IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags Florida politics , Matt Gaetz , newsmax

Reply
Old 30th March 2021, 11:51 AM   #1
plague311
Great minds think...
 
plague311's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 10,508
Matt Gaetz reported to be leaving the House

Looks like the House's best Ace Ventura look alike might be leaving to take a job at Newsmax. Which would be great because he's a complete and total dumbass, and he'll fit in perfectly at Newsmax. I also think the GOP might start to believe they aren't going to win the House back. I've heard a lot that it sucks being in the minority in either branch of Congress. Source

Quote:
Gaetz, who was first elected to the House in 2016, the same year Trump won the presidency, has told allies that he is thinking about ending his congressional career in its third term. He's started early conversations with Newsmax about joining the conservative network, according to Axios.
__________________
"Circumcision and death threats go together like milk and cookies." - William Parcher

“There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss
plague311 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 12:05 PM   #2
Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
 
Norman Alexander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Gundungurra
Posts: 10,863
You usually put garbage in the trash can.
__________________
...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015
Norman Alexander is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 12:06 PM   #3
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 35,656
Yeah I imagine being a pure obstructionists troll is a lot harder when you aren't in charge and can't just ignore the other side.
__________________
"When enough people make false promises, words stop meaning anything. Then there are no more answers, only better and better lies." - Jon Snow

"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 02:37 PM   #4
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
 
smartcooky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Nelson, New Zealand
Posts: 19,424
He's a whiny, egotistical, insignificant little pissant. He will fit in just fine at Newsmax.
__________________
If you don't like my posts, opinions, or directness then put me on your ignore list. This will benefit both of us; you won't have to take umbrage at my posts, and I won't have to waste time talking to you... simples!
smartcooky is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 02:58 PM   #5
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 53,134
Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
He's a whiny, egotistical, insignificant little pissant. He will fit in just fine at Newsmax.
I guess Foxnews, for some reason, was not interested....
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

Robert Heinlein.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 03:03 PM   #6
dirtywick
Illuminator
 
dirtywick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,036
Typical Trump conservative values. When things get tough, whine and quit.
dirtywick is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 03:10 PM   #7
Horatius
NWO Kitty Wrangler
 
Horatius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29,398
Originally Posted by dirtywick View Post
Typical Trump conservative values. When things get tough, whine and quit.


But that's the part I don't get - how "tough" is it, really? Now he literally doesn't have to do anything at all, other than whine about how the Democrats won't listen to the GOP. He needs no policies, no positions, no fact-finding, or all that other stuff he'd have to pretend to care about if they were actually in charge any more. Instead of "whine and quit", it should be "whine and cash your paycheck."

Unless the new gig pays a lot more, of course. What kind of premium would you need to give up a job where you have literally nothing you have to do?
__________________
Obviously, that means cats are indeed evil and that ownership or display of a feline is an overt declaration of one's affiliation with dark forces. - Cl1mh4224rd
Horatius is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 03:13 PM   #8
Bob001
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: US of A
Posts: 14,247
Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Looks like the House's best Ace Ventura look alike might be leaving to take a job at Newsmax.
.....

That might not be why he's leaving:
Quote:
Representative Matt Gaetz, Republican of Florida and a close ally of former President Donald J. Trump, is being investigated by the Justice Department over whether he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and paid for her to travel with him, according to three people briefed on the matter.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/u...stigation.html
Bob001 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 04:10 PM   #9
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 90,625
This is a new one:
Quote:
n an interview with the Times, Gaetz said that his lawyers had been in contact with Justice Department officials, who informed him that he was the subject of a federal inquiry. “I only know that it has to do with women,” Gaetz said. “I have a suspicion that someone is trying to recategorize my generosity to ex-girlfriends as something more untoward.” The report came on the same day of an apparent leak from his camp that he was considering an early retirement from Congress to seek a role on the conservative network Newsmax.
MSN not paywalled
Skeptic Ginger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 04:30 PM   #10
Beelzebuddy
Philosopher
 
Beelzebuddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 8,392
It was then that qanon realized the real pedophiles were the friends they'd made along the way.
Beelzebuddy is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 04:40 PM   #11
Elagabalus
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 7,051
Perhaps she's just a beard. Matt is still living with his "son" Nestor.

