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Old 9th April 2010, 07:04 AM   #1
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Bill Munns Calculates Probability of Patterson/Gimlin film Being faked at 0.00005

You can now add self proclaimed "probability statistician" to his arsenal of alleged professional endeavors that already included engineer, forensic expert and anthropologist. In his expert opinion, he calculates that any chance of the PGF being a hoax as being low as 1 in 20000.

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In fact, it looks like Bills gone totally ape with Bigfoot particularly at a well known squatch haunt . He has monopolized the entire forum with his expertise. 27 out 32 threads were started by BILL link. There is talk of Bill speculating on what Patty ate for breakfast that fateful day in 1967 just by the way it walks. And to think, I wasted 4 years of my life earning an engineering degree.

Just some of the ground breaking lecture threads Bill has initiated. I suggest we start off with "Patterson Gimlin Film Beginner's guide-A link to a Guide which can help people new to this discussion." for us newbies.

1/ Creature Suit Analysis Part 10 - Flab
Bill Munns study of soft tissue appearances in the PG Film

2/ Creature Suit Analysis Part 6 - Comparative Anatomy
A study of a human figure intended to relicate the PG film figure

3/ Patterson Gimlin Film Beginner's guide
A link to a Guide which can help people new to this discussion.

4/ Creature Suit Analysis Part 9 - A Study of Probability
Bill Munns notes on the probability the PG Film is hoaxed


5/ Creature Suits Analysis Part 2 - Under the Fur
Bill Munns notes on muscle suits and other anatomical parts

6/ Can rebuilding Patty prove anything? * 12
Bill Munns notes on what could be proved.

7/ Film Final Analysis by Bill Munns

8/ Creature Suit Analysis Part 11 - The next Step * 12
Bill Munns notes on a PG Film image research study

9/ Creature Suit Analysis Part 12 - Hip seams
Bill Munns notes on seams of a two piece fur suit

10/ Creature Suit Analysis Part Five Building Patty
Bill Munns notes on building a Patty Replica

11/ Creature Suit Analysis Part 8 Neck Hackles
Bill Munns study of neck shadows on the PG Film figure

12/ Creature Suit Analysis Part 7 - Neck seams
Bill Munns' study of fur suit neck seams and folds

13/ Creature Suit Analysis Part Four Extra Hands
a look at helping hands, literally anf figuratively

14/ Creature Suit Analysis Part Three The Mime inside
Bill Munns notes on the difficulties of wearing a suit

15/ Creature Suit Analysis Part 1 Fur

16/ PGF Hoax Analysis - Part Six - Makeup Artist Opinions
A series of individual topic discussions

17/ PGF Hoax Analysis - Part Two - Film Processing
A series of individual topic discussions

18/ PGF Hoax Analysis - Part Five - Roger's Hollywood Connections
A series of individual topic discussions

19/ PGF Hoax Analysis - Part One - Editing and Splicing
A series of individual topic discussions

20/ PGF Hoax Analysis - Part Four - Film Provenance and Copies
A series of individual topic discussions

21/ PGF Hoax Analysis - Part Three - Bob Heironimous
A series of individual topic discussions

22/ Amazing revelation about the PGF
we all figured it wrong

23/ PGF Hoax, One Coherent Story how it was done

24/ Patterson Documentary Footage Analysis
Summing up the overall analysis of this footage

25/ UEC (Unidentified edge coding)
Something curious in Patterson's film

26/ Unidentified Man in film
Anybody have thoughts on the identity of this man

27/ Film Grain Question
Trying to figure out why one image is so grainy

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Old 9th April 2010, 07:07 AM   #2
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real film, real creature, real monkey suit, real human
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Old 9th April 2010, 07:40 AM   #3
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William Parcher calculates the probability of Bill Munns being a weirdo crackpot who is completely wrong about the identity of the PGF subject and Bigfoot in general at 99% (margin of error 1%).
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Old 9th April 2010, 08:35 AM   #4
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How did he calculate it?
Sales records of gorilla suits?
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Old 9th April 2010, 09:55 AM   #5
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Come on people, the simple fact remains that if there was enough to breed there would be enough to notice. Otherwise we would be getting weird imbred bigfeet as time went on.

