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Old 31st March 2021, 10:49 AM   #81
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Gaetz twitter reads like Trump's during the Russia investigation. Constant retweets of right wing talking heads saying how innocent he is, and how his father is backing up his story.
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Old 31st March 2021, 10:54 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Gaetz twitter reads like Trump's during the Russia investigation. Constant retweets of right wing talking heads saying how innocent he is, and how his father is backing up his story.


Okay, anybody want to take bets that the "FBI Agent" who asked his dad to wear a wire was really just Jacob Wohl?
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Old 31st March 2021, 11:01 AM   #83
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In a surprise to absolutely no one David McGee has denied the accusations that Gaetz has made. Per business insider:

Originally Posted by David McGee
This is a blatant attempt to distract from the fact that Matt Gaetz is apparently about to (be) indicted for sex trafficking underage girls
David McGee is now a lawyer for a law firm in Florida. Beggs & Lane.
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Old 31st March 2021, 11:15 AM   #84
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The one *big* problem with Matt Gaetz's explanation
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I was thinking about this as well. If David McGee was extorting him for $25m to get the case to go away, wouldn't he still have to work at the DOJ? If he isn't there anymore he has no control over the case, or have the ability to drop the case.
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Old 31st March 2021, 11:35 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
In a surprise to absolutely no one David McGee has denied the accusations that Gaetz has made. Per business insider:



David McGee is now a lawyer for a law firm in Florida. Beggs & Lane.
Gaetz: "Yeah ... it was David."
Reporter: "David, who?"
Gaetz: "uh ... David ... David ... Mc ... "
Reporter: "David McGee the ex DOJ attorney?!"
Gaetz: "Yes! That one!"
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Apparently the Tucker Carlson interview, even by his standard, was extremely strange.

And that's coming from Tucker ******* Carlson. The interview included this wtf moment:

Gaetz is referring to the person that is extorting him and then mentions Biden was going to pardon him. Then says he doesn't need it. I think Matt is panicking.

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Not important enough for Fox to defend? Or the folks at Fox know this guy is going to look even worse when this all comes out and they have enough on their hands defending Trump's behavior?
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Gaetz: "Yeah ... it was David."
Reporter: "David, who?"
Gaetz: "uh ... David ... David ... Mc ... "
Reporter: "David McGee the ex DOJ attorney?!"
Gaetz: "Yes! That one!"


DOJ: "Dave's not here, man....."
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Old 31st March 2021, 11:57 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
DOJ: "Dave's not here, man....."


So on the one hand he says the 17 yr old doesn't exist and on the other he says she's a 17 yr old woman.

And paying for a hotel room for a woman of legal age?

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Old 31st March 2021, 12:16 PM   #90
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
A lot of them are acting like a card player who suddenly looked down at their hands and realized that just noticed that the flush they have been bluffing with and raising the pot on was really 4 spades and a club and they are no longer sure their opponents don't really have the better hand.
That is such a bad feeling. Not as bad as that feeling when you realize that you have a plane ticket and hotel room for a 17 year old on your AMEX, but looking down and realizing that your "spade" flush has two Jacks in it or whatever, just awful.
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Another big problem

Even if the extortion allegations are true, the investigation into Gaetz for sex trafficking began before the alleged extortion... when the DoJ was under Bill Barr - therefore, its possible for both things to be true, the sex trafficking and the extortion.

Methinks Daddy is not going to able able to pry him out of this one, and then fire the cops.
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Old 31st March 2021, 12:58 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"Age is just a number! So you're saying yesterday she was a child, today she's not."

Yes. That's how time works.
Indeed, the Fluxus Nunc continues.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
That is such a bad feeling. Not as bad as that feeling when you realize that you have a plane ticket and hotel room for a 17 year old on your AMEX, but looking down and realizing that your "spade" flush has two Jacks in it or whatever, just awful.
Now I can't wait to find out that he used campaign money on this. Oh please let that be the case.
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Exactly, it started under Bill Barr and the Trump admin. Which really crushes the whole "this is politically motivated by the dems!" argument.
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Oh like that matters. He's a Republicans and Republican at this point are a cult.

"Prove to me 17 year old girls even exist, I think that is fake news" is not beyond what they will stoop to to troll reality itself.
It turns out Gaetz's allegation isn't exactly what I thought. His claim is not that the investigation was started because he was being blackmailed. His claim is that he was being blackmailed with the already existing investigation being made public. He claims this somehow makes the already existing investigation a political hit job. That was personally signed off on by Bill Barr.

