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Old 12th October 2021, 06:27 PM   #361
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Well, I will sure be rooting for the Nets this season (except when they play the Sacramento Kings, of course ).
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Old 12th October 2021, 07:34 PM   #362
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I just remembered that Kylie thinks the Earth is flat.....
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I think they run Epoch TV which also seems to be becoming a favourite outlet for right-wingers and general reactionaries to peddle all kinds of crap.
Epoch TV is to Falun Gong what Russia Today is to Putin.
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The police in Seattle were threatening to quit rather than get vaccinated. My son lives there and says the local reaction was: go right ahead. We don't need to defund you now. Good riddance.
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Old 13th October 2021, 10:14 AM   #365
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The police in Seattle were threatening to quit rather than get vaccinated. My son lives there and says the local reaction was: go right ahead. We don't need to defund you now. Good riddance.
"Oh no, the dumbest, most lunatic fringe of our workforce is threatening to self-identify and voluntarily resign, whatever will we do!"

I don't believe that mass walkouts of the unvaxxed ******** will actually happen, but it's nice to dream that the insane right would deliberately self-destruct their lives to own the libs this way.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
"Oh no, the dumbest, most lunatic fringe of our workforce is threatening to self-identify and voluntarily resign, whatever will we do!"

I don't believe that mass walkouts of the unvaxxed ******** will actually happen, but it's nice to dream that the insane right would deliberately self-destruct their lives to own the libs this way.
Vaccine mandates are in effect for health care workers in Ontario. News reports have the refusal rates generally around 2%, which the health authorities say is manageable and will soon be covered by new hires. It will be interesting to see how this rate carries through other locations and professions. No doubt the refusals will be much higher in law enforcement, getting rid of many of the nut cases that their unions would otherwise protect. A small silver lining to COVID 19, perhaps?
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Vaccine mandates are in effect for health care workers in Ontario. News reports have the refusal rates generally around 2%, which the health authorities say is manageable and will soon be covered by new hires. It will be interesting to see how this rate carries through other locations and professions. No doubt the refusals will be much higher in law enforcement, getting rid of many of the nut cases that their unions would otherwise protect. A small silver lining to COVID 19, perhaps?
Other industries are seeing rates of around 1%-3% leaving the workforce rather than taking the shots.

I wonder about the numbers a bit. Are they only counting actual people fired due to vaccine refusal, or are they also counting early retirements and voluntary resignations as a means of avoiding the shots? I was in a training a few weeks ago with some coworkers who implied (but didn't outright state) that they would retire early due to this.

I mean I support the mandates but I can be pretty detail-oriented so just wonder a bit. I mean 1%-3% is well within the bounds of normal annual workplace flux, probably pretty close to monthly turnover. But if it is 1%-3% plus a bunch of early retirements and resignations, it might have a bigger impact on the operations of some businesses and agencies.

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Other industries are seeing rates of around 1%-3% leaving the workforce rather than taking the shots.

I wonder about the numbers a bit. Are they only counting actual people fired due to vaccine refusal, or are they also counting early retirements and voluntary resignations as a means of avoiding the shots? I was in a training a few weeks ago with some coworkers who implied (but didn't outright state) that they would retire early due to this.

I mean I support the mandates but I can be pretty detail-oriented so just wonder a bit. I mean 1%-3% is well within the bounds of normal annual workplace flux, probably pretty close to monthly turnover. But if it is 1%-3% plus a bunch of early retirements and resignations, it might have a bigger impact on the operations of some businesses and agencies.
Good points. It would be interesting to know the details. I expect it is above normal turnover levels but I have not seen that actually stated. But IMO it is mostly academic as long as employers can mange the situation without hardship on the remaining workers, and on the public that relies on the services.
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The police in Seattle were threatening to quit rather than get vaccinated. My son lives there and says the local reaction was: go right ahead. We don't need to defund you now. Good riddance.
I suspect Derek Chauvin would be among those were he still employed. There is a dangerous, anti-American/pro-Trump element in policing that the country could do without out. Americans should be policed by Americans, not Trump supporters. I prefer they get long haul COVID so they are non-battle attrition but I'll settle for the anti-vax, anti-Americans being off the force.
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My daughter works in retail and has had to deal with quite a few non-maskers and anti-vaxers over the course of the last year. Yesterday, a woman came into the store with this purported document. My daughter called for a manager, and after a brief, but heated, discussion the woman was asked to leave the store. Karen or maroon, or both? The lengths some people will go to in order to avoid something that might save their lives stymies me. And it's free, to boot.