Man, where are the people who believe in dragons? At least dragons are neat. Bigfoot just seems straight up boring.

I mean really, what do you want to see, some dragon majestically flying through the air, maybe breathing a little fire? Or some ape that's claim to fame is walking around like it is bored all the time?
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Old 9th April 2010, 10:32 AM   #6
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Old 9th April 2010, 07:40 PM   #7
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It's amazing to me the (seeming) huge volume of 'work' he's done analyzing the PGF. I won't pretend to have done even 1/10th of that amount of work vetting anything Bigfoot, ever. But wouldn't it have been better for him to spend such time (instead) attempting a real & proper re-creation of the PGF subject? I mean, that's supposedly his true area of expertise, right? Appears he's been doing so much 'science' lately he thinks he's been transformed from an under-appreciated costume maker to being the grand-poobah of a new Bigfoot ThinkTank™. At least that's what it seems he's trying to make everyone believe.

I'm still not sure how much we're supposed to appreciate the notion that if a Hollywood™ costumer thinks the PGF is not just a clever suit, then it's not just a clever suit. Ya don't say?

So anyway, would Bill care to properly explain why the hallowed PGF doesn't have any number of 'contemporaries' (so-to-speak) by now? In 43 years, wouldn't there be at least one more similar (or even better) film by now if the creature actually existed? Yet, not even one has showed up. Doesn't the fact it's never been duplicated ANYWHERE BY ANYONE FILMING ANYTHING THAT RESEMBLES A LIVE CREATURE OR A COSTUME give some in-your-face credence to the possibility that Roger Patterson really was as smart and clever as you refuse to believe he was?

I guess I'm in awe of the fact he's publicly proclaimed the real and true existence of a newly 'discovered' species of hairy-wild-ape-man SIMPLY by re-manipulating Microsoft Paint™ (in ways its mother never intended). To me that's amazing! I hear next up is the Munn's Anti-gravity Machine® (MAM™) that uses a high pitched dog whistle and two safety pins as part of its 'engine'. Truly amazing stuff.
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Old 9th April 2010, 08:21 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by HarryHenderson
But wouldn't it have been better for him to spend such time (instead) attempting a real & proper re-creation of the PGF subject?
Now why would he want to do the very thing that many proponents claim would make them stop believing in the PGF/further strengthen skeptical arguments? Not to say that proponents wouldn't offer excuses like "Just because you can recreate it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist" or some variation of the argument made here in the event of one.

Since we're dusting off old Bill stuff, check out his "Beginner's Guide to the Patterson-Gimlin Film."
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Old 29th April 2010, 10:39 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by AtomicMysteryMonster View Post
Now why would he want to do the very thing that many proponents claim would make them stop believing in the PGF/further strengthen skeptical arguments? Not to say that proponents wouldn't offer excuses like "Just because you can recreate it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist" or some variation of the argument made here in the event of one.

Since we're dusting off old Bill stuff, check out his "Beginner's Guide to the Patterson-Gimlin Film."
Even the 'footers have realized that this guy has a world-class ego. Perhaps world-record. Of course, he can be an expert on probability. Why not?

He starts dozens of threads, and whines with delusions of persecution when anyone questions his ideas. If you hold your nose, though, and ignore his "deductions," he does provide enough useful data that his overall effect is to help debunk the PGF and Bigfoot. Of course, he doesn't realize that.
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Old 30th April 2010, 01:18 PM   #10
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AMM wrote:
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Now why would he want to do the very thing that many proponents claim would make them stop believing in the PGF/further strengthen skeptical arguments?


The joke is on the "skeptics", Atomic....every 'Patty re-creation' attempt just furthers/strengthens the case of the Footers......that Patty cannot be replicated...