Rep. Matt Gaetz Said He Has A Teenage Son From Cuba Named Nestor

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...stor-son-cuban
Elagabalus is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 04:47 PM   #12
plague311
Great minds think...
 
plague311's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 10,508
Per his twitter a few hours ago:

Quote:
Over the past several weeks my family and I have been victims of an organized criminal extortion involving a former DOJ official seeking $25 million while threatening to smear my name.

We have been cooperating with federal authorities in this matter...
Quote:
...and my father has even been wearing a wire at the FBI’s direction to catch these criminals. The planted leak to the FBI tonight was intended to thwart that investigation.

No part of the allegations against me are true, and the people pushing these lies are targets...
Quote:
...of the ongoing extortion investigation.

I demand the DOJ immediately release the tapes, made at their direction, which implicate their former colleague in crimes against me based on false allegations.
Conspiracy!

Even if this were true he knows that the FBI is not going to release information on an ongoing investigation, especially one in organized crime.
__________________
"Circumcision and death threats go together like milk and cookies." - William Parcher

“There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss
plague311 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 05:12 PM   #13
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
 
Stacyhs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: United States
Posts: 22,408
I do hope it's true that Gaetz is leaving Congress. Newsmax can have him. He's just the kind of cockroach that would fit in there. But, oh...the schadenfreude I'd experience if it turns out to be true that he is guilty of having a sexual relationship with a 17 year old and taking her over state lines.
Stacyhs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 05:24 PM   #14
Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
 
Norman Alexander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Gundungurra
Posts: 10,863
Originally Posted by the cockroach
Over the past several weeks my family and I have been victims of an organized criminal extortion involving a former DOJ official seeking $25 million while threatening to smear my name.

We have been cooperating with federal authorities in this matter and my father has even been wearing a wire at the FBI’s direction to catch these criminals. The planted leak to the FBI tonight was intended to thwart that investigation.

No part of the allegations against me are true, and the people pushing these lies are targets of the ongoing extortion investigation.

I demand the DOJ immediately release the tapes, made at their direction, which implicate their former colleague in crimes against me based on false allegations.
Even if all this is 100% true and he is as innocent as a little spring lamb, why is it that he has to leave politics and go to Newsmax as a result?

ETA: Could it be that he is just so putrid that he is being forced by his own party to "leave...just leave"?
__________________
...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015

Last edited by Norman Alexander; 30th March 2021 at 05:25 PM.
Norman Alexander is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 06:06 PM   #15
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
 
Stacyhs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: United States
Posts: 22,408
Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Even if all this is 100% true and he is as innocent as a little spring lamb, why is it that he has to leave politics and go to Newsmax as a result?

ETA: Could it be that he is just so putrid that he is being forced by his own party to "leave...just leave"?
Nah, too many in his putrid party are just as putrid.
Stacyhs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 06:32 PM   #16
Resume
Troublesome Passenger
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 20,351
Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Perhaps she's just a beard. Matt is still living with his "son" Nestor.

Rep. Matt Gaetz Said He Has A Teenage Son From Cuba Named Nestor

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...stor-son-cuban
He might want a beard that has reached the age of consent in FL.

Ooops.
Resume is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 07:53 PM   #17
portlandatheist
Illuminator
 
portlandatheist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,697
wow, this story just keeps getting better and better. Newsmax is going to just LOVE this guy
portlandatheist is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 10:30 PM   #18
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
 
Checkmite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Gulf Coast
Posts: 27,147
This is a real tweet he actually posted
__________________
"¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?"
--- Carlos S., 2002
Checkmite is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 30th March 2021, 11:17 PM   #19
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
 
Stacyhs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: United States
Posts: 22,408
Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
My reaction to that entire Twitter page:

Stacyhs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 12:07 AM   #20
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 32,577
Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
That might not be why he's leaving:

Quote:
Representative Matt Gaetz, Republican of Florida and a close ally of former President Donald J. Trump, is being investigated by the Justice Department over whether he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and paid for her to travel with him, according to three people briefed on the matter.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/u...stigation.html
I'm sure he could brazen this out if he chose to. It's not like allegations of this nature is a barrier to political advancement any more.

IMO it's just a case of even more money for even less work.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 12:10 AM   #21
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 90,625
It could also be that internal polls don't give him a chance at reelection in 2022.

IOW the writing's on the wall.
Skeptic Ginger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 12:34 AM   #22
Segnosaur
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada, eh?
Posts: 18,237
Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It could also be that internal polls don't give him a chance at reelection in 2022.
I think that's doubtful.