Regardless of what the document purports, our governor is currently working under an emergency authorization that empowers her mandates. So everything about this "document" is ridiculous. As well as the person that tried to use it.

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Originally Posted by kevbo View Post
My daughter works in retail and has had to deal with quite a few non-maskers and anti-vaxers over the course of the last year. Yesterday, a woman came into the store with this purported document. My daughter called for a manager, and after a brief, but heated, discussion the woman was asked to leave the store. Karen or maroon, or both? The lengths some people will go to in order to avoid something that might save their lives stymies me. And it's free, to boot.

Regardless of what the document purports, our governor is currently working under an emergency authorization that empowers her mandates. So everything about this "document" is ridiculous. As well as the person that tried to use it.

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Sov-cit lingo (notice to agent is notice to principle . . . ) with a side of anti-mask/anti-vax. Complete bull ****.
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Sov-cit lingo (notice to agent is notice to principle . . . ) with a side of anti-mask/anti-vax. Complete bull ****.
Exactly. And yet, they keep trying. Instead of try, try again... they should follow something along the line of try, try again, then quit... no sense continuing to make a fool of oneself.

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They might as well go whole hog:

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Please, do not attempt to commit crime of denying service to Soviet American citizen. This is fascist tactic that is not tolerable to decent people. If you attempt to commit this crime, of course, you wish to be safe and comfortable in home. But maybe is no longer possible. Refrain from commit crime and continue to enjoy peaceful style of existence.
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Originally Posted by kevbo View Post
My daughter works in retail and has had to deal with quite a few non-maskers and anti-vaxers over the course of the last year. Yesterday, a woman came into the store with this purported document. My daughter called for a manager, and after a brief, but heated, discussion the woman was asked to leave the store. Karen or maroon, or both? The lengths some people will go to in order to avoid something that might save their lives stymies me. And it's free, to boot.

Regardless of what the document purports, our governor is currently working under an emergency authorization that empowers her mandates. So everything about this "document" is ridiculous. As well as the person that tried to use it.

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Only an idiot anti-masker would attempt to pass that printed up piece of nonsense and think anyone is going to think it has any legitimacy.
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I love that last flourish: "YOU HAVE BEEN NOTICED!" I am so glad, as I'm invisible most of the time.

I wonder how many of those screaming meemies have protested at convenience stores that post "No Shoes no Shirt No Service?" I wonder how many of them possess enough contiguous brain cells to understand the similarity?

e.t.a. I just noticed the part where it says the Governor cannot and does not enforce the law. Is Oregon some special case among States, that the Executive Branch is not....umm...y'know, like.... executive?
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I love that last flourish: "YOU HAVE BEEN NOTICED!" I am so glad, as I'm invisible most of the time...
Could they have meant "notified?"

I like the statement: "OSHA AND OHA ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, FOR PROFIT, CORPORATIONS..." Do the protesters know they're government agencies and are 'just saying' they aren't ("alternate facts") or are they really that dense?

Actually the more you read this the dumber it seems. My sympathies to the retail workers who have to deal with these idiots. I've worked with the public and, you know how they say you cant 'fix stupid?' Well, you can't reason with it either.
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Could they have meant "notified?"

I like the statement: "OSHA AND OHA ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, FOR PROFIT, CORPORATIONS..." Do the protesters know they're government agencies and are 'just saying' they aren't ("alternate facts") or are they really that dense?

Actually the more you read this the dumber it seems. My sympathies to the retail workers who have to deal with these idiots. I've worked with the public and, you know how they say you cant 'fix stupid?' Well, you can't reason with it either.
I wish parents wouldn't use their children who are too young to understand what their parents are protesting about like that woman in the picture.
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Could they have meant "notified?"

