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Old 31st March 2021, 07:12 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I do legit wonder how many of the recent Republicans in Congress were operating under the assumptions that:

- Trump really was going to somehow stay in power forever
- Therefore nobody would investigate any wrong doings they had committed and wouldn't care if they found any.

A lot of them are acting like a card player who suddenly looked down at their hands and realized that just noticed that the flush they have been bluffing with and raising the pot on was really 4 spades and a club and they are no longer sure their opponents don't really have the better hand.
I wonder if Gaetz even understood that he might be violating the law by taking a minor across state lines while having a sexual relationship. Is it common knowledge?

Probably not something most 38 year old men have to worry about in their dating choices. Middle aged men don't normally try to pick up dates with high schoolers, or at least understand that doing so is socially stigmatized even if technically legal.
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Old 31st March 2021, 07:18 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
That might not be why he's leaving:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/u...stigation.html
I bet the QAnon crowd are all over this. They're very against politicians being involved with the sex trafficking of minors. So I'm sure everybody who follows Q or self-identifies as a QAnonner is soundly condemning Gaetz as we speak.
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Old 31st March 2021, 07:19 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Perhaps she's just a beard. Matt is still living with his "son" Nestor.

Rep. Matt Gaetz Said He Has A Teenage Son From Cuba Named Nestor

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...stor-son-cuban
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Old 31st March 2021, 07:21 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I wonder if Gaetz even understood that he might be violating the law by taking a minor across state lines while having a sexual relationship. Is it common knowledge?
I dunno. The phrase "across state lines" throws up all sorts of red flags in my head. Add the words "sexual" and "minor" and the number of red flags go up exponentially.

With our infant kids, my wife insisted we carry copies of their birth certificates when traveling out of state. That would suggest the knowledge is not uncommon.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
It makes sense if the evidence is real and that Matt Gaetz is actually guilty.

In that light, presenting the whole thing as a political hit job, and then claiming that the DOJ under Biden is corrupt and is blackmailing him means that at worst any conviction can be handwaved away (and subsequently pardoned by the next GOP President) and at best the jury can be convinced not to convict.

It's not like there would be any negative consequences arising from a claim that he is being wrongfully blackmailed by the DOJ.


Yeah, this just being the desperate flailing of someone who knows he's going down in flames makes sense. But it's just sooo desperate. If I were to lie about something like this, I'd at least try to make the lie plausible. Does he think he can pull off a Big Lie like trump did?
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I wonder if Gaetz even understood that he might be violating the law by taking a minor across state lines while having a sexual relationship. Is it common knowledge?
According to Wikipedia, Gaetz went to the College of William & Mary Law School and has a law degree. Even if it is not common knowledge that transporting a minor across state lines is illegal, Gaetz should probably have been aware of the potential legal problems due to his educational background.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I do legit wonder how many of the recent Republicans in Congress were operating under the assumptions that:

- Trump really was going to somehow stay in power forever
- Therefore nobody would investigate any wrong doings they had committed and wouldn't care if they found any.

A lot of them are acting like a card player who suddenly looked down at their hands and realized that just noticed that the flush they have been bluffing with and raising the pot on was really 4 spades and a club and they are no longer sure their opponents don't really have the better hand.
Drunk on power: "hangover?! Nah, I'll be just fine! *bleeeeurghhh* More boooooze!"
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
According to Wikipedia, Gaetz went to the College of William & Mary Law School and has a law degree. Even if it is not common knowledge that transporting a minor across state lines is illegal, Gaetz should probably have been aware of the potential legal problems due to his educational background.


Maybe he was out sick that day.

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Old 31st March 2021, 07:49 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
According to Wikipedia, Gaetz went to the College of William & Mary Law School and has a law degree. Even if it is not common knowledge that transporting a minor across state lines is illegal, Gaetz should probably have been aware of the potential legal problems due to his educational background.
Oof, yeah, you'd think a law school grad would be familiar with the Mann Act.
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
A lot of folks noted that on Carlson he referred to the alleged as a “17 year old woman” and not a girl. Seemed like a lot of legitimizing. Even Tucker kinda thought it was weird.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...825096196?s=21
Wow! That was weird.

And it came across almost as if there was some undertone of "If I go down, I'm taking you with me, Tucker!"

Tucker thought it was weird because Gaetz was saying, "You know what it's like to be accused of sex crimes that you obviously didn't do, right!" and "You remember that time when I was at dinner with a lady, and you were there right, so you know..."

Both times, Tucker wanted to point out to viewers, "Uhhh, yeah the thing you are referring to was a crazy lady" and "I don't actually remember anything at all about some woman you were with."
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Oof, yeah, you'd think a law school grad would be familiar with the Mann Act.


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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Oof, yeah, you'd think a law school grad would be familiar with the Mann Act.
Gaetz: "But she wasn't a man!" *looks confused*
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Gaetz: "But she wasn't a man!" *looks confused*
"Just like the Mounties, we always get our man!"
"Ms. Peacock was a man!?"
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Old 31st March 2021, 08:14 AM   #54
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Just because someone is in to girls doesn't mean they're not also in to boys.
But...he's cheating on Nestor ...
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Old 31st March 2021, 08:24 AM   #55
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
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Or maybe it's double secret reverse blackmail, where they want people to start asking that so they'll find out what he was up to on their own....which would mean he was guilty.

But again, seriously, who blackmails someone with fake dirt? Particularly a "someone" who could call in the FBI at the drop of a hat. How exactly did they expect this to play out?

There's just all sorts of bizarre in this.
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But...he's cheating on Nestor ...
Okay, so I looked this up on Wikipedia and it is ... an unusual arrangement, is it not? A straight man in his late 30s who happens to be living with a teenage brother of an ex-girlfriend.
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Twitter, Reddit, Imgur, etc are getting flooded with old Gaetz tweets that let's just say haven't aged well.
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Gaetz investigation seems to have resulted from his friendship with another man charged with sex trafficking.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/po...eyq-story.html

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Not coming to the defense of Gaetz, who when I first saw him talking in congress reminded me so much of Jonah from Veep it was actually concerning, but..

Why can't people just be ****** politicians anymore? It seems like everyone has to be a literal monster, surviving on the blood of children, laughing manically as old people die, you get the picture.

Even if the description of what he is being accused of doing is accurate, banging a 17 year old in more than one state is not really what people picture when they hear "child sex trafficking".

That also brings up this weird US thing where legal and moral are at such odds over what can be arbitrary things. Yesterday, she was 17, young, frail, easily manipulated.. a child! But today she's 18, a strong confident woman ready to take on the world and become someone I can watch on pornhub without regret or legal ramifications!
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Condolences, again, to Matthew Gertz:

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Seems he'll be spending time replying "wrong guy" to more hateful comments intended for Gaetz.

https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/sta...32174982823941
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Not coming to the defense of Gaetz, who when I first saw him talking in congress reminded me so much of Jonah from Veep it was actually concerning, but..

Why can't people just be ****** politicians anymore? It seems like everyone has to be a literal monster, surviving on the blood of children, laughing manically as old people die, you get the picture.

Even if the description of what he is being accused of doing is accurate, banging a 17 year old in more than one state is not really what people picture when they hear "child sex trafficking".

That also brings up this weird US thing where legal and moral are at such odds over what can be arbitrary things. Yesterday, she was 17, young, frail, easily manipulated.. a child! But today she's 18, a strong confident woman ready to take on the world and become someone I can watch on pornhub without regret or legal ramifications!
To be fair, it would probably still be a minor scandal if 38 year old Gaetz was having a fling with an 18 year old still in high school. Potential legal issues escalate the scandal quite a bit, but it would still be pretty gross and probably damaging to his reputation.
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Yeah, this just being the desperate flailing of someone who knows he's going down in flames makes sense. But it's just sooo desperate. If I were to lie about something like this, I'd at least try to make the lie plausible. Does he think he can pull off a Big Lie like trump did?

According to OANN:

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...During an interview on Tuesday, the Florida representative named former DOJ official David McGee as the man who is trying to extort him and his family...
https://www.oann.com/gop-rep-gaetz-d...onduct-claims/

So the DOJ official has a name! The thick plottens!

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I really want to hear more about this alleged blackmail for $25 million thing. Because in my googling, his net worth seems to be somewhat less than $1 million. Even if they thought he'd pilfer his election funds, that's still less than $2 million on hand.

So how did this alleged cabal of Justice Department insiders not realize that he doesn't have the money to pay? Did they think he'd go begging his rich friends for the difference? Maybe a Go Fund Me? Wouldn't expecting your blackmail victim to go scrounging for 25 times the amount of money he actually has kind of work against the idea of blackmail? "Hey, does anyone know why Gaetz is asking everyone for money all of a sudden? Maybe we should look into that....."

Or maybe it's double secret reverse blackmail, where they want people to start asking that so they'll find out what he was up to on their own....which would mean he was guilty.

But again, seriously, who blackmails someone with fake dirt? Particularly a "someone" who could call in the FBI at the drop of a hat. How exactly did they expect this to play out?

There's just all sorts of bizarre in this.
I understand the rich Gaetz patriarch is the moneybags for the alleged extortion.
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Cheers.

I saw him on Faux News tonight with Carlson...the No. 1 and No. 2 most punchable faces on US television!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y4zzs6e6bd...aetz.jpg?raw=1
Gaetz has a massive head compared to his body. Did you see him at CPAC?



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I wonder if Gaetz even understood that he might be violating the law by taking a minor across state lines while having a sexual relationship. Is it common knowledge?

Probably not something most 38 year old men have to worry about in their dating choices. Middle aged men don't normally try to pick up dates with high schoolers, or at least understand that doing so is socially stigmatized even if technically legal.
Common knowledge, perhaps not. But Gaetz is a libertarian; in my experience few are more expertly familiar with the precise ages of consent in each state and territory.
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Yeah, this just being the desperate flailing of someone who knows he's going down in flames makes sense. But it's just sooo desperate. If I were to lie about something like this, I'd at least try to make the lie plausible. Does he think he can pull off a Big Lie like trump did?
Has anyone pointed out how this obvious lie doesn't even line up temporally? The investigation started months before he claims to have been extorted.
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Wondered how long before the "What's the big deal, she's only 17" thing came about.
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Rachel says all this as though it was a bad thing. Surely he is only preparing to run against T***P at the next GOP presidential nominating convention? He appears to be much more qualified.

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Has anyone pointed out how this obvious lie doesn't even line up temporally? The investigation started months before he claims to have been extorted.
Exactly, it started under Bill Barr and the Trump admin. Which really crushes the whole "this is politically motivated by the dems!" argument.
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Has anyone pointed out how this obvious lie doesn't even line up temporally? The investigation started months before he claims to have been extorted.
Oh like that matters. He's a Republicans and Republican at this point are a cult.

"Prove to me 17 year old girls even exist, I think that is fake news" is not beyond what they will stoop to to troll reality itself.
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Oh like that matters. He's a Republicans and Republican at this point are a cult.

"Prove to me 17 year old girls even exist, I think that is fake news" is not beyond their what they will stoop to to troll reality itself.
Read the Fox News comments if you dare lol. This is all a Dem conspiracy, sir.
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Old 31st March 2021, 09:59 AM   #72
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Gaetz has a massive head compared to his body. Did you see him at CPAC?



Oh, lordy, that suit!
What is even more remarkable is how $%^&ing empty it is.
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Fun Fact:

Matt Gaetz grew up in the house used as the Truman home in the Jim Carrey film, "Truman," the character whose life was a reality TV show. LOL
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But that's the part I don't get - how "tough" is it, really? Now he literally doesn't have to do anything at all, other than whine about how the Democrats won't listen to the GOP. He needs no policies, no positions, no fact-finding, or all that other stuff he'd have to pretend to care about if they were actually in charge any more. Instead of "whine and quit", it should be "whine and cash your paycheck."

Unless the new gig pays a lot more, of course. What kind of premium would you need to give up a job where you have literally nothing you have to do?
Ya, but he can't take direct payments from the Koch or Mercer in Congress. Also, his particular niche as "snot-nosed punk who does nothing but throw meat to the base" is getting crowded within the GOP. Particularly because of certain members from Colorado and Georgia. And they have certain assets that he doesn't. And he can't be the older white guy in that role with Gym Jordan and Moron Brooks around for the foreseeable future. So, unless he is willing to demonstrate the proper use of sex toys on the floor of the House, he doesn't really have a way to stand out in Congress.

Media talking head works best for him. He's doing it now instead of his current job. And he wouldn't need to worry about any sort of ethics violations. I imagine White America News and NewsmaKKKs are throwing out fat stacks right now until their sugar daddies cut them off as well.
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Gaetz has a massive head compared to his body. Did you see him at CPAC?



Oh, lordy, that suit!
The Herb Tarlek collection is making a comeback!
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Why can't people just be ****** politicians anymore? It seems like everyone has to be a literal monster, surviving on the blood of children, laughing manically as old people die, you get the picture.
People might be a little more willing to cut the republicans some slack, if they weren't feeding on the whole 'Q-Anon/Demos are running a child sex ring' conspiracy theory, and weren't trying to portray themselves as the party of morality.

"Listen to what our invisible sky daddy says about abortion, gay rights and sex outside of marriage. And while we take the moral high road, just ignore our congressman having sex with young girls".
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That also brings up this weird US thing where legal and moral are at such odds over what can be arbitrary things. Yesterday, she was 17, young, frail, easily manipulated.. a child! But today she's 18, a strong confident woman ready to take on the world and become someone I can watch on pornhub without regret or legal ramifications!
Yes, the dividing line between "child" and "adult" is, to some degree arbitrary. But that line still exists in a legal sense. You would figure that someone who had a legal degree would understand that.

It would be great if we could have some sort of "maturity test" that can be applied to various rights and privileges (like voting, drinking, sex) rather than relying on a simple age number, but since that is impractical, we're stuck with the '18 year old' as the delimiter.
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
Ya, but he can't take direct payments from the Koch or Mercer in Congress. Also, his particular niche as "snot-nosed punk who does nothing but throw meat to the base" is getting crowded within the GOP. Particularly because of certain members from Colorado and Georgia. And they have certain assets that he doesn't. And he can't be the older white guy in that role with Gym Jordan and Moron Brooks around for the foreseeable future. So, unless he is willing to demonstrate the proper use of sex toys on the floor of the House, he doesn't really have a way to stand out in Congress.

Media talking head works best for him. He's doing it now instead of his current job. And he wouldn't need to worry about any sort of ethics violations. I imagine White America News and NewsmaKKKs are throwing out fat stacks right now until their sugar daddies cut them off as well.
It's demeaning of you to refer to an 18 year old woman as a sex toy. Be better.

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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Gaetz has a massive head compared to his body. Did you see him at CPAC?



Oh, lordy, that suit!
Straight from the uncanny valley.
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