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22nd October 2019, 09:26 AM | #3441 |
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A psychological study on those still active on TJMK would be extremely interesting.
"Dr Stefanoni with Dr Mignini, two world-class professionals". LOL! Both were solidly shot down in a scathing SC MR but to TJMK, they're "world-class professionals". On the other hand, every expert who criticized Stefanoni's work/findings and any judge who acquitted is "bent" and/or under the control of the mafia and/or Masons. Hysterical! |
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22nd October 2019, 01:45 PM | #3443 |
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22nd October 2019, 01:51 PM | #3446 |
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22nd October 2019, 02:11 PM | #3447 |
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In a thread titled "Who Killed Meredith Kercher?", the answer is obvious. Rudy Guede and no one else. |
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22nd October 2019, 02:13 PM | #3448 |
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22nd October 2019, 02:16 PM | #3449 |
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Oh, good lord. You've written some staggeringly silly things but this one takes the cake. Go back and read my post again and see if you can figure out exactly how your statement that I'm "claiming DNA cultivates on a glove" is so profoundly ridiculous. Pay special attention to the part about the gloves and touching things, specifically the door handle that Sollecito touched.
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22nd October 2019, 02:22 PM | #3450 |
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That's not what the point of the discussion was. But, once again, you apparently don't comprehend what you read very well. May we now expect you to never again mention the names of Balding or Garofano (or anyone else who did not testify in court) when it comes to this case?
By the way, that dirty gloves can contaminate evidence by transferring DNA is not a 'theory': it is an established scientific fact supported by numerous studies. |
22nd October 2019, 02:28 PM | #3451 |
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"That's right."?
What's right? That Hellmann appeal persecution expert Prof. Novelli was not a judge? Nothing new here, that's what I said... What about my question about you having a "quote from the transcripts" for that "meteorite quote" attributed to Novelli? Well, thanks to Stacyhs we know that Prof Novelli said that stupid thing to a newspaper a month before he said more stupid things in his actual testimony... You said: "His testimony was accepted.", do you know, what he said? Hint: nothing about "meteorites striking courts" |
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22nd October 2019, 02:35 PM | #3452 |
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But that quote was not given as part of his testimony. It was given in a newspaper interview. So you are wrong that the quote you provided was made by a judge and during Novelli's testimony.
Pity for you that Marasca Bruno accepted the testimony of Conti and Vecchiotti regarding the contamination over Novelli. |
22nd October 2019, 02:36 PM | #3453 |
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Please point me to the transcript of the testimony of Luciano Garofano...
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22nd October 2019, 02:38 PM | #3454 |
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Speaking of ignorant...I never said DNA grows on dirt and I am not thinking of bacteria. I spoke only of the TRANSFERENCE of DNA. I really don't know why you are having such difficulty understanding that very simple concept.
Of course, if you like, you can go back to any of my posts and quote where I ever said anything about contamination by 'cultivation' or DNA 'growing in dirt'. But we all know where that's going to end up, don't we? |
22nd October 2019, 02:55 PM | #3455 |
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The Dec 18th, 2007 videos are worth watching (anyone interested can find them and the crimescene photos here).
I think these two snippets from the video are quite telling, when it comes to the question of "contamination"... and no, it's not the gloves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2u84z-xJg https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=YWWH42mzurM |
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22nd October 2019, 03:53 PM | #3457 |
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Speaking of the only things being real are limited to those things testified to at trial, where cross examination was available....
