Going forward, who will be the face of the Democratic Party? - Page 2

NoahFence · 6th December 2016, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

Well, that would've been a unique move - the Dems naming a Senator as their House Leader.

LOL

That's the very foundation of Trumps victory, isn't it?