I like the statement: "OSHA AND OHA ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, FOR PROFIT, CORPORATIONS..." Do the protesters know they're government agencies and are 'just saying' they aren't ("alternate facts") or are they really that dense?. :

It’s a standard Sov Cit/FOTLer position that the government itself is a for-profit corporation, and therefore laws are a contract that the Sov Cit/FOTLer only has to follow if they consent to them.

Note that when they want to do business with someone else the consent of that person is suddenly not required.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Could they have meant "notified?"

I like the statement: "OSHA AND OHA ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, FOR PROFIT, CORPORATIONS..." Do the protesters know they're government agencies and are 'just saying' they aren't ("alternate facts") or are they really that dense?

Actually the more you read this the dumber it seems. My sympathies to the retail workers who have to deal with these idiots. I've worked with the public and, you know how they say you cant 'fix stupid?' Well, you can't reason with it either.
It upsets me when the stupid breed.
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My daughter works in retail and has had to deal with quite a few non-maskers and anti-vaxers over the course of the last year. Yesterday, a woman came into the store with this purported document. My daughter called for a manager, and after a brief, but heated, discussion the woman was asked to leave the store. Karen or maroon, or both? The lengths some people will go to in order to avoid something that might save their lives stymies me. And it's free, to boot.

Regardless of what the document purports, our governor is currently working under an emergency authorization that empowers her mandates. So everything about this "document" is ridiculous. As well as the person that tried to use it.

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This just showed up in my newsfeed. Exactly who does Google think I am?

The Unvaccinated Are Looking Smarter Every Week

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...very_week.html

Not even sure where to begin.
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This just showed up in my newsfeed. Exactly who does Google think I am?

The Unvaccinated Are Looking Smarter Every Week

https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...very_week.html

Not even sure where to begin.
I googled the author. As just a physician, he gets terrible reviews. Arrogant, doesn't listen, doesn't follow professional diagnostic practices. Only one reviewer mentioned his antivax idiocy.
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I googled the author. As just a physician, he gets terrible reviews. Arrogant, doesn't listen, doesn't follow professional diagnostic practices. Only one reviewer mentioned his antivax idiocy.
Just goes to show that even so-called 'smart people' can be idiots, too. Seems like an oxymoron, but it's the truth.
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Just goes to show that even so-called 'smart people' can be idiots, too. Seems like an oxymoron, but it's the truth.
And don't forget that in any class half the graduates are below average, and if 50 people pass, somewhere in the world is the one who passed 50th. Probably writing a blog about how much smarter he is than the other 49.
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I googled the author. As just a physician, he gets terrible reviews. Arrogant, doesn't listen, doesn't follow professional diagnostic practices. Only one reviewer mentioned his antivax idiocy.
It's an "AmericanThinker" article.

Read this....

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These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims,” American Thinker editor Thomas Lifson wrote. “It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees.
Yup. That is AmericanThinkers retraction. Grovelling apology even. Not for that article, but an example of how reliable they are.

Read the rest.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...statement.html
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It's an "AmericanThinker" article.

Read this....



Yup. That is AmericanThinkers retraction. Grovelling apology even. Not for that article, but an example of how reliable they are.

Read the rest.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...statement.html
Media Bias/Fact Checker on American Thinker:

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"Overall, we rate the American Thinker, Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of conspiracy theories/pseudoscience, use of poor sources, and several failed fact checks.
Detailed Report
Reasoning: Conspiracy, Propaganda, Lack of Ownership Transparency, Failed Fact Checks
Bias Rating: EXTREME RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA (45/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
Yep, that's some fine evidence there!
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Media Bias/Fact Checker on American Thinker:



Yep, that's some fine evidence there!
Well, people in general can only work with what they have. I would say that this website does an admirable job of summing up what they have to work with. Nothing but lies, misdirection, and conspiracy theories. So sad, really.

I have to keep reminding myself that it is not a reflection of our education system in general, but each individual's failure to embrace the education they were offered that allows them to be so easily duped. While more critical thinking skills could be taught (obviously), the people receiving the education must be willing to be receptive to those skills. How does one do that when parents, and peers, refuse to think, and instead choose to follow blindly?
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the U.S. Government has a deadline of November 22 for all federal employees to be "fully vaccinated". This means two-weeks after the final shot.

