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Old 25th January 2021, 07:08 AM   #2681
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Tacoma cop drives police SUV into crowd of people attending an illegal street race, hitting several and running over one. After running over a person, the cop fled the scene.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tacoma-...-crowd-injury/
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Old 25th January 2021, 12:14 PM   #2682
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Yeah, he claimed he was "afraid for his life". In an SUV, with radio communications, and armed, against people banging on the hood of his vehicle.

CBS chose the least disturbing footage of the event, there are others out there where you can clearly see a person under the tires. CBS's footage also doesn't show him revving his engine hard before he drove through the crowd.

If anyone really wants to see that footage and can't search for it themselves, I will link it, but I'm not inclined to ruin anyone's day unless requested.
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Old 25th January 2021, 01:52 PM   #2683
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Volunteers and school staff clean up ICE munitions from the grounds of the Cottonwood School, a K-8 charter school in Portland. The school's close proximity to the ICE facility means that their grounds are often littered with the remnants of chemical crowd control weapons used by ICE, including pepperballs and various spent gas cannisters. The detritus left behind is unsafe for children or animals to find.

The intercept has previously reported that ICE has, in addition to pepper and CS gas, has used HC smoke bombs, which are widely suspected of being carcinogenic.

https://twitter.com/LauraJedeed/stat...07281230540801

Contaminating a school playground with chemical weapons, the American way!
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Old 25th January 2021, 03:31 PM   #2684
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Yeah, he claimed he was "afraid for his life". In an SUV, with radio communications, and armed, against people banging on the hood of his vehicle.

CBS chose the least disturbing footage of the event, there are others out there where you can clearly see a person under the tires. CBS's footage also doesn't show him revving his engine hard before he drove through the crowd.

If anyone really wants to see that footage and can't search for it themselves, I will link it, but I'm not inclined to ruin anyone's day unless requested.
They attacked police and than are surprised at the repercussions of their actions. Reminds me of the crying tear gas lady at the capital.

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

They are lucky that they did not cause more people to get killed. However, as usual of course, almost none of the focus will be on the people that created this mess by attacking police.

There is a huge portion of people who are injured or killed every year because of the dumb notion that they can violently attack police officers and face no repercussions. It is a deadly misperception, and one that is perpetuated by people who allow them to continue that delusional thinking.

What is needed is for there to be a lot more repercussions on people who attack police. To start, many of those attacks meet every definition of a hate crime. If steps were taken as a number of States have already done to state attacks on police as hate crimes, there would be a lot less violence, and a lot fewer injured/dead people.


As long as there is still a major notion that it is OK to attack police and not expect any type of response, there will be a lot of unnecessary deaths in this Country.
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Old 25th January 2021, 03:32 PM   #2685
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Volunteers and school staff clean up ICE munitions from the grounds of the Cottonwood School, a K-8 charter school in Portland. The school's close proximity to the ICE facility means that their grounds are often littered with the remnants of chemical crowd control weapons used by ICE, including pepperballs and various spent gas cannisters. The detritus left behind is unsafe for children or animals to find.

The intercept has previously reported that ICE has, in addition to pepper and CS gas, has used HC smoke bombs, which are widely suspected of being carcinogenic.

https://twitter.com/LauraJedeed/stat...07281230540801

Contaminating a school playground with chemical weapons, the American way!
Lots of weapons and Molotov cocktails were found on some of the many violent anarchists causing destruction that night.

Clearing peaceful protesting was not their goal.
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Old 25th January 2021, 10:53 PM   #2686
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Originally Posted by HoverBoarder View Post
They attacked police and than are surprised at the repercussions of their actions. Reminds me of the crying tear gas lady at the capital.

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

They are lucky that they did not cause more people to get killed. However, as usual of course, almost none of the focus will be on the people that created this mess by attacking police.

There is a huge portion of people who are injured or killed every year because of the dumb notion that they can violently attack police officers and face no repercussions. It is a deadly misperception, and one that is perpetuated by people who allow them to continue that delusional thinking.

What is needed is for there to be a lot more repercussions on people who attack police. To start, many of those attacks meet every definition of a hate crime. If steps were taken as a number of States have already done to state attacks on police as hate crimes, there would be a lot less violence, and a lot fewer injured/dead people.


As long as there is still a major notion that it is OK to attack police and not expect any type of response, there will be a lot of unnecessary deaths in this Country.
Do the words "proportional response" mean anything to you?
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Old 25th January 2021, 11:28 PM   #2687
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Originally Posted by HoverBoarder View Post
They attacked police and than are surprised at the repercussions of their actions. Reminds me of the crying tear gas lady at the capital.

