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30th June 2019, 04:34 PM | #481 |
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We're getting two different stories depending on whom you believe. Mignini from the article cited above:
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I think that a key part of Mignini's MO in dealing with suspects, courts and the media has been to present himself as a benign, compassionate, scrupulously honest and fair public servant, who perhaps doesn't like/enjoy doing the job he does, but who does the job nevertheless - with neither fear nor favour - to serve victims and the Italian state. Of course, there's a large amount of evidence to point instead towards Mignini being proud, narcissistic, highly invested in winning (at all costs?), vindictive, a back-door leaker of information to the media when it helps his cause, guided by bizarre extremes of Catholic dogma, and (last but not least) some sort of latter-day Sherlock Holmes who can sniff out perpetrators through intuition, instinct and herculean powers of deductive reasoning. Oh, and a liar and a cheat to boot (e.g. his lies about his application to hold Knox and Sollecito without access to legal counsel, using legislation that was specifically only designed to be applied to mobsters and terrorists, or his (and his department's, under his control) repeated obfuscation over disclosure/discovery to the defence teams, or the way in which he extracted Knox's "spontaneous declaration"). I suspect his well-cultivated connections within the judiciary and politics will have unfortunately made him somewhat bulletproof (especially in a country as shambolic, patronage-based and petty-corrupt as Italy), but man would it be nice to see him properly held to account. |
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Indeed - as I said, it's not altogether surprising that conflicting accounts exist depending on who is doing the telling (assuming, as seems likely, that Lalli himself was the source of Follain's information). It would, I suggest, seem more unusual for a forensic pathologist to tell lies against a PM (who was the senior figure in the investigation, and who would have had significantly more power and connections than Lalli) than the other way around. And in addition, there are plenty more examples of Mignini being, shall we say, "economical with the actualité" |
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Amanda speaking in Italy
Here is a clip of Amanda speaking in Italy. You all probably already saw this. But I thought I should post it.
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Yes, totally. On the Guede timing, I'd add that Guede would have had no idea whether anyone walking close to the cottage (or even living in one of the nearby apartments) might have heard the scream - if Guede had, say, claimed the scream happened at 10.30pm and then someone reliable had come forward to state they heard a loud scream at 9.20pm, Guede's whole account would immediately become suspicious. And Guede could easily have figured this out. And on the timing front, I'd further add in Kercher's aborted phone call to her mother, and the fact that she never even attempted to call again. Kercher was in the practice of calling her (sick) mother every day, and she hadn't spoken with her yet that day. It would appear, on the face of it, very strange that Kercher might have attempted an aborted call (we don't know why it was aborted) at 8.58pm that evening, then lounged around on her bed for well over two hours (as per the convicting courts...) without even once attempting to call her mother back. A far more rational explanation is that Kercher indeed intended to try calling again once she was home and had put her stuff down and maybe gone to the bathroom or got a drink etc, but that she was interrupted, confronted and attacked shortly after getting through the front door. By Guede. |
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I looked at Lalli's testimony regarding the delay in taking the body temperature. When asked if delaying it was his choice, he said "no".
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I wonder if Lalli read Mignini's claim that it was Lalli who requested the delay.
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My point was, The Sun quotes
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Google translation: "The comment by Raffaele Sollecito, Amanda Knox's ex-boyfriend, is cold: "I regret that Rudy Guede has never regretted it and I hope that those who gave him permission did so in a path of social reintegration". Sollecito says he does not expect new truths. "Rudy always said lies and he would even tell you now."
So DM and Sun misrepresented who the source of the quote was. Does anyone think that was an accidental mistake? I suggest that claiming it was from Amanda gave the quote more publicity value for the two tabloids. The tabloids are all about clicks and readership, accuracy or truth, not so much. |
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It could have been a mistake but, when it comes to the tabloids, it could just as easily have been intentional. Such is their credibility.
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In the YouTube link below at position 1:03:30 through to 1:05:24 Mignini discusses the subject of the body temperature. Mignini, Lalli, and Steffanoni are present at VDP. Mignini says he instructs Lalli to take the temperature "immediately"; however Mignini goes on to say that Steffanoni protests and says that the procedure "would disrupt the scene". Further on Mignini says he tells Lalli again to take the temperature; however it didn't happen, he concedes that the temperature should have been taken in hindsight.
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I don't see much mention of Maresca/Kerchers in any of these links regarding Rudy's temporary release, or did I miss something? A google search didn't come up with anything. I did have a brief look at the Daily Beast but I didn't find much there either. It looks like Rudy's premature short-term release is all fine and dandy to them.
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That's a little unfair. The media does not care what the victim's family think of the real killer. The chattering class of tabloid readers don't care about that.
The click-bait is when the media hypes what the Kerchers may (or may not) have said about Knox. The Kerchers have no control over sophisticated media out after clicks. |
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This is a recent podcast exchange between two PGPs, Roberta Glass and guest Jennifer Tuesday Prichard. I had many exchanges in a closed group with the latter before she was tossed off for her nasty behavior (and it's a very tolerant forum). To say she's a piece of work is an understatement.