According to Wikipedia, the seat that he holds leans very heavily republican, and he has won each of his elections with over 60% of the vote.

Maybe there is a chance he could be primaried, but since he is a Trumper through-and-through, that is also doubtful.
__________________
Trust me, I know what I'm doing. - Sledgehammer

I'm Mary Poppin's Y'all! - Yondu

We are Groot - Groot
Segnosaur is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 12:36 AM   #23
timhau
NWO Litter Technician
 
timhau's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I?
Posts: 14,738
Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I'm sure he could brazen this out if he chose to. It's not like allegations of this nature is a barrier to political advancement any more.
They may be, if you don't choose the right party.
__________________
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord, in his wisdom, doesn't work that way. I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me.
- Emo Philips
timhau is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 12:43 AM   #24
Segnosaur
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada, eh?
Posts: 18,237
Originally Posted by timhau View Post
Quote:
I'm sure he could brazen this out if he chose to. It's not like allegations of this nature is a barrier to political advancement any more.
They may be, if you don't choose the right party.
Gaetz is a republican, from a district that heavily leans towards the republicans.

The party of "family values" gladly supported President Pussygrabber, even after he had an affair. The party of "law and order" is more than willing to ignore the corruption of the Trump administration. The party that loves the military was willing to see billions of dollars taken from military families to build a useless border wall.

In other words, they could have videotaped proof that Gaetz had assaulted children, and republicans in his district would still vote for him.
__________________
Trust me, I know what I'm doing. - Sledgehammer

I'm Mary Poppin's Y'all! - Yondu

We are Groot - Groot
Segnosaur is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 12:50 AM   #25
jimbob
Uncritical "thinker"
 
jimbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 23,443
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
My reaction to that entire Twitter page:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...413c55dcee.jpg
I quite liked this one:

https://twitter.com/menace2snacks/st...083471361?s=20

Quote:
heckled by cartels (he/him)
@menace2snacks
·
9h
Unknown
Replying to
@mattgaetz
Hey
@mattgaetz
if the WOKE MOB makes you delete this in light of the allegations you had an inappropriate (read: illegal) relationship with a 17 year old, I want you to know, I screencapped it to keep it safe.

That way, nobody will forget that you said this. Not ever.
__________________
OECD healthcare spending
Public/Compulsory Expenditure on healthcare
https://data.oecd.org/chart/60Tt

Every year since 1990 the US Public healthcare spending has been greater than the UK as a proportion of GDP. More US Tax goes to healthcare than the UK
jimbob is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 02:55 AM   #26
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
 
smartcooky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Nelson, New Zealand
Posts: 19,424
"I say we change Florida’s welcome signs to this"

OK, someone is going to have to explain this to me. What is so bad about this tweet?
__________________
If you don't like my posts, opinions, or directness then put me on your ignore list. This will benefit both of us; you won't have to take umbrage at my posts, and I won't have to waste time talking to you... simples!
smartcooky is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 03:13 AM   #27
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 32,577
Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
"I say we change Florida’s welcome signs to this"

OK, someone is going to have to explain this to me. What is so bad about this tweet?
It's the tweet it was pointing to which stated:

Quote:
There’s no age that you can’t be be sexy.
Which is affirming if you're saying that people over 50, 60, 70, 80 can be sexy but not so much if you're talking about children under 15, 14, 13.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 03:18 AM   #28
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
 
smartcooky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Nelson, New Zealand
Posts: 19,424
Originally Posted by The Don View Post
It's the tweet it was pointing to which stated:

Which is affirming if you're saying that people over 50, 60, 70, 80 can be sexy but not so much if you're talking about children under 15, 14, 13.
OK. I thought that was a reply. I have no real idea how twitter works.

So, did Gaetz quote that tweet?
__________________
If you don't like my posts, opinions, or directness then put me on your ignore list. This will benefit both of us; you won't have to take umbrage at my posts, and I won't have to waste time talking to you... simples!
smartcooky is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 03:21 AM   #29
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 32,577
Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
OK. I thought that was a reply. I have no real idea how twitter works.

So, did Gaetz quote that tweet?
Yes, he suggested that Florida changed its welcome sign to

Quote:
There’s no age that you can’t be be sexy.
Fine, if you're pitching to the snow geese but given the allegations against him, I'm not 100% sure that was Matt Gaetz' intention.