Enter Mr. Morris...(Stunning....a virtual TWIN to Patty)...






Enter Mr. Blevins...(WOW ...He 'nailed it' with the feet)...






Enter Mr. D-"It's easy-I did-it-on-my-lunch-break"-Foot.....(Note: The Upper Cranium has 'Room For Rent'....if anyone's interested)...






Of course.....while Dfoot crafted a 'sculpture' of Patty's form.....he failed...( )....to replicate her extreme upper-torso width.....and the widening of the body, at the hips...






Details....details...pesky little details...


I calculate the probability at approximately 100%....that Dfoot's "recreation" of Patty......"D-sucks".

Anyone else wanna give it a try??......and fail...miserably, laughably...
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Interesting that the number of new bigfoot/alien videos is inversely proportional to the number of video cameras in circulation
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Old 30th April 2010, 10:53 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by SweatyYeti View Post

The joke is on the "skeptics", Atomic....every 'Patty re-creation' attempt just furthers/strengthens the case of the Footers......that Patty cannot be replicated...

Ahh, yes, clearly the lack of a bigfoot anywhere in the history of man strengthens the case of the footers. Heck, bigfoot is all but proven at this point in sweaty's bizzarro world, lol.

Hey sweaty.....where's bigfoot? Who is the joke on again? That would be you. How does it feel knowing Bob Gimlin and the other members of the good old boy bigfoot network laugh their heads off behind closed doors at footers like yourself after the lights go down, and the crowds have gone home?
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The guy was a fraud and a jag, but it was fun to watch him yank Bill's chain.
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Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush View Post
"Longtabber, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Longatabber PE, white courtesy phone. Thank you."

The guy was a fraud and a jag, but it was fun to watch him yank Bill's chain.
maybe that's why he knew how to yank Bill's chain so effectively.
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Man, where are the people who believe in dragons? At least dragons are neat. Bigfoot just seems straight up boring.
At least one of them is in prison for tax evasion.

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How did he calculate it?
Sales records of gorilla suits?
That would have been a better basis and surely more precise.
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Ahh, yes, clearly the lack of a bigfoot anywhere in the history of man strengthens the case of the footers. Heck, bigfoot is all but proven at this point in sweaty's bizzarro world, lol.
Hey sweaty.....where's bigfoot? Who is the joke on again? That would be you...
You know you'll be proven wrong 'soon enough'. He said so in the other thread. <waiting>

As for a little more comment on Munns' analysis, I hadn't in-fact read his 'probability article' totally (I'm too easily bored with his false humility) before my post above. Having done so now, I can say without hesitation that he's completely ******* NUTS.

To wit...
Originally Posted by Bill Munns
...Assigning any numeric weight or ratio (the odds, in gambling) for a usual or probable outcome is obviously conjectural at best. Anyone can assign any odds they choose...
Really? Are you ******* kidding me Bill Munns? You're not just nuts, you're stupid too. Seriously, you have no clue what 'odds' actually are?

His entire (stupid and doomed to fail) premise is based on his arbitrarily absconding a so-called 'legal principle' called Presumption of Regularity. Yes, because that's how all 'probablities' are determined, how 'regular' one thinks things should 'show up' in any one situation. As he states above, odds are just random and capricious numbers pulled out of other people's asses when needed. His entire premise is so laughable; stated simply, in his (oh-so-humble) opinion, Hollywood™ creature suits aren't and weren't regularly made or used the way it appears the PGF's was, so that means it's a REAL Bigfoot. Say what?