Napoleoni testified to the Massei court that everyone who had entered the murderroom had worn forensic countermeasures...... ...... except ...... The members of the medical team who'd gone in to examine the victim, in their civvies, no countermeasures. But remember - there was no obvious route of contamination........... |
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22nd October 2019, 04:43 PM | #3458 |
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Remember, the only things which are real are things presented at trial. The following is what the first provisionally convicting judge, Judge Massei, wrote about what he'd heard - he heard this, yet still did not consider there to be a route of contamination into the murder room:
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22nd October 2019, 04:52 PM | #3459 |
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DNA, being a fungus, often sporulates under the right conditions, such as Samhain murder rituals perpetrated by a slut, burglar, and Italian mobster. One can often see when this happens as DNA will become visible as a black speck, much like soot, dirt, or the scale of a dragon. In fact, Amanda Knox likely used the biological spores of this DNA to brew her fatal concoction in her witch's cauldron. It's all in the court documents if you'd like to see for yourself. |
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One of those things that has always baffled me was the failure of the Scientific Police to DNA swab the hallway side of Meredith's door, including the door knob and the door jam. The door had been closed and locked by the killer so it would have been a logical place to hope to find the killer's DNA or prints. Instead, the idiots don't test it because "the crime scene was on the other side". What do you say to that? Equally baffling, Raffaele says he tried to break the door down and the police know that.. that side of the door isn't tested for DNA.. and the prosecution then makes an issue of Raffaele's DNA not being found anywhere else in the cottage and therefore there is no source for contamination. I really don't know what to say to that either!
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23rd October 2019, 01:02 AM | #3462 |
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So ignorant. There were DNA fragments that are found in dust (aka background contamination) and are not legally recognised as authentic. For DNA to be recognised in a court of law it needs to be a very strong 10-alleles at the minimum. Raff's DNA on the bra clasp where someone had forced it out of shape is a full house of 17 alleles.
This is as clear a piece of hard evidence as is a fingerprint on a gun. |
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23rd October 2019, 01:10 AM | #3463 |
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So ignorant. Even Peter Gill states that secondary transfer is unlikely to happen after 24 hours. Why? because the organic material that contains the DNA (greasy sweat, blood, saliva) has an unfortunate tendency to completely dry up within an hour or less.
You are ignorantly claiming that a casual imprint of Sollecito's hand on the door some six weeks ago (and the delay was deliberately engineered by the defence) has been transferred by tertiary transfer . Your lack of education in fundamental biology is beyond amusing. Fancy believing a new latex glove from a new box will cultivate Raff's 100% solid DNA and transfer it self to a metal bra clasp. Stefanoni never even touched the door. The onus is on you to demonstrate that DNA jumps around like a flea on dog's backside. |
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23rd October 2019, 01:19 AM | #3465 |
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Novelli showed elegantly and by use of statistical probability (as per correct ENFSI scientific standards) the likelihood the DNA was anybody other's than Raff's. That mathematical probability was >3bn/1 against.
Not even the defence bothered arguing it was not Raff's DNA. Enter the defence's extremely silly theory Raff's DNA bounced around like a pogo stick to land on the very bend in the clasp where it was twisted by the perp and somehow wriggling its way underneath the sheet underneath the body, underneath the duvet, underneath the scattered debris of a burglary attempt the defence claims happened before the murder. Even a five-year old can figure out the logic is a load a bunkum. |
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23rd October 2019, 01:29 AM | #3468 |
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I expect the forensic team reasoned it had to make a decision where best to deploy its expertise. Outside in the hallway where Knox and Sollecito had deliberately let all and sundry trample about before the door was broken down would not have yielded any useful information for the purposes of hard evidence. Now the murder room itself had had just Batistelli, the police officer who was confronted with the scene and the medical/forensic/detective staff.
Raff was not in the room to place his DNA on the bra clasp when the body was discovered, as Knox and he knew it would be. |
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The pro-Knox nutters like to use as an example of DNA transfer talcum powder. They will sprinkle it on their hands and then go around touching each other and everything 'to show how Raff's DNA spread'.
Only an ignorant moron would be convinced by such a claim for DNA is not contained in talcum powder nor in any powdery substance. It is possible you might pick up some DNA in dandruff, dandruff being associated with greasy hair and hair follicles do contain DNA. Exercise no.1 Find a bottle of tomato ketchup. This represents blood, say, or any bodily fluid. Sprinkle a few drops on your work top. Leave it untouched and uncleaned. Six weeks later put on a latex glove and touch the now dried stain of ketchup. Any luck in transferring it to the glove? Here endeth today's elementary lesson. |
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23rd October 2019, 04:42 AM | #3472 |
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You've just increased by 50% the number of forensic-DNA experts who agree with the original prosecutors. One also said that that work had not followed international standards, and the other expert admitted not having had access to negative controls.