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

They are lucky that they did not cause more people to get killed. However, as usual of course, almost none of the focus will be on the people that created this mess by attacking police.

There is a huge portion of people who are injured or killed every year because of the dumb notion that they can violently attack police officers and face no repercussions. It is a deadly misperception, and one that is perpetuated by people who allow them to continue that delusional thinking.

What is needed is for there to be a lot more repercussions on people who attack police. To start, many of those attacks meet every definition of a hate crime. If steps were taken as a number of States have already done to state attacks on police as hate crimes, there would be a lot less violence, and a lot fewer injured/dead people.


As long as there is still a major notion that it is OK to attack police and not expect any type of response, there will be a lot of unnecessary deaths in this Country.
To translate:

"When a cop drives up to a crowd, it's natural that he's terrified by the crowd he drove directly up to and is now in front of him. Thus, it's justified to crash into the crowd and drive directly *over* people, rather than continuing to back out."

Um...no. Apologies if you didn't see the video, but, again, that cop could have continued to back out, rather than gunning his car forward into the crowd.

At least the inevitable protests have reportedly resulted in no injuries, and only a few broken windows.
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Old 26th January 2021, 05:03 AM   #2688
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It's important that police shut down illegal street races, because someone might get hurt by dangerous driving. That's why cops should mow down pedestrians with their car.
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Old 26th January 2021, 07:40 AM   #2689
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
It's important that police shut down illegal street races, because someone might get hurt by dangerous driving. That's why cops should mow down pedestrians with their car.
Not to defend any police actions here but peripherally - reckless driving rose during lockdown, including excessive speeding, no seat belt use and drug or alcohol involvement. Fatalities per vehicle mile rose in the second quarter of 2020, despite a 2 percent drop in fatalities and past trends on vehicle miles. So, more street drag racing going on apparently.

The CBS video is not playing for me, browser issue maybe.
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Old 26th January 2021, 07:49 AM   #2690
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I think the original video that was being used has been taken down. Here's another angle, spoiler tagged.



The original video, repackaged through some media source:



Third video from someone at the front of the crowd. Not seeing anything here that justifies the police claim of being in fear for his life. A bunch of people with camera phones out and someone open hand slapping the front end of the truck. Nobody trying to break the windows.

Content warning: shows the victim that went under the tires.
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Old 26th January 2021, 10:27 AM   #2691
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Hey at least driving into cops is legal too.

https://gothamist.com/food/staten-is...heriffs-deputy

"The co-owner of a Staten Island pub infamous for defying city and state COVID-19 health restrictions has avoided felony charges after he allegedly drove into a sheriff's deputy who was trying to detain him outside his bar on December 6th.

Daniel Presti, 34, faced charges including felony second degree assault causing physical injury to an officer, reckless endangerment, and reckless driving for the incident. But after hearing testimony from Presti, a Staten Island grand jury decided to charge him with only two misdemeanors for allegedly selling alcohol inside the bar, Mac's Public House, without a license."
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Um...no. Apologies if you didn't see the video, but, again, that cop could have continued to back out, rather than gunning his car forward into the crowd.

Or even pushed forward slowly. There is no reasonable excuse for revving the engine then gunning it. This is attempted murder.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Hey at least driving into cops is legal too.
It probably isn't. But he is white, so...
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Old 27th January 2021, 10:25 AM   #2694
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They attacked police and than are surprised at the repercussions of their actions. Reminds me of the crying tear gas lady at the capital.

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

They are lucky that they did not cause more people to get killed. However, as usual of course, almost none of the focus will be on the people that created this mess by attacking police.

There is a huge portion of people who are injured or killed every year because of the dumb notion that they can violently attack police officers and face no repercussions. It is a deadly misperception, and one that is perpetuated by people who allow them to continue that delusional thinking.

What is needed is for there to be a lot more repercussions on people who attack police. To start, many of those attacks meet every definition of a hate crime. If steps were taken as a number of States have already done to state attacks on police as hate crimes, there would be a lot less violence, and a lot fewer injured/dead people.


As long as there is still a major notion that it is OK to attack police and not expect any type of response, there will be a lot of unnecessary deaths in this Country.
Maybe then police should be held to the same standard and face repercussions when they fail to deescalate and kill people.
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Old 31st January 2021, 03:42 PM   #2695
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WATCH: Cops Mace 9-year-old Girl after telling her to "Stop Acting Like a Child"

Rochester police in New York said they were "required" to pepper spray a 9-year-old girl Friday because she refused to place her legs inside the patrol car as they were trying to shove her inside for her own "safety."