Ya know, my own 'love of science' isn't even close to what it is with some people here, but geezus h...pulling LITERALLY random numbers out of the air, stating they're "just for illustrative purposes", then proclaiming those numbers don't lie, they prove the possibility the PGF being hoax at 'near zero'. NEAR ZERO! Amazing!
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So, this 'skepticism'...it's a way of talking about bigfoot, UFOs and Jeebus while maintaining an air of superiority?
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Originally Posted by jiggeryqua View Post
So, this 'skepticism'...it's a way of talking about bigfoot, UFOs and Jeebus while maintaining an air of superiority?
I as a skeptic maintain an air of ''show me the evidence'' I would like to see Mr. Munn´s worksheets.
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So, this 'skepticism'...it's a way of talking about bigfoot, UFOs and Jeebus while maintaining an air of superiority rationality?
Voilà! Fixe il.
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So, this 'skepticism'...it's a way of talking about bigfoot, UFOs and Jeebus while maintaining an air of superiority?
I'd suggest that 'skepticism' is at least partly about getting the other side to capitulate to one's own obviously 'superior' thinking. Ironic you'd pick this very specific and narrow thread/subject/aspect to judge those merits. Oh wait, you meant...

I would suggest next time you know a little more of what you're talking about before posting, you know, inane comments like that. As a POI, there's actually only one real person (Longtabber wasn't real) in the entire Bill Munns Affair™ who's genuinely possessed an 'air of superiority' and he is Bill Munns. His everyday-workin-man fake humility writing 'style' is so phony it makes me wanna go pound sand instead. He thinks his **** don't stink 10x more than I think mine doesn't. And mine doesn't.
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Certainly far more superior to a Bigfoot. Where is Bigfoot to contend this anyways?
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Rationality, absence of faith, demand for evidence - and an air of superiority. They're not mutualy exclusive, after all.

The substance of that 'inane' comment was essentially that a collection of intelligent, articulate, rational people are sitting around on the interwebs discussing bigfoot. Bigfoot doesn't exist - you know that, I know that, I expect most of the people making money off the back of it know that too. Yet here's another thread on it. God probably doesn't exist, space aliens may well exist (though not in the way abductees and corncirclers like to believe) - I probably wouldn't have made the same 'inane' comment in a thread on either. But bigfoot??

The people who believe, meanwhile, won't be here...or if they were, we already know they're not rational, they don't demand evidence and they depend on faith. So the thread can't be for them - nor will it have any impact on the con artists who feed on their gullibility. So what is the purpose of bigfoot threads here? Maybe there's a clue in another one: Speculation
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I can't remember the picture I had posted in this post?
Anyways.

Maybe Bigfoot should be part of outer-space? Then we can say odds are they might exist.
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How did he calculate it?
Sales records of gorilla suits?
His whole argument seems to be "I wouldn't have done it that way".
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It would seem to me that anyone who makes any sort of informed decision on the nature of the film is talking out of their asses. I remember some fbi video analyst (sorry, I can't provide a link so you'll just have to take my word for it) said that the video is in fact of such poor quality that one cannot come to any kind of real conclusion on whether or not it is a man in a monkey suit or an actual unknown primate in the pacific north-west. It would seem to me that fbi video analysts have some pretty good tools in their arsenal.

I personally think that there is enough compelling soft evidence to not dismiss bigfoots existence completely out of hand, but even I can see some very basic problems that would make it very very unlikely for bigfoot to exist, breeding population being the most obvious.
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His whole argument seems to be "I wouldn't have done it that way".
Well, I do see that there is a problem in using a gorilla suit for such a tape.
At least during hunting season.
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So what is the purpose of bigfoot threads here?
Inteligence - In the military sense of it.
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Contrary to what one might expect, the certainty of the believers increases with each passing day in which no physical remains are found. By this time tomorrow, for example, assuming that no Bigfoot bodies, living creatures, poop, urine, skin, hides, hair, DNA, bones, fossils, roadkill, naturally dead, alive, ill, crippled, or other categories of actual animal are found, the average believer will be 0.23% more certain (Okay, I used the Bill Munns method to come up with that number) than they are today.