That leads to this timeline:

• October 11: First dose deadline (Moderna COVID-19 vaccine)
• October 18: First dose deadline (Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine)
• November 8: Second dose deadline (Moderna and Pfizer vaccine)
• November 8: First (only) dose deadline (Johnson and Johnson COVID-19 vaccine)
• November 22: Federal employees must be fully vaccinated
Today is the last day for U.S. federal employees to get the first shot of a two-shot series. They've got until November 8 to get the J&J if they still want to.

Disciplinary action against unvaccinated employees will begin on Nov. 9 (at least that's the current stated plan).
They get a five-day "counselling period" followed by suspension.
I believe it is two weeks of (unpaid) suspension before they begin the process to fire them.
Disciplinary action for any given employee will be "paused" if the employee gets the shot, with possibility of resumption if the employee refuses to get the second shot of a two-shot series.
I think that means that employees who don't start the shots early enough but then finally get started on it all may stay suspended without pay until two weeks after the final shot, but they won't get fired (unless they refuse the second shot). That's just a guess, I don't really know how they'll deal with foot-draggers who comply but only after missing deadlines. (ETA: I was wrong on the crossed out part. If they get the first shot of a two part series but after the deadline, then suspension gets put "on hold" until the second shot. If they refuse the second shot, the suspension resumes and the agency moves towards firing the employee).

Biden Administration Outlines Process for Disciplining, Removing Unvaccinated Feds

This all assumes that deadlines don't get pushed back. I could foresee some combination of lawsuits and political pressure pushing things back a bit. Union pressure maybe - or a rush to get the J&J on the 8th could result in a shortage of that particular shot and I imagine the government could grant some sort of short grace period to account to delays due to supply issues.


(ETA2: looks like a person could game the system a bit to delay getting the shots until the end of the counselling period - but I think they would still have a suspension written into their personnel file - sort of a delayed suspension, but still there in the paperwork. I'm not sure how such disciplinary marks actually affect a federal employee, or the hiring/promoting process for feds. And suspensions for Covid refusal may be viewed differently than suspensions/disciplinary action for other sorts of bad conduct. Time will tell.)

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Old 18th October 2021, 03:14 PM   #390
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My dentist just called me and asked me to bring proof of vax to my appointment tomorrow. Happy to oblige!


Meanwhile I heard my landlord/roommate talking on the phone about how vax companies are just trying to make money and are pushing people to get vaxed. And he's liberal! Last month it was "My daughter says that the vax has petroleum products in it"


I said, "So what even if it did? What does that mean to you?" duuuh derr.



Jebus kripes. He's a dumbass on many levels though so whatever.
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Well, people in general can only work with what they have. I would say that this website does an admirable job of summing up what they have to work with. Nothing but lies, misdirection, and conspiracy theories. So sad, really.

I have to keep reminding myself that it is not a reflection of our education system in general, but each individual's failure to embrace the education they were offered that allows them to be so easily duped. While more critical thinking skills could be taught (obviously), the people receiving the education must be willing to be receptive to those skills. How does one do that when parents, and peers, refuse to think, and instead choose to follow blindly?
Agreed. Some people are just not capable of critical thinking. They just don't have the capacity. You can usually spot them easily: they're wearing MAGA hats and/or attending Trump rallies.
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A college just freed up a lot of their budget

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Washington State fired football coach Nick Rolovich and four of his assistants today for refusing a state mandate that all employees get vaccinated against COVID-19, making him the first major college coach to lose his job over vaccination status.

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat, had set a deadline of Monday for thousands of state employees, including the Cougars’ coach, to be vaccinated. Rolovich applied for a religious exemption, which was denied today, Washington State athletic director Pat Chun said.

Defensive coordinator Jake Dickert will be elevated to acting coach, and his first game in charge will be Saturday at home against BYU.