Last edited by The Don; 31st March 2021 at 03:23 AM.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 03:28 AM   #30
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
 
smartcooky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Nelson, New Zealand
Posts: 19,424
Cheers.

I saw him on Faux News tonight with Carlson...the No. 1 and No. 2 most punchable faces on US television!

__________________
If you don't like my posts, opinions, or directness then put me on your ignore list. This will benefit both of us; you won't have to take umbrage at my posts, and I won't have to waste time talking to you... simples!
smartcooky is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 04:31 AM   #31
kookbreaker
Evil Fokker
 
kookbreaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 13,693
A lot of folks noted that on Carlson he referred to the alleged as a “17 year old woman” and not a girl. Seemed like a lot of legitimizing. Even Tucker kinda thought it was weird.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...825096196?s=21
__________________
www.spectrum-scientifics.com <- My store of science toys, instruments and general fun!

Thanks for helping me win Best Toys in Philly Voter in 2011,2012, and 2014! We won' be discussing the disappointment that was 2013.

Last edited by kookbreaker; 31st March 2021 at 04:32 AM.
kookbreaker is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 05:38 AM   #32
Norman Alexander
Penultimate Amazing
 
Norman Alexander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Gundungurra
Posts: 10,863
Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Gaetz is a republican, from a district that heavily leans towards the republicans.

The party of "family values" gladly supported President Pussygrabber, even after he had an affair. The party of "law and order" is more than willing to ignore the corruption of the Trump administration. The party that loves the military was willing to see billions of dollars taken from military families to build a useless border wall.

In other words, they could have videotaped proof that Gaetz had assaulted children, and republicans in his district would take Tucker's word for it that it doesn't exist, refuse to even look at it if it was presented to them, say it was "fake nooz!" if they did see it accidentally, and would still vote for him.
There's none so blind as those who will not see.
__________________
...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015
Norman Alexander is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 05:51 AM   #33
Craig4
Penultimate Amazing
 
Craig4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: I live in a swamp
Posts: 24,120
His demise will be fun to watch. It's unfortunate about his adoptive son though. I'm afraid he's going to be hit with some of the shrapnel.
Craig4 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 05:57 AM   #34
Horatius
NWO Kitty Wrangler
 
Horatius's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 29,398
I really want to hear more about this alleged blackmail for $25 million thing. Because in my googling, his net worth seems to be somewhat less than $1 million. Even if they thought he'd pilfer his election funds, that's still less than $2 million on hand.

So how did this alleged cabal of Justice Department insiders not realize that he doesn't have the money to pay? Did they think he'd go begging his rich friends for the difference? Maybe a Go Fund Me? Wouldn't expecting your blackmail victim to go scrounging for 25 times the amount of money he actually has kind of work against the idea of blackmail? "Hey, does anyone know why Gaetz is asking everyone for money all of a sudden? Maybe we should look into that....."

Or maybe it's double secret reverse blackmail, where they want people to start asking that so they'll find out what he was up to on their own....which would mean he was guilty.

But again, seriously, who blackmails someone with fake dirt? Particularly a "someone" who could call in the FBI at the drop of a hat. How exactly did they expect this to play out?

There's just all sorts of bizarre in this.
__________________
Obviously, that means cats are indeed evil and that ownership or display of a feline is an overt declaration of one's affiliation with dark forces. - Cl1mh4224rd
Horatius is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 05:58 AM   #35
SuburbanTurkey
Penultimate Amazing
 
SuburbanTurkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 11,731
Gaetz investigation seems to have resulted from his friendship with another man charged with sex trafficking.

Quote:
Federal authorities are investigating potential sex trafficking violations by U.S. Rep. Matt Gaetz, a probe that emerged from the prosecution of former Seminole County tax collector Joel Greenberg, according to a report by the New York Times.

...

Greenberg resigned as tax collector in June, after he was arrested at his home by federal agents. He faces 14 charges, including allegations that he stalked a political opponent, illegally used a state database to create fake IDs and sex trafficked a minor.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/po...eyq-story.html
__________________
Gobble gobble
SuburbanTurkey is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 06:07 AM   #36
plague311
Great minds think...
 
plague311's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 10,508
Apparently the Tucker Carlson interview, even by his standard, was extremely strange.

Quote:
“If you just saw our Matt Gaetz interview, that was one of the weirdest interviews I have ever conducted,” Carlson said to his viewers after the segment on his Fox News show “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”
And that's coming from Tucker ******* Carlson. The interview included this wtf moment:

Quote:
“I know that there was a demand for money in exchange for a commitment that he could make this investigation go away along with his co-conspirators,” Gaetz told Carlson.