The two videos are here:

https://youtu.be/KjLgK0FUNBY

https://youtu.be/ku41-899CHo

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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
WATCH: Cops Mace 9-year-old Girl after telling her to "Stop Acting Like a Child"

Rochester police in New York said they were "required" to pepper spray a 9-year-old girl Friday because she refused to place her legs inside the patrol car as they were trying to shove her inside for her own "safety."

The two videos are here:

https://youtu.be/KjLgK0FUNBY

https://youtu.be/ku41-899CHo

A cop's gotta do what a cop's gotta do.

...

...

If they started acting like rational human beings then everyone would lose all respect for them.
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
WATCH: Cops Mace 9-year-old Girl after telling her to "Stop Acting Like a Child"

Rochester police in New York said they were "required" to pepper spray a 9-year-old girl Friday because she refused to place her legs inside the patrol car as they were trying to shove her inside for her own "safety."

The two videos are here:

https://youtu.be/KjLgK0FUNBY

https://youtu.be/ku41-899CHo
General question to the forum, especially for those who've had to handle problem children: what would have been a better response? I know, for me, I'd be at a loss as to what to do because I've never been in this type of situation.
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But would you pepper spray a nine year old?

Why not get her mother?
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The mother was right there. I don't think "getting" her would have helped, given that the child was shouting at the mother for stabbing her father, who she actually wanted to see.
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General question to the forum, especially for those who've had to handle problem children: what would have been a better response? I know, for me, I'd be at a loss as to what to do because I've never been in this type of situation.

If you are trying to calm down a frantic nine year old, handcuffs and pepper spray should not be the go-to tools of choice.

They shouldn't be any sort of tools for dealing with young children.

A nine year old kid running down the street is not a threat to anybody, Treating her like she was a crazed felon was about the worst way to deal with the problem.
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If you are trying to calm down a frantic nine year old, handcuffs and pepper spray should not be the go-to tools of choice.



They shouldn't be any sort of tools for dealing with young children.



A nine year old kid running down the street is not a threat to anybody, Treating her like she was a crazed felon was about the worst way to deal with the problem.
Lucky she wasn't shot. Because when the only tool you have is a gun...
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General question to the forum, especially for those who've had to handle problem children: what would have been a better response? I know, for me, I'd be at a loss as to what to do because I've never been in this type of situation.
This child is in extreme distress because her mother just stabbed her father. She needs someone empathic to talk to. The last thing she needs is a bunch of police brutes that wants her to "Get in the ******* car NOW". That is not in any way helping the situation. Especially when the cops eventually lose patience and do to a *nine* *year* *old* what they would do to a violent offender to get her to comply.

This video should crush the soul of anyone capable of empathy.

I need to go hug my kids now.
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This child is in extreme distress because her mother just stabbed her father. She needs someone empathic to talk to. The last thing she needs is a bunch of police brutes that wants her to "Get in the ******* car NOW". That is not in any way helping the situation. Especially when the cops eventually lose patience and do to a *nine* *year* *old* what they would do to a violent offender to get her to comply.

This video should crush the soul of anyone capable of empathy.

I need to go hug my kids now.
"You're acting like a child!"

"I am a child!"

Heartbreaking.
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General question to the forum, especially for those who've had to handle problem children: what would have been a better response? I know, for me, I'd be at a loss as to what to do because I've never been in this type of situation.
“Better” - anything!

Sorry but I just can’t believe any solution for a distressed child* should involve pepper spraying.





*I am sure folk can come up with some totally not applicable to this situation hypothetical situation in which pepper spraying would be the “better” solution. I would say to those people - we aren’t discussing your hypothetical.
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"You're acting like a child!"

"I am a child!"

Heartbreaking.
Unfair - the police gave her clear instructions, then they showed great restraint by not shooting her when she refused to instantly age 9 years!
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General question to the forum, especially for those who've had to handle problem children: what would have been a better response? I know, for me, I'd be at a loss as to what to do because I've never been in this type of situation.
20 minutes of their time is all it would have taken.

10 minutes to reassure her about the condition of her dad, 5 minutes giving her a hug from the female officer, 4 mins 55 seconds to explain what was going to happen next and 5 secs to say, "hey, why don't you go and wait in the car for now?"
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Rochester police union chief defending the pepper spraying of a 9-year-old girl:

"Had they had to go and push further, and use more force, there's a good chance she could have been hurt worse."

