Obama the Not-so-Weak

dc1971 · 12th November 2010, 10:11 PM

Obama has done plenty...

http://www.kcfreepress.com/news/2010...lately-plenty/

I would like to clarify that our President has not sat on his laurels the last 2 years doing nothing about our problems here in the United States. There is plenty he has done. I don't know what it takes to drill it through to people, but listening to the likes of Sean Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, and Joe Pags will not help create a clear picture of the accomplishments and goals of the leaders of this nation.

People here on the JREF (certain people) enjoy hopping the fear-mongering bandwagon, throwing away the process of skepticism and critical thinking, and echoing the diatribes of "what Limbaugh said" or "what Michael Savage said" instead of trying to weigh the pros and cons of what is actually happening in this country. JREFfers (certain ones) will echo that Fox News is a great news source and will criticize every other news source that's available including not only US mainstream news but also international sources such as Al-Jazeera, CBC, the BBC, and Iranian news. In other words, I'm supposed to listen to some JREFfer tell me if I'm not watching American news then I am, in essence, Un-American! Ummmm, no, that's not the way it works. If I am un-American, I would not be paying taxes, I would not be working in order to pay taxes and I would not vote nor would I care to vote. Also, what makes a person "un-American" could be that they like to make negative comments about this country and about those who are leaders of this country! Hmmm? You know who I just described? Certain JREFfers!!

Yes, I happen to watch Al-Jazeera from time to time! What of it? It's news! It's not drama like what you have with Fox News or any other U.S. News for that matter! If there were a U.S. Bureau for Al-Jazeera maybe then people in this country would be better informed instead of relying on "what Limbaugh said" or "what Michael Savage said". There would be proper discourse when discussing issues instead of bickering all the time.

If there is anything close to Al-Jazeera in this country that's REALLY news-worthy it would have to be C-SPAN. You don't have any fluff or drama that give you headaches when you watch C-SPAN!! It's news and proper commentary (although I do get the impression that some Fox News junkies watch Washington Journal - just listen to the dialog of some of the callers)!

Dragoonster · 12th November 2010, 11:02 PM

I'm a lib who doesn't mind Al-jazeera and thinks it gives a good perspective.

But Obama has done ****, at least according to my interests. He hasn't stopped rendition, hasn't stopped abuses of habea corpus, hasn't stopped Gitmo, just moved it elsewhere. He laughably dragged his heels on Don't Ask-Don't Tell even though it was a "promise". He hasn't dealt at all with DOMA. He's supported and even went beyond Bush on FISA and state secrets. Etc. etc.

He's just not a very good President. Granted, the Democratic Congress was horrible, but that's not a cleansing excuse for the executive. Balls-up Obama. Maybe you were saving your real efforts for 2nd-term? Well, you may not have one, so show some balls the next two years. Yeesh.

dc1971 · 12th November 2010, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dragoonster

I'm a lib who doesn't mind Al-jazeera and thinks it gives a good perspective.

But Obama has done ****, at least according to my interests. He hasn't stopped rendition, hasn't stopped abuses of habea corpus, hasn't stopped Gitmo, just moved it elsewhere. He laughably dragged his heels on Don't Ask-Don't Tell even though it was a "promise". He hasn't dealt at all with DOMA. He's supported and even went beyond Bush on FISA and state secrets. Etc. etc.

He's just not a very good President. Granted, the Democratic Congress was horrible, but that's not a cleansing excuse for the executive. Balls-up Obama. Maybe you were saving your real efforts for 2nd-term? Well, you may not have one, so show some balls the next two years. Yeesh.

I would have to say that the whole democratic party is to blame, not just Obama! On the balls front, that is!

Dragoonster · 12th November 2010, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by dc1971

I would have to say that the whole democratic party is to blame, not just Obama! On the balls front, that is!

Sure, but who's the leader of the Democratic party? One would think, the Democratic President. And launched into '08 with a Democrat majority? What else does he need to push forward what he (supposedly) wants to push? Does he need 535/535 Democrats in Congress to get something real done?

Health care was a boon, at least until it's repealed, so it'll never take effect...but he should've charged from the gate with his anti-Bush agenda. Instead he solidified many of Bush's positions, and didn't try much for the remainder. Democratic Congress fails; Obama also fails. Duality of failure (imo)

Foggy of the Fogbow · 13th November 2010, 05:46 AM

He's been a disappointment in many ways.

Doesn't make me wish McCain/Palin had won, though.

He DID save us from a full-scale depression, which we would have suffered under McCain.

Interesting sentence:

Quote:

JREFfers (certain ones) will echo that Fox News is a great news source and will criticize every other news source that's available including not only US mainstream news but also international sources such as Al-Jazeera, CBC, the BBC, and Iranian news.

