lapsed into a combination of delusion and depression that makes him unfit for office. Now, if someone can just sell that idea to his cabinet.
Correction: psychopaths are born; sociopaths are made. Trump is sociopath. Malignant narcissists (NPD) are likely made but may have a genetic predisposition. From the Mayo Clinic:

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It's not known what causes narcissistic personality disorder. As with personality development and with other mental health disorders, the cause of narcissistic personality disorder is likely complex. Narcissistic personality disorder may be linked to:

Environment ― mismatches in parent-child relationships with either excessive adoration or excessive criticism that is poorly attuned to the child's experience
Genetics ― inherited characteristics
Neurobiology — the connection between the brain and behavior and thinking
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Although the cause of narcissistic personality disorder isn't known, some researchers think that in biologically vulnerable children, parenting styles that are overprotective or neglectful may have an impact. Genetics and neurobiology also may play a role in development of narcissistic personality disorder.
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I think you meant "conceded", but that works, too.
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I don't think it's going to happen. I mean it would require Republicans to have principles and courage. There might be a few out there, but there are very few.
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Cop dies after Trump riot.


Now I'm sure of it: Trump and his patriots will learn a big valuable lesson from this.
Hey, Blue Lives Matter.
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There are a few who can fake it, but suddenly it’s time to vote and they’re right back to being traitors
They must have taken lessons from my ex.
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Is it true that if Trump is impeached and convicted he won't get the usual pension and other ex President perks?
Sentencing on an impeachment conviction can be almost anything Congress wants it to be.

They can say that he can run for president again, that he can’t run for president again, or that he can’t be elected or appointed to any federal office.

I know they can vote to take away the pension. I have no idea if they can vote for the federal death penalty.
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The police officer reported as dead is still alive.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidBegn...54329137651713
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The police officer reported as dead is still alive.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidBegn...54329137651713
Well that changes everything.
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We could have avoided this entire mess if we would have just given the Trump voters participation trophies
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Sentencing on an impeachment conviction can be almost anything Congress wants it to be.

They can say that he can run for president again, that he can’t run for president again, or that he can’t be elected or appointed to any federal office.

I know they can vote to take away the pension. I have no idea if they can vote for the federal death penalty.
No it can't be. The only things impeachment can do is remove him from office and prevent him from running for any Federal office. Taking away his pension would be a separate action. It is NOT a criminal prosecution in any manner.
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36 year old Father of Five

This is sad.

36 year old Father of five Adam Johnson seen gleefully walking off and waving to cameras with the Speaker of the House of Representatives podium. He could face serious felony charges.

Terrible for his family. How irresponsible can you get?
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Originally Posted by fromdownunder View Post
I just saw Trump's latest tape. Who got to him? He almost sounded repentant, said the Coronavirus was real and had killed "countless" Americans, told everyone Biden was the President, and threw all of yesterday's insurgents under the bus.


That cannot have been Trump.


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Bah! He says he's sorry now. You have to be a fool to believe him. If there is any genuine emotion it is fear that he might now face consequences for this and wants to get away with it. But he needs to be prosecuted for this and other things.
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