Bigfoot science also adds to the certainty level, having recently discovered that if a tree falls in the woods, and there is no one there to hear it, then it was certainly pushed over by Bigfoot. On the other hand, if there is someone there to hear it, then it was (again) certainly pushed over by Bigfoot.
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His whole argument seems to be "I wouldn't have done it that way".
Which of course IS the only criteria we mere mortals should be using - how Bill Munns would have actually done it PROPERLY in 1967 instead of how that hack Roger Patterson ****** it all up. To me, Bill Munns globbing on to a famous-but-long-since-dead-man sure doesn't seem a righteous avenue for fame and fortune, but okay.

BTW does this post pass (or fail) the 'air of superiority' test?

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Inteligence - In the military sense of it.
Education is a constant battle against ignorance.
Knowing thy enemy is always a good measure.
Not sure I thought much about the Bigfoot Pros™ being the actual enemy, but then I smelled the dope and realized they are the enemy huh?! Those bastards! Fine, instead of just 'not feeling bad' for past bashings of Bigfoot Doofuses™, now I really don't feel bad for bashing them. I mean, I'm in it for the bashing mostly anyway. Breed Bigfoot discontent wherever possible I say. With us skeptics it's either a body miraculously shows up or we make fun of everyone in Bigfootville with **** for brains. Let's rumble.

Originally Posted by parnassus View Post
Contrary to what one might expect, the certainty of the believers increases with each passing day in which no physical remains are found. By this time tomorrow, for example, assuming that no Bigfoot bodies, living creatures, poop, urine, skin, hides, hair, DNA, bones, fossils, roadkill, naturally dead, alive, ill, crippled, or other categories of actual animal are found, the average believer will be 0.23% more certain (Okay, I used the Bill Munns method to come up with that number) than they are today...
Sadly, you had to use the Bill Munns Method™, it's the law.

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...Bigfoot science also adds to the certainty level, having recently discovered that if a tree falls in the woods, and there is no one there to hear it, then it was certainly pushed over by Bigfoot. On the other hand, if there is someone there to hear it, then it was (again) certainly pushed over by Bigfoot.
You say this in jest, yet everyone here (I mean most everyone here) knows you're being as Bigfoot Serious™ as you're being Bigfoot Humorous™.

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Old 25th May 2010, 04:17 AM   #31
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Originally Posted by parnassus View Post
Contrary to what one might expect, the certainty of the believers increases with each passing day in which no physical remains are found. By this time tomorrow, for example, assuming that no Bigfoot bodies, living creatures, poop, urine, skin, hides, hair, DNA, bones, fossils, roadkill, naturally dead, alive, ill, crippled, or other categories of actual animal are found, the average believer will be 0.23% more certain (Okay, I used the Bill Munns method to come up with that number) than they are today.

Bigfoot science also adds to the certainty level, having recently discovered that if a tree falls in the woods, and there is no one there to hear it, then it was certainly pushed over by Bigfoot. On the other hand, if there is someone there to hear it, then it was (again) certainly pushed over by Bigfoot.
Don't forget, the scenario where a tree falls over, and only a skeptic is there to hear it, then it was (once again) certainly pushed over by a Bigfoot, who knew the skeptic was there, but could sense that he was a skeptic, so pushed the tree over in Stealth-Mode.
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Originally Posted by parnassus View Post
Contrary to what one might expect, the certainty of the believers increases with each passing day in which no physical remains are found. By this time tomorrow, for example, assuming that no Bigfoot bodies, living creatures, poop, urine, skin, hides, hair, DNA, bones, fossils, roadkill, naturally dead, alive, ill, crippled, or other categories of actual animal are found, the average believer will be 0.23% more certain (Okay, I used the Bill Munns method to come up with that number) than they are today.
Unfortunately Bfers do believe that "Bigfoot bodies, living creatures, poop, urine, skin, hides, hair, DNA, bones, fossils, roadkill, naturally dead, alive, ill, crippled, [and other categories of actual animal have been found]"

There were over 400 attendees at the Salt Fork shindig last year and unfortunately they got to hear about all the found physical remains and evidence. The Stick Structure Scheme just keeps suckin' em' in.