Interesting because I spend much of my life following the antics of the loathsome Birthers, who think Fox News is treasonous and part of the enormous conspiracy to keep that Usurperin' Mofo in office. To them, the only accurate news media in the U.S. is WingNutDaily. They actually PREFER the foreign press, particularly Israel Insider, CanadaFreePress, Pravda, and Russia Today.

Orly Taitz and convicted felon James David Manning held a protest outside Fox News HQ, with the intent to force Bill O'Reilly to admit that the Birthers are right. The event resulted in almost a dozen protesters gathering, along with a few winos and homeless people.

Manning has promised to conduct a trial of Fox News, including Greta Susteren, "Nazi idiot" Glenn Beck, and all shareholders and directors, on the charges of sedition and conspiracy. Since his trial of President Obama and Columbia University was such a huge success (Obama was convicted on all charges and sentenced in absentia to life in prison at Gitmo), he has great faith in his next fake trial in his fake courtroom with a fake judge and jury listening to his fake evidence. Wouldn't you?

dc1971 · 13th November 2010, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Dragoonster

Sure, but who's the leader of the Democratic party? One would think, the Democratic President. And launched into '08 with a Democrat majority? What else does he need to push forward what he (supposedly) wants to push? Does he need 535/535 Democrats in Congress to get something real done?

Health care was a boon, at least until it's repealed, so it'll never take effect...but he should've charged from the gate with his anti-Bush agenda. Instead he solidified many of Bush's positions, and didn't try much for the remainder. Democratic Congress fails; Obama also fails. Duality of failure (imo)

I don't think he's failed. I think the American people have failed (if there is any 'failure')! After all, it's the people who voted for him!

applecorped · 13th November 2010, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by dc1971

I don't think he's failed. I think the American people have failed (if there is any 'failure')! After all, it's the people who voted for him!

Not everyone voted for him. So, I guess your saying that those who voted for him failed.

Foggy of the Fogbow · 13th November 2010, 06:27 AM

Hint for the challenged: When you vote, if the person you voted for wins the election ... it means you didn't fail.

See how that works?

geni · 13th November 2010, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by Foggy of the Fogbow

Hint for the challenged: When you vote, if the person you voted for wins the election ... it means you didn't fail.

You are ignoring tactical voting. For example if you don't like either candidate very much the rational stratergy may be to vote for the candidate most likely to come second in an attempt to make yours a marginal constituency.

applecorped · 13th November 2010, 06:36 AM

So, how then did the American people fail?

Foggy of the Fogbow · 13th November 2010, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by geni

You are ignoring tactical voting. For example if you don't like either candidate very much the rational stratergy may be to vote for the candidate most likely to come second in an attempt to make yours a marginal constituency.

I have yet to see any evidence of that happening.

I keep reading accusations that Democrats crossed over to vote for Joe Miller in Alaska, but I've seen no real evidence of that, either.

Not saying it never happens, but is it enough of a phenomenon to really affect elections?

And it certainly didn't happen in the presidential election of 2008 ...

Cain · 13th November 2010, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Dragoonster

But Obama has done ****, at least according to my interests. He hasn't stopped rendition, hasn't stopped abuses of habea corpus, hasn't stopped Gitmo, just moved it elsewhere. He laughably dragged his heels on Don't Ask-Don't Tell even though it was a "promise". He hasn't dealt at all with DOMA. He's supported and even went beyond Bush on FISA and state secrets. Etc. etc.

But he kept his promise to escalate the war in Afghanistan. Which shows he's tough n' stuff (nicely balanced with a Nobel Peace Prize). Anyway, how would any of those above mentioned things benefit ME? What Obama has to do is not **** up the country (a good way of *********** up the country is starting or escalating wars). If we're not going to get universal health-care, then how about health-care for ME? Then again, he never promised universal health-care.

Obama's a flaming liberal socialist, what with opposing gay marriage, pot legalization, universal health-care and supporting the death penalty.

Nader 2012

novice skeptic · 13th November 2010, 12:00 PM

nevermind

Policenaut · 13th November 2010, 06:37 PM

I suppose this is a reaction to my thread. In response to your first sentence I did not say Obama hasn't accomplished anything. I said he has accomplished very little considering that for two years he had more power than a president could hope for. Also what was accomplished was mostly watered down from what it could have/should have been.

dc1971 · 14th November 2010, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Policenaut

I suppose this is a reaction to my thread.

More of a reaction to JREFfers in general!