Video in link.

https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/sta...96126739472399
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General question to the forum, especially for those who've had to handle problem children: what would have been a better response? I know, for me, I'd be at a loss as to what to do because I've never been in this type of situation.
i've buckled a lot of kids into car seats without pepper spraying them
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What the officers did was wrong

The Rochester Police officers that took part in the handcuffing, grabbing, threatening, and subsequent pepper spraying, of the 9-year-old girl, need Crisis Intervention Team Training (CIT).

Based on comments by Mike Mazzeo, president of the Rochester Police Locust Club, the union representing uniformed officers, Mazzeo lacks empathy, compassion, and understanding. Mazzeo sorely needs CIT Training.

Deescalate. Defuse. Slow things down. Don't make threats. Create space if you can between you and the child.

The girl–a child–was in emotional distress. The proper response from the police should have been to deescalate the situation; defuse the emotions, slow things down.

I'm not sure if handcuffs were necessary, I haven't seen all the video or have witness statements to know if the use of handcuffs was justified.

But... it shouldn't be considered 'normal' practice or procedure to physically restrain someone in a crisis by pushing and grabbing them, threatening them (female officer: "This is your last chance or pepper spray is going in your eyeballs, come on,"), and then actually making good on that threat.

Situations that need to be looked at for excessive use of force: 1) handcuff restraint (were they necessary?), and 2) use of 'pepper spray' (chemical irritant).

If someone is in emotional distress, it usually isn't appropriate to threaten them. Don't bark orders ("get up", "stop" "get in the car,", and to on to handcuff, and pepper spray them. That's an abuse of power. Those officers couldn't read the situation. They should be looked at to see if they're fit for duty. They suck.

It is highly likely that other professionals, like a trained counselor, should have interacted with the 9-year-old girl. The police on scene certainly weren't capable of proper handling of the situation.

Intimidated a bystander with jail (too!)

One of the male police officers threatened a bystander with jail; a male officer can be heard, "What are you doing? What are you doing? 'Cause you're going to go to jail now, too!"

I wonder what the child was thinking if she heard that?

Depending on what the bystander was doing, the bystander had a legal right to be there. If the bystander was recording video or taking pictures, within most situations, that is legal. I get the sense the officer is unjustly using intimidation and threat of jail. That officer should face departmental action for threatening a person with jail if they didn't do anything illegal.

Crappy cops. Crappy Rochester Police Union Chief for his reprehensible defending the treatment and pepper spraying of the 9-year-old girl. Despicable.
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Old 1st February 2021, 07:29 PM   #2710
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20 minutes of their time is all it would have taken.

10 minutes to reassure her about the condition of her dad, 5 minutes giving her a hug from the female officer, 4 mins 55 seconds to explain what was going to happen next and 5 secs to say, "hey, why don't you go and wait in the car for now?"

Ignoring all their prior screw-ups, all they probably had to do was nothing for 20 minutes. Kids generally cry themselves out and calm down. They could have blasted the heater in the car to keep her warm, even with the door partially open.
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He's black and has funny name. No white American cop would even have been charged; and multiple posters here would have been defending him.
No, Noor was charged because he was a murderer. His appeal has been dismissed.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...b1c1fbe1cb75ba

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A former US police officer who shot and killed an Australian woman in Minneapolis has lost an appeal to throw out his murder conviction.
A divided Minnesota Court of Appeals on Monday upheld the conviction of Mohamed Noor, who killed Aussie Justine Damond in July 2017 and is serving a 12.5-year prison sentence.
Good riddance scumbag.
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Originally Posted by Ernie M View Post
The Rochester Police officers that took part in the handcuffing, grabbing, threatening, and subsequent pepper spraying, of the 9-year-old girl, need Crisis Intervention Team Training (CIT).

Based on comments by Mike Mazzeo, president of the Rochester Police Locust Club, the union representing uniformed officers, Mazzeo lacks empathy, compassion, and understanding. Mazzeo sorely needs CIT Training.

Deescalate. Defuse. Slow things down. Don't make threats. Create space if you can between you and the child.

The girl–a child–was in emotional distress. The proper response from the police should have been to deescalate the situation; defuse the emotions, slow things down.

I'm not sure if handcuffs were necessary, I haven't seen all the video or have witness statements to know if the use of handcuffs was justified.