“They even claimed to have specific connections inside the Biden White House,” he added. “Now, I don’t know if that’s true. They were promising that Joe Biden would pardon me. Obviously, I don’t need a pardon. I’m not seeking a pardon. I have not done anything improper or wrong.”
Gaetz is referring to the person that is extorting him and then mentions Biden was going to pardon him. Then says he doesn't need it. I think Matt is panicking.

Source
__________________
"Circumcision and death threats go together like milk and cookies." - William Parcher

“There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss

Last edited by plague311; 31st March 2021 at 06:10 AM.
plague311 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 06:18 AM   #37
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 35,656
I do legit wonder how many of the recent Republicans in Congress were operating under the assumptions that:

- Trump really was going to somehow stay in power forever
- Therefore nobody would investigate any wrong doings they had committed and wouldn't care if they found any.

A lot of them are acting like a card player who suddenly looked down at their hands and realized that just noticed that the flush they have been bluffing with and raising the pot on was really 4 spades and a club and they are no longer sure their opponents don't really have the better hand.
__________________
"When enough people make false promises, words stop meaning anything. Then there are no more answers, only better and better lies." - Jon Snow

"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 06:40 AM   #38
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 32,577
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I do legit wonder how many of the recent Republicans in Congress were operating under the assumptions that:

- Trump really was going to somehow stay in power forever
- Therefore nobody would investigate any wrong doings they had committed and wouldn't care if they found any.

A lot of them are acting like a card player who suddenly looked down at their hands and realized that just noticed that the flush they have been bluffing with and raising the pot on was really 4 spades and a club and they are no longer sure their opponents don't really have the better hand.
Maybe they're pinning their hopes on the fact that any jury would contain at least one Republican voter and that, in the current political climate, that Republican could be persuaded that the whole thing is just a Democrat sting and be persuaded to vote to acquit ?
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 06:45 AM   #39
The Don
Penultimate Amazing
 
The Don's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sir Fynwy
Posts: 32,577
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I really want to hear more about this alleged blackmail for $25 million thing. Because in my googling, his net worth seems to be somewhat less than $1 million. Even if they thought he'd pilfer his election funds, that's still less than $2 million on hand.

So how did this alleged cabal of Justice Department insiders not realize that he doesn't have the money to pay? Did they think he'd go begging his rich friends for the difference? Maybe a Go Fund Me? Wouldn't expecting your blackmail victim to go scrounging for 25 times the amount of money he actually has kind of work against the idea of blackmail? "Hey, does anyone know why Gaetz is asking everyone for money all of a sudden? Maybe we should look into that....."

Or maybe it's double secret reverse blackmail, where they want people to start asking that so they'll find out what he was up to on their own....which would mean he was guilty.

But again, seriously, who blackmails someone with fake dirt? Particularly a "someone" who could call in the FBI at the drop of a hat. How exactly did they expect this to play out?

There's just all sorts of bizarre in this.
It makes sense if the evidence is real and that Matt Gaetz is actually guilty.

In that light, presenting the whole thing as a political hit job, and then claiming that the DOJ under Biden is corrupt and is blackmailing him means that at worst any conviction can be handwaved away (and subsequently pardoned by the next GOP President) and at best the jury can be convinced not to convict.

It's not like there would be any negative consequences arising from a claim that he is being wrongfully blackmailed by the DOJ.
The Don is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 31st March 2021, 06:52 AM   #40
Segnosaur
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada, eh?
Posts: 18,237
Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Maybe they're pinning their hopes on the fact that any jury would contain at least one Republican voter and that, in the current political climate, that Republican could be persuaded that the whole thing is just a Democrat sting and be persuaded to vote to acquit ?
Probably depends on where the trial is held for any charges he might face.

If they hold the trial in the district that Gaetz represents (which skews heavily republican), there is probably a pretty good chance there will be at least one MAGAchud on the jury who will vote not guilty regardless of evidence. On the other hand, if he is tried in a place like Washington D.C. (if that were possible), it would be easier to keep away potential jurors who might be biased.
__________________
Trust me, I know what I'm doing. - Sledgehammer

I'm Mary Poppin's Y'all! - Yondu

We are Groot - Groot
Segnosaur is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:33 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.