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Rolovich, 42, was the highest-paid state employee, with an annual salary of more than $3 million in a contract that runs through 2025. He had said he wouldn’t get vaccinated but wouldn’t specify his reasons. He was the only unvaccinated head coach in the Pac-12 and wore a mask during games.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/...ccine-refusal/

Lol what a scrub.
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If you want a chuckle, there's videos going around of crybaby cops giving dramatic "last sign offs" as they chose to become unemployed rather than protect the public by getting a vaccine.

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“This is the last time you’ll hear me in a patrol car and Jay Inslee can kiss my ass.”

Washington State Trooper in Yakima, Wash. signs off after 22 years — fired by
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https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/statu...38761474199555

The biggest crybaby cops in this country are quitting their jobs in a huff. Talk about silver linings!

I note that many of these cops seem to be long in the career and are likely choosing an early retirement. It's hard to imagine a younger cop giving up such an cushy job and entering the real job market where such piggish attitudes are not tolerated.

ETA: Odd day when I find myself agreeing with the likes of Matthwe Yglesias:

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If vaccine mandates cause the most insubordinate minority of law enforcement officers to self-purge, that’s a bonus.
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...35815745970181

I don't think these tantrums resonate with anyone but completely conspiracy poisoned conservatives.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
A college just freed up a lot of their budget

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...Rolovich, 42, was the highest-paid state employee, with an annual salary of more than $3 million in a contract that runs through 2025...

Lol what a scrub.

Nice to see them starting to pay an actual price for believing their own propaganda.

I keep telling them that believing your own BS is a mistake, but I guess if they were smart enough to understand that, they'd be smart enough not to believe it in the first place.

Good riddance to them.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Nice to see them starting to pay an actual price for believing their own propaganda.

I keep telling them that believing your own BS is a mistake, but I guess if they were smart enough to understand that, they'd be smart enough not to believe it in the first place.

Good riddance to them.
Feel kinda bad for the student athletes and the rest of the org. The whole team has been thrown in disarray early in their football season because of the idiotic and selfish actions of the head coach and a handful of assistants.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
If you want a chuckle, there's videos going around of crybaby cops giving dramatic "last sign offs" as they chose to become unemployed rather than protect the public by getting a vaccine....
In this case, he's retiring, not quitting. I liked this reply on Twitter.

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Thanks his fellow officers for keeping him safe but won't keep them safe in return... can't make this up.

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cbsnew.com - COVID-19 is now killing more law enforcement officers than any other threat they face in the line of duty — 716 officers have died since March 2020, according to the Fraternal Order of Police.
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Feel kinda bad for the student athletes and the rest of the org. The whole team has been thrown in disarray early in their football season because of the idiotic and selfish actions of the head coach and a handful of assistants.
An interesting situation, in which the head coach has pretty much confirmed that he wasn't worth three million bucks a year. It would be nice if the athletes manage to come through without him and prove it doubly.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post

I note that many of these cops seem to be long in the career and are likely choosing an early retirement. It's hard to imagine a younger cop giving up such an cushy job and entering the real job market where such piggish attitudes are not tolerated.
I wonder how many have already fully vested in their pensions and have pretty much topped out in their careers.


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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
A college just freed up a lot of their budget

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/...ccine-refusal/

Lol what a scrub.
I live in Washington State but on the West Side of the State. Washington State University is located in the far Eastern side of the State just a couple of miles from the Idaho border. The difference between Western Washington and Eastern Washington is like day and night. Eastern Washington is rural with maybe a twentieth of the population of Western Washington. Where Western Washington is dominated by Democrats and liberal politicians. Eastern politicians are almost always Republican. And frankly there are lots of crazies over there that I think would be angry about anyone being fired for refusing the vaccine mandate. But this coach hasn't been particularly successful so they might not care.
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I have no doubt some people will be angry they fired him, but that's just another grievance in a long line of grievances from people with a persecution complex. They'll ask to keep politics out of sports until a coach with a political position they agree with faces some consequences of bringing politics into sports, they call colleges soft but demand safe spaces and special treatment for people that agree with them and want to keep the government out of the workplace and their lives until they want the government to protect them from overreach of an employer.

At some point, like, who cares what these people think.
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