But... it shouldn't be considered 'normal' practice or procedure to physically restrain someone in a crisis by pushing and grabbing them, threatening them (female officer: "This is your last chance or pepper spray is going in your eyeballs, come on,"), and then actually making good on that threat.

Situations that need to be looked at for excessive use of force: 1) handcuff restraint (were they necessary?), and 2) use of 'pepper spray' (chemical irritant).

If someone is in emotional distress, it usually isn't appropriate to threaten them. Don't bark orders ("get up", "stop" "get in the car,", and to on to handcuff, and pepper spray them. That's an abuse of power. Those officers couldn't read the situation. They should be looked at to see if they're fit for duty. They suck.

It is highly likely that other professionals, like a trained counselor, should have interacted with the 9-year-old girl. The police on scene certainly weren't capable of proper handling of the situation.

Intimidated a bystander with jail (too!)

One of the male police officers threatened a bystander with jail; a male officer can be heard, "What are you doing? What are you doing? 'Cause you're going to go to jail now, too!"

I wonder what the child was thinking if she heard that?

Depending on what the bystander was doing, the bystander had a legal right to be there. If the bystander was recording video or taking pictures, within most situations, that is legal. I get the sense the officer is unjustly using intimidation and threat of jail. That officer should face departmental action for threatening a person with jail if they didn't do anything illegal.

Crappy cops. Crappy Rochester Police Union Chief for his reprehensible defending the treatment and pepper spraying of the 9-year-old girl. Despicable.
Pretty much a wordier explanation of that which I advised earlier. I have to say though that as much as a "trained counselor" would be preferred, at the very least it would have been a better outcome if at least one person with a shred of human decency, empathy and a lack of ego had attended.

The pack that showed up were ******* animals.

In full keyboard warrior mode, I don't know if I could have stood by and watched what went down without intervention.
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General question to the forum, especially for those who've had to handle problem children: what would have been a better response? I know, for me, I'd be at a loss as to what to do because I've never been in this type of situation.
This isn't a police matter. Social workers and/or CPS should be taking the lead on something like this, not a cop.

If we don't have enough social workers, we can hire more by reducing spending on bloated police budgets.
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This isn't a police matter. Social workers and/or CPS should be taking the lead on something like this, not a cop.
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This isn't a police matter. Social workers and/or CPS should be taking the lead on something like this, not a cop.

If we don't have enough social workers, we can hire more by reducing spending on bloated police budgets.
I can understand calling in a social worker but you still have the immediate problem child to deal with, and that should not be beyond the wit of any average person, never mind a professional whose job is to interact with the public day in day out.

As has been raised so many times in this thread the training of officers is obviously not fit for purpose.
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I can understand calling in a social worker but you still have the immediate problem child to deal with, and that should not be beyond the wit of any average person, never mind a professional whose job is to interact with the public day in day out.

As has been raised so many times in this thread the training of officers is obviously not fit for purpose.
Rochester PD already has many of the reforms that are often suggested as a solution to this kind of police abuse.

They have bodycams, they have choke hold bans, they have de-escalation training, they have a police accountability board.

And in their response to this obvious case of abuse is the same as every other scumbag department in this country. They deny wrongdoing and the police fall into lockstep to defend their own.

The solution is less cops. They have a stranglehold on city budgets and are a political axis entirely on their own. Nothing changes until these petty tyrants are whacked down to a more manageable size.
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Pretty much a wordier explanation of that which I advised earlier. I have to say though that as much as a "trained counselor" would be preferred, at the very least it would have been a better outcome if at least one person with a shred of human decency, empathy and a lack of ego had attended.

The pack that showed up were ******* animals.

In full keyboard warrior mode, I don't know if I could have stood by and watched what went down without intervention.
I struggle to be clear and concise.
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Originally Posted by Ernie M View Post
I struggle to be clear and concise.
If it came over as a criticism, I apologise. It wasn't meant to be so.
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No, Noor was charged because he was a murderer. His appeal has been dismissed.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...b1c1fbe1cb75ba



Good riddance scumbag.
True, and does not in the least invalidate what I said.
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Think he will get a fourth notch on his gun?

"Joseph Mensah, who quit his job as a police officer in Wauwatosa, Wis., after shooting and killing three people in the line of duty over a five-year period, has a new job as a sheriff's deputy. Sheriff Eric Severson of neighboring Waukesha County says multiple authorities concluded Mensah's controversial use of force was both legal and in line with his training."

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/0...-sheriffs-dept
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