12th November 2010, 10:11 PM	#1
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,021	Obama the Not-so-Weak Obama has done plenty... http://www.kcfreepress.com/news/2010...lately-plenty/ I would like to clarify that our President has not sat on his laurels the last 2 years doing nothing about our problems here in the United States. There is plenty he has done. I don't know what it takes to drill it through to people, but listening to the likes of Sean Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, and Joe Pags will not help create a clear picture of the accomplishments and goals of the leaders of this nation. People here on the JREF (certain people) enjoy hopping the fear-mongering bandwagon, throwing away the process of skepticism and critical thinking, and echoing the diatribes of "what Limbaugh said" or "what Michael Savage said" instead of trying to weigh the pros and cons of what is actually happening in this country. JREFfers (certain ones) will echo that Fox News is a great news source and will criticize every other news source that's available including not only US mainstream news but also international sources such as Al-Jazeera, CBC, the BBC, and Iranian news. In other words, I'm supposed to listen to some JREFfer tell me if I'm not watching American news then I am, in essence, Un-American! Ummmm, no, that's not the way it works. If I am un-American, I would not be paying taxes, I would not be working in order to pay taxes and I would not vote nor would I care to vote. Also, what makes a person "un-American" could be that they like to make negative comments about this country and about those who are leaders of this country! Hmmm? You know who I just described? Certain JREFfers!! Yes, I happen to watch Al-Jazeera from time to time! What of it? It's news! It's not drama like what you have with Fox News or any other U.S. News for that matter! If there were a U.S. Bureau for Al-Jazeera maybe then people in this country would be better informed instead of relying on "what Limbaugh said" or "what Michael Savage said". There would be proper discourse when discussing issues instead of bickering all the time. If there is anything close to Al-Jazeera in this country that's REALLY news-worthy it would have to be C-SPAN. You don't have any fluff or drama that give you headaches when you watch C-SPAN!! It's news and proper commentary (although I do get the impression that some Fox News junkies watch Washington Journal - just listen to the dialog of some of the callers)!
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12th November 2010, 11:08 PM	#3
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,021	Originally Posted by Dragoonster I'm a lib who doesn't mind Al-jazeera and thinks it gives a good perspective. But Obama has done ****, at least according to my interests. He hasn't stopped rendition, hasn't stopped abuses of habea corpus, hasn't stopped Gitmo, just moved it elsewhere. He laughably dragged his heels on Don't Ask-Don't Tell even though it was a "promise". He hasn't dealt at all with DOMA. He's supported and even went beyond Bush on FISA and state secrets. Etc. etc. He's just not a very good President. Granted, the Democratic Congress was horrible, but that's not a cleansing excuse for the executive. Balls-up Obama. Maybe you were saving your real efforts for 2nd-term? Well, you may not have one, so show some balls the next two years. Yeesh. I would have to say that the whole democratic party is to blame, not just Obama! On the balls front, that is!
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13th November 2010, 05:59 AM	#6
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,021	Originally Posted by Dragoonster Sure, but who's the leader of the Democratic party? One would think, the Democratic President. And launched into '08 with a Democrat majority? What else does he need to push forward what he (supposedly) wants to push? Does he need 535/535 Democrats in Congress to get something real done? Health care was a boon, at least until it's repealed, so it'll never take effect...but he should've charged from the gate with his anti-Bush agenda. Instead he solidified many of Bush's positions, and didn't try much for the remainder. Democratic Congress fails; Obama also fails. Duality of failure (imo) I don't think he's failed. I think the American people have failed (if there is any 'failure')! After all, it's the people who voted for him!
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13th November 2010, 06:23 AM	#7
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	Originally Posted by dc1971 I don't think he's failed. I think the American people have failed (if there is any 'failure')! After all, it's the people who voted for him! Not everyone voted for him. So, I guess your saying that those who voted for him failed.
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13th November 2010, 06:36 AM	#10
applecorped Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 20,145	So, how then did the American people fail?
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12th November 2010, 11:02 PM	#2
Dragoonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,754	I'm a lib who doesn't mind Al-jazeera and thinks it gives a good perspective. But Obama has done ****, at least according to my interests. He hasn't stopped rendition, hasn't stopped abuses of habea corpus, hasn't stopped Gitmo, just moved it elsewhere. He laughably dragged his heels on Don't Ask-Don't Tell even though it was a "promise". He hasn't dealt at all with DOMA. He's supported and even went beyond Bush on FISA and state secrets. Etc. etc. He's just not a very good President. Granted, the Democratic Congress was horrible, but that's not a cleansing excuse for the executive. Balls-up Obama. Maybe you were saving your real efforts for 2nd-term? Well, you may not have one, so show some balls the next two years. Yeesh.