I keep waiting for the "Ain't No Bigfoot Conference" conference

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Old 25th May 2010, 06:36 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by jiggeryqua View Post
So, this 'skepticism'...it's a way of talking about bigfoot, UFOs and Jeebus while maintaining an air of superiority?
Sure.

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Old 25th May 2010, 01:09 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by Goatamon View Post
It would seem to me that anyone who makes any sort of informed decision on the nature of the film is talking out of their asses.
Any person who says that the film shows a costumed person is not talking out of their ass. The real world itself informs a person that Bigfoot does not exist. If Bigfoot really did exist we would have a specimen by now - in all probability we would have many specimens.


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I personally think that there is enough compelling soft evidence to not dismiss bigfoots existence completely out of hand...
Persons who deny the existence of Bigfoot do not simply do it "out of hand". They've seen and acknowledged the complete lack of a specimen and are making the informed choice of nonexistence. In spite of being unable to prove that Bigfoot does not exist, the intelligent choice is one of denial or skepticism - not belief. Given the situation presented by the real world, choosing to believe in Bigfoot is not an intelligent choice. It may be mostly fueled by emotion or ignorance.
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And by "calculates" he means "pulls out of his butt" or "invents out of whole cloth"?
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Originally Posted by JcR View Post
I can't remember the picture I had posted in this post?
Anyways.
I remember now.



They can still DNA this!
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Old 11th June 2010, 02:41 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by HarryHenderson View Post
Sadly, you had to use the Bill Munns Method™, it's the law.
Bill Munns has become quite the manure salesman at BFF's. They just love him over there and all his biased and extremely subjective opinions. Despite having no qualifications whatsoever with everything he's doing, the folks just can't get enough.
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Quote marlboruogh opening post.

And to think, I wasted 4 years of my life earning an engineering degree.

What does whining about feeling he has wasted 4 years on an engineering degree have to do with a man in a monkey suit.
Infact what does an engineering degree have to do with a man in a monkey suit.
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Originally Posted by jiggeryqua View Post
Rationality, absence of faith, demand for evidence - and an air of superiority. They're not mutualy exclusive, after all.

The substance of that 'inane' comment was essentially that a collection of intelligent, articulate, rational people are sitting around on the interwebs discussing bigfoot. Bigfoot doesn't exist - you know that, I know that, I expect most of the people making money off the back of it know that too. Yet here's another thread on it. God probably doesn't exist, space aliens may well exist (though not in the way abductees and corncirclers like to believe) - I probably wouldn't have made the same 'inane' comment in a thread on either. But bigfoot??

The people who believe, meanwhile, won't be here...or if they were, we already know they're not rational, they don't demand evidence and they depend on faith. So the thread can't be for them - nor will it have any impact on the con artists who feed on their gullibility. So what is the purpose of bigfoot threads here? Maybe there's a clue in another one: Speculation
Your right the thread is nothing more than a vessel for personal scorn towards this bill chap.
easily recognisable and a perfect example of all that now stinks about this fora, since it has become predominently kids posting, hence my scorn.
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Originally Posted by SweatyYeti View Post
AMM wrote:




The joke is on the "skeptics", Atomic....every 'Patty re-creation' attempt just furthers/strengthens the case of the Footers......that Patty cannot be replicated...
Details....details...pesky little details...


I calculate the probability at approximately 100%....that Dfoot's "recreation" of Patty......"D-sucks".

Anyone else wanna give it a try??......and fail...miserably, laughably...
You don't really believe Bigfoot is real do you?
No seriously you don't surely.

In this day and age?

What really?

And yet you can use a computer and form sentences?

I don't get it.
Seriously.
I don't understand how a belief in Bigfoot is even possible - it doesn't even have the desirability factor that most paranormal beliefs have an element of.

I just don't get
How anyone could believe in Bigfoot
Why they would want to
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