Like many PGP, she parrots the prosecution and presents it as fact. The exchange starts off with claiming Knox got off on 'a technicality'. Later they go into the 'lamp' theory stating it was "found under the bed as if someone was searching for something" and that it had been wiped clean. Neither is true. They also say that PIP claim the (non-blood) mixed DNA in Filomena's room reacted because Knox had "a root vegetable on her feet". They then proceed to state it had to be blood. Glasser says "You never hear about the blood in Filomena's room". That's because there wasn't any! They make no mention of the negative TMB tests. They also state that the bloody bathmat footprint was Sollecito's with no mention that no court found that had been established. Glass claims that the pair were 'continuously kissing" outside the cottage and then states that Knox's hair doesn't look like "freshly washed blow dried hair". Yet no police or anyone else stated that Knox's hair was not clean. Prichard states she can't see how someone could "get in through the glass " of the window without cutting himself as if he climbed in through the broken window instead of opening it like he actually did. Prichard then asks how Sollecito would know nothing was taken from the house during his call to the police as if that supports it being staged. Gee, I dunno...because they saw obviously valuable objects in open view like a camera and laptop? Prichard tells two whoppers and claims Amanda's footprint was found in Meredith's bedroom and that hairs "of Amanda's color" were found in Meredith's hand. Both untrue and famous unsupported PGP myths . Prichard even repeats the "Amanda was caught with a mop in her hand" lie. But my favorite bit of idiocy from this pair is when they claim that, if you accept that the DNA of RS and AK is contamination or all wrong then you have to accept all of Guede's DNA was wrong too and 'throw it all out'. Of course, they don't mention that none of AK's DNA was challenged at that only the DNA of RS on the bra was claimed as contamination and that none of Guede's was LCN. Prichard then mentions the "cut or abrasion" on Knox's neck. It was a hickey! The prison doctor did not list it as a cut or abrasion. This nonsense goes on and on. Prichard remains as ignorant as ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQWh...e6MalnOvgkax8E |
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Mignini saw the body at the crime scene. He saw Knox have a melt down when her knife drawer was searched.
<fx taps side of nose> He knows who did it. If you read further in the article he says he would do it all again and ask for a life sentence. What kind of a diseased mind would want to see a murderer walk free? |
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You do realise Knox actually wasn't there though, don't you? (Keener minds can easily realise that the Marasca SC panel only introduced the hypothesis about Knox "being present" - and then going on to say that even if that were true, it in no way constitutes guilt of murder anyhow - in order not to contradict the prior SC ruling on the criminal slander charge) |
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Um well firstly, Mignini is not and was not a "copper". And secondly, yes: some law enforcement agents are bastards. And liars. And cheats. Not all of them, but some. And they include our friend in Perugia. Why on earth do you think UK legislators introduced the Police And Criminal Evidence Act in the 1980s, Vixen? Do you think that most of the clauses in that act would ever have been deemed necessary if the British police could be implicitly counted on to be honest, fair and scrupulous at all times? Critical thinking: it's genuinely useful in helping to figure out the truth and cut through the crap. |
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Oh dear. At a murder scene, the scene needs to be kept as unchanged as possible. IOW in this case when Mignini arrived, Stefanoni was there heading up the forensics team. Mignini had to think on his feet as to what was more important: capturing DNA or getting the body temperature. He came down on the side of getting the DNA. By that time anyway, Meredith had been dead over twelve hours so an estimate of TOD would not have been exact anyway. We know already the time of death fell within a two-hour time frame. Closely connected to Knox and Sollecito switching off their phones.
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Why would a guilty Knox have a "meltdown" (actually, tears and shaking) when the knife drawer in the cottage kitchen was searched? After all, if there's one thing everyone agrees upon, it's that no knives from the cottage kitchen were used in the attack. See - a logical, reasonable person might propose that in fact it's perfectly feasible that a factually-innocent Knox might have seen the knives in the drawer when it was opened, knowing that her housemate had had her throat cut with a knife, and it might suddenly have brought into sharp relief the horrific death her housemate and friend had suffered. And that that was actually what caused her tears and shaking. As I said: Critical thinking - it's great!! |
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You do know it's a near-certainty that neither Knox nor Sollecito had anything whatsoever to do with the Kercher murder? And that in any case there's not one single piece of credible, reliable evidence linking either of them to the murder? And that in fact all of the credible, reliable evidence is entirely consistent with Guede as sole attacker, with a single knife? And that the only logical conclusion to draw from all of the above is that Guede alone attacked and killed Kercher? Let me know if you need any help figuring this all out. |
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Why on earth do you think Knox has any fear of "warning shots" from Guede? She had nothing to do with the murder, which was almost certainly committed by Guede and Guede alone. And she's been definitively acquitted and exonerated by the Italian Supreme Court (did you miss that announcement?). So sad, so strange. |
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