Yeah...
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It turns out Gaetz's allegation isn't exactly what I thought. His claim is not that the investigation was started because he was being blackmailed. His claim is that he was being blackmailed with the already existing investigation being made public. He claims this somehow makes the already existing investigation a political hit job. That was personally signed off on by Bill Barr.

Yeah...
...and that the person doing the blackmailing somehow still has control over the investigation through a tangled web of connections that go all the way up to the White House!

I don't know what he's stressing about though, he already said Biden was going to give him a pardon.

But a pardon? He don't need no stinkin' pardon.
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Yeah, Matt can say whatever he wants. None of that will matter if he was messing around with underage girls.
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Didn't he just get married? That may be why he isn't just shutting up about the whole thing. His new wife may be the audience.
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To be fair, it would probably still be a minor scandal if 38 year old Gaetz was having a fling with an 18 year old still in high school. Potential legal issues escalate the scandal quite a bit, but it would still be pretty gross and probably damaging to his reputation.
For sure, and even non legal things that allow a congressman to be blackmailed is not a good situation. He could have been doing something completely legal that would hurt his job prospects worse. Like if he was outed a furry.


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People might be a little more willing to cut the republicans some slack, if they weren't feeding on the whole 'Q-Anon/Demos are running a child sex ring' conspiracy theory, and weren't trying to portray themselves as the party of morality.
For sure, but it is not like demonizing and conspiracy theories is a partisan thing. Also, you think the Republicans are the only party portraying themselves as the party of morality? I'd concede that only if it was specific to what they consider Christian values.


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Yes, the dividing line between "child" and "adult" is, to some degree arbitrary. But that line still exists in a legal sense. You would figure that someone who had a legal degree would understand that.

It would be great if we could have some sort of "maturity test" that can be applied to various rights and privileges (like voting, drinking, sex) rather than relying on a simple age number, but since that is impractical, we're stuck with the '18 year old' as the delimiter.
I don't have any issue with having a legal age cut off, it is necessary and while somewhat arbitrary I don't think it is really out of what most consider an acceptable range for different activities. I am talking about moral acceptability, and how selective it is on stuff like this.


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Wondered how long before the "What's the big deal, she's only 17" thing came about.
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"Age is just a number! So you're saying yesterday she was a child, today she's not."

Yes. That's how time works.
It's not really the age of consent stuff about the story, although I did add onto my post with that stuff. More on the framing and what is regularly perceived by words. It can be completely accurate reporting and wildly different from what you would think.

"Matt Gaetz involved in child sex trafficking" is the same as "Matt Gaetz let's his 17 year old girlfriend use his Uber account to meet him at Holiday Inn in Georgia for sex". Illegal, and he should be charged with whatever crime he committed, but feels like it cheapens the term.
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Gaetz's father has apparently released "documents" supposedly detailing this "extortion" scheme; but the weird part is, it doesn't sound like extortion, it sounds like bribery.

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The elder Gaetz said that he got a text message on March 16 from Kent, who has claimed he put together a mission to rescue Levinson, a retired FBI agent, from Iran in 2018 that was foiled by the U.S. government.

“I would like to talk with you immediately about the current federal investigation, and the indictment that is about to filed against your son,” the message read.

“I have a plan that can make his future legal and political problems go away.”

The message went on to say that he had located Levinson in Iran and had two proof-of-life videos. If Don Gaetz would help secure Levinson’s release, the message said, his son would get credit and a presidential pardon.

The next day, according to Don Gaetz, he met with Kent and was given the “Project Homecoming” document, which opened with a description of the supposed FBI investigation of Matt Gaetz, referencing alleged photographs of the congressman and an unnamed election official in a “sexual orgy with underage prostitutes.”

The three-page letter, according to the Examiner, went on to say—with no corroboration—that a grand jury had been impaneled to hear evidence against Gaetz and others.

“In exchange for funds being arranged, and upon the release of Robert Levinson, Congressman Gaetz shall be given credit for facilitating the release of Mr. Levinson. Congressman Gaetz shall also be on the plane that returns Mr. Levinson to freedom, and shall be the person to “reunited” Mr. Levinson with his family and bring Mr. Levinson back to the United States.”