12th November 2010, 11:23 PM	#4
Dragoonster Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,754	Originally Posted by dc1971 I would have to say that the whole democratic party is to blame, not just Obama! On the balls front, that is! Sure, but who's the leader of the Democratic party? One would think, the Democratic President. And launched into '08 with a Democrat majority? What else does he need to push forward what he (supposedly) wants to push? Does he need 535/535 Democrats in Congress to get something real done? Health care was a boon, at least until it's repealed, so it'll never take effect...but he should've charged from the gate with his anti-Bush agenda. Instead he solidified many of Bush's positions, and didn't try much for the remainder. Democratic Congress fails; Obama also fails. Duality of failure (imo)

13th November 2010, 05:46 AM	#5
Foggy of the Fogbow Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 147	He's been a disappointment in many ways. Doesn't make me wish McCain/Palin had won, though. He DID save us from a full-scale depression, which we would have suffered under McCain. Interesting sentence: Quote: JREFfers (certain ones) will echo that Fox News is a great news source and will criticize every other news source that's available including not only US mainstream news but also international sources such as Al-Jazeera, CBC, the BBC, and Iranian news. Interesting because I spend much of my life following the antics of the loathsome Birthers, who think Fox News is treasonous and part of the enormous conspiracy to keep that Usurperin' Mofo in office. To them, the only accurate news media in the U.S. is WingNutDaily. They actually PREFER the foreign press, particularly Israel Insider, CanadaFreePress, Pravda, and Russia Today. Orly Taitz and convicted felon James David Manning held a protest outside Fox News HQ, with the intent to force Bill O'Reilly to admit that the Birthers are right. The event resulted in almost a dozen protesters gathering, along with a few winos and homeless people. Manning has promised to conduct a trial of Fox News, including Greta Susteren, "Nazi idiot" Glenn Beck, and all shareholders and directors, on the charges of sedition and conspiracy. Since his trial of President Obama and Columbia University was such a huge success (Obama was convicted on all charges and sentenced in absentia to life in prison at Gitmo), he has great faith in his next fake trial in his fake courtroom with a fake judge and jury listening to his fake evidence. Wouldn't you?

13th November 2010, 06:27 AM	#8
Foggy of the Fogbow Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 147	Hint for the challenged: When you vote, if the person you voted for wins the election ... it means you didn't fail. See how that works?

13th November 2010, 06:35 AM	#9
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 28,185	Originally Posted by Foggy of the Fogbow Hint for the challenged: When you vote, if the person you voted for wins the election ... it means you didn't fail. You are ignoring tactical voting. For example if you don't like either candidate very much the rational stratergy may be to vote for the candidate most likely to come second in an attempt to make yours a marginal constituency.

13th November 2010, 06:44 AM	#11
Foggy of the Fogbow Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 147	Originally Posted by geni You are ignoring tactical voting. For example if you don't like either candidate very much the rational stratergy may be to vote for the candidate most likely to come second in an attempt to make yours a marginal constituency. I have yet to see any evidence of that happening. I keep reading accusations that Democrats crossed over to vote for Joe Miller in Alaska, but I've seen no real evidence of that, either. Not saying it never happens, but is it enough of a phenomenon to really affect elections? And it certainly didn't happen in the presidential election of 2008 ...
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13th November 2010, 08:00 AM	#12
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,298	Originally Posted by Dragoonster But Obama has done **, at least according to my interests. He hasn't stopped rendition, hasn't stopped abuses of habea corpus, hasn't stopped Gitmo, just moved it elsewhere. He laughably dragged his heels on Don't Ask-Don't Tell even though it was a "promise". He hasn't dealt at all with DOMA. He's supported and even went beyond Bush on FISA and state secrets. Etc. etc. But he kept his promise to escalate the war in Afghanistan. Which shows he's tough n' stuff (nicely balanced with a Nobel Peace Prize). Anyway, how would any of those above mentioned things benefit ME? What Obama has to do is not up the country (a good way of ********* up the country is starting or escalating wars). If we're not going to get universal health-care, then how about health-care for ME? Then again, he never promised universal health-care. Obama's a flaming liberal socialist, what with opposing gay marriage, pot legalization, universal health-care and supporting the death penalty. Nader 2012
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13th November 2010, 12:00 PM	#13
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13th November 2010, 06:37 PM	#14
Policenaut Infidel Defiler Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,191	I suppose this is a reaction to my thread. In response to your first sentence I did not say Obama hasn't accomplished anything. I said he has accomplished very little considering that for two years he had more power than a president could hope for. Also what was accomplished was mostly watered down from what it could have/should have been.

14th November 2010, 10:24 AM	#15
dc1971 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,021	Originally Posted by Policenaut I suppose this is a reaction to my thread. More of a reaction to JREFfers in general!
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