But now there's you, the winner of the 2019 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. Besides, everyone knows DNA is a protein nanobot, used by Mafia-led conspirators, financed by Masonic collectors of fast cars. But since these DNA nanobots are based on Windows10, then the Conti-Vecchiotti report cannot be trusted, and Dr. Peter Gill must be a scientific gun for hire. Yes, that's it. Post 9 posts in 52 minutes filled with forensickey sounding stuff, and the conspiracy is exposed! Case closed! |
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23rd October 2019, 05:44 AM | #3473 |
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So here is an actual review of the literature on DNA transfer by actual professional scientists:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...72497318303958 They refer to how DNA transfer is like ketchup, so rather than testing actual DNA transfer they just throw ketchup on everything and roll around in it like a bunch of idiots. Just kidding, they don't actually do that. Sorry Vixen. Thought you may have had a point there for a second. |
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One thing to note, is that in this paper, they don't use ketchup to test the dynamics of DNA transfer. They use DNA. Flippin' amazing. Some interesting passages in this paper, published in Forensic Science International: Genetics, the top forensic genetics journal in the world:
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Crazy how the investigators at the crime scene didn't follow ANY established protocols to minimize contamination, and yet they somehow found a contaminated bra clasp. WEIRD HOW THAT WORKS EH VIXEN. |
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Now, given that we know Vixen and her chums are not, in fact, bat**** insane, and we have overwhelming scientific proof that indirect DNA transfer can and does happen, particularly under the conditions present when the bra clasp was collected, I am glad we can put this issue to rest, and Vixen won't return in x number of months saying the same exact thing about how DNA transfer to the bra clasp was impossible. Yep, sure is good to move past that, given how much overwhelming published scientific evidence there is on the matter. Yessiree.
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The thing about guilters is there's no point in discussing the bra clasp if they think the kitchen knife is a good piece of evidence, and there's no point in discussing the kitchen knife if they think the luminol is good, and no point in the luminol if they think Quintavalle is a reliable witness, and no point in discussing Quintavalle if they think Raff dialed 112 minutes after the postal police greeted him at the cottage, and no point in discussing the 112 calls if they think a lady sized Asics bloody shoeprint was left on Meredith's pillow.
You start with the dumbest and most blatantly false evidence and work your way up the hierarchy in a good faith argument. Vixen remains at the starting line, believing something so insane not even a single court accepted it. I actually worked out the least common denominator of stupid evidence that all guilters believe and it's Quintavalle. A couple of guilters couldn't quite bring themselves to disregard a mountain of irrefutable proof from CCTV video and phone logs proving Raff dialed 112 before the postal police arrived. Only one guilter that I know of is delusional enough to claim Rudy's bloody print is a lady's Asics. That of course being Vixen. That also might explain why she's the only guilter still posting here. |
23rd October 2019, 06:51 AM | #3478 |
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Here's an excerpt from the reference abstract:
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23rd October 2019, 07:29 AM | #3479 |
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bagels, Numbers:
Have you guys considered the possibility that DNA transfer may be like peanut butter or even Hershey syrup? Perhaps we're doing this science thing all wrong. |
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Why would you quote actual scientists when we already have Vixen to explain it to us? Why defer to expertise when Harry Rag has been carpet bombing comments sections for a decade with tales of "abundant quantities" of Raffaele's DNA being found?
We already know AK and/or RS did this. Why? Because there's another guy also named "Sollecito" who is a genuine, bona fide gangster. We already know the real Sollecito had called 112 after the arrival of the postal police because.... well, just because. You're purposely and with malice aforethought skewing the ability to railroad two kids by posting actual expert opinion. |
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