It went on to day that “in exchange for the funds being arranged, and upon the release of Mr. Levinson, the team that delivers Mr. Levinson to the President of The United States shall strongly advocate that President Biden issue a Presidential Pardon, or instruct the Department of Justice to terminate any and all investigations involving Congressman Gaetz.”
Gaetz, according to this description of the "scheme", was already being investigated by the DoJ; so it's not like the schemers were threatening to tell the FBI anything incriminating about him. Rather, if Gaetz's father paid the money and Levinson ended up being freed, Gaetz would get the credit for the release and the "conspirators" would ask the Biden Administration to either pardon Gaetz or have the DoJ investigation into him quietly canceled.

But, even if this plot is real, and whether or not it amounts to extortion, the original investigation into Gaetz and underage sex allegations were evidently independently begun by the DoJ sometime before the plot began.
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The plot strongly implies that daddy Gaetz knows his son was involved with underage girls. If he didn’t think so, there’s no reason to allow the FBI to extort them for $25M since the exchange is to ask Biden to pardon him or drop the charges. An innocent person would be content to let the process play out knowing there is nothing to find.

In other words, this is obviously very stupid.
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I'm surprised there wasn't a Nigerian prince involved.
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The plot strongly implies that daddy Gaetz knows his son was involved with underage girls. If he didn’t think so, there’s no reason to allow the FBI to extort them for $25M since the exchange is to ask Biden to pardon him or drop the charges. An innocent person would be content to let the process play out knowing there is nothing to find.
Not quite.

The people "extorting" him, were not the FBI. They were supposedly McGee and a couple of accomplices who had learned about the alleged investigation into Gaetz, presumably through old friends still at the DoJ. The senior Gaetz claims that he reported the alleged extortion attempt to the FBI, and the FBI had him wear a wire to his next meeting with the extortionists. So he (Gaetz' father) does appear to be asserting that he did not believe that there was really an investigation or that any investigation that was underway against his son had any merit.

But there's still two major problems with the story:

1. If the senior Gaetz was cooperating with the conspirators (at the direction of the FBI, wearing a wire and all that), there was no reason for the conspirators to "leak" the story to the New York Times. If somebody else unconnected with the conspirators leaked the story, that strongly suggests that there really is some kind of sex investigation into Gaetz going on at the DoJ that multiple ears have heard about.

2. It seems to me the details in the elder Gaetz' alleged "document from the conspirators", in which they supposedly claim that Gaetz was photographed with "an unnamed election official" at an "orgy with underage prostitutes", do not appear to quite match the allegation leaked to the NY Times, regarding Gaetz traveling to Florida with an underaged girlfriend. These seems to be further evidence that the extortionists and the leakers are not the same people.
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Tucker was definitely giving out the vibes that “hey when.... if this turns out to be true, I want it on the record that I asked the tough questions said how weird the interview was.”
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For sure, and even non legal things that allow a congressman to be blackmailed is not a good situation. He could have been doing something completely legal that would hurt his job prospects worse. Like if he was outed a furry.




For sure, but it is not like demonizing and conspiracy theories is a partisan thing. Also, you think the Republicans are the only party portraying themselves as the party of morality? I'd concede that only if it was specific to what they consider Christian values.




I don't have any issue with having a legal age cut off, it is necessary and while somewhat arbitrary I don't think it is really out of what most consider an acceptable range for different activities. I am talking about moral acceptability, and how selective it is on stuff like this.





It's not really the age of consent stuff about the story, although I did add onto my post with that stuff. More on the framing and what is regularly perceived by words. It can be completely accurate reporting and wildly different from what you would think.

"Matt Gaetz involved in child sex trafficking" is the same as "Matt Gaetz let's his 17 year old girlfriend use his Uber account to meet him at Holiday Inn in Georgia for sex". Illegal, and he should be charged with whatever crime he committed, but feels like it cheapens the term.
Tough ****** If it sounds bad, he only has himself to blame.
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Reminds me of a saying, often repeated, from my childhood; Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. What I learned from this is to always tell the truth (mostly) as a good percentage of the time nobody believes you anyway.
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OK. I thought that was a reply. I have no real idea how twitter works.

So, did Gaetz quote that tweet?
I think your question was answered to your satisfaction long ago. Yes, Gaetz quoted the tweet (the thumb pointing down told me that. The implications of the quote didn't really strike me; the phrase just doesn't sound correct to me. I want a preposition in there, but putting it at the end of the sentence is also jarring and putting it in the middle of the sentence sounds stilted. To wit:

"There’s no age that you can’t be sexy."
"There's no age that you can't be sexy at."
"There's no age at which you can't be sexy."

To avoid the issue I would rephrase: "You can be sexy at any age."

I have a compulsion to smooth out prose; wish someone would pay me to do it again

Gaetz looks like someone trying to project a wholesome image. That always creeps me out.

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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
To avoid the issue I would rephrase: "You can be sexy at any age."
Given the context of what's happening now, I really don't think any way that's phrased really comes off well. Everyone knows what he's saying, that old people should still have confidence, but any combination of the words "any age" and "sexy" would end up kicking him square in the nuts.

The one question that confuses is me is, why are the ones that have **** to hide the loudest? Why do they draw the most attention to themselves? I'm not complaining, but it always seems like the people who want the most attention are the ones that should be zipping it.
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Old 31st March 2021, 06:31 PM   #109
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Not quite.

The people "extorting" him, were not the FBI. They were supposedly McGee and a couple of accomplices who had learned about the alleged investigation into Gaetz, presumably through old friends still at the DoJ. The senior Gaetz claims that he reported the alleged extortion attempt to the FBI, and the FBI had him wear a wire to his next meeting with the extortionists. So he (Gaetz' father) does appear to be asserting that he did not believe that there was really an investigation or that any investigation that was underway against his son had any merit.

But there's still two major problems with the story:

1. If the senior Gaetz was cooperating with the conspirators (at the direction of the FBI, wearing a wire and all that), there was no reason for the conspirators to "leak" the story to the New York Times. If somebody else unconnected with the conspirators leaked the story, that strongly suggests that there really is some kind of sex investigation into Gaetz going on at the DoJ that multiple ears have heard about.

2. It seems to me the details in the elder Gaetz' alleged "document from the conspirators", in which they supposedly claim that Gaetz was photographed with "an unnamed election official" at an "orgy with underage prostitutes", do not appear to quite match the allegation leaked to the NY Times, regarding Gaetz traveling to Florida with an underaged girlfriend. These seems to be further evidence that the extortionists and the leakers are not the same people.
Matt Gaetz himself confirmed he was under investigation. So to me it’s not whether or not he’s under investigation, which everyone knew he was. I’m not sure the extortion plot is real. It would rely on daddy Gaetz believing both that they have the leverage and have access to Biden and could get him a pardon, which is pretty unbelievable on its own. McGee would have to be pretty ballsy to send a written communication attempting to blackmail someone for $25M on something so flimsy.

The whole thing stinks.
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Old 31st March 2021, 06:34 PM   #110
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Old 31st March 2021, 06:43 PM   #111
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Gaetz has a massive head compared to his body. Did you see him at CPAC?



Oh, lordy, that suit!
I have this strange urge to play checkers.
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
I’m pleased at myself for getting that reference.
It just means you're an old fart like me.
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Old 31st March 2021, 07:25 PM   #113
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Gaetz has a massive head compared to his body. Did you see him at CPAC?



Oh, lordy, that suit!
He looks like Heat Miser and Bill Hader had a baby they abandoned in a novelty suit store.
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Old 31st March 2021, 07:52 PM   #114
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
A lot of folks noted that on Carlson he referred to the alleged as a “17 year old woman” and not a girl. Seemed like a lot of legitimizing. Even Tucker kinda thought it was weird.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...825096196?s=21
What a weird dude. Certainly he was held as one of the GOP's finest among the MAGA crowd.
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Old 31st March 2021, 08:26 PM   #115
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I'm surprised there wasn't a Nigerian prince involved.
Maybe by tomorrow, give it time.
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Maybe they're pinning their hopes on the fact that any jury would contain at least one Republican voter and that, in the current political climate, that Republican could be persuaded that the whole thing is just a Democrat sting and be persuaded to vote to acquit ?

The Manafort trial should have told them this was unlikely.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
The Manafort trial should have told them this was unlikely.
It told them that they need to sling more poop around.
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I imagine his lawyer is just tickled about the interview on Carlson. It's exactly what every defense attorney says their clients should do.
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That also brings up this weird US thing where legal and moral are at such odds over what can be arbitrary things. Yesterday, she was 17, young, frail, easily manipulated.. a child! But today she's 18, a strong confident woman ready to take on the world and become someone I can watch on pornhub without regret or legal ramifications!
The law is the law. If he was a honest principled politician who believes that he has done nothing wrong he would admit his legal guilt while arguing against the relevant law(s). Depending on what exactly he's suspected of he could potentially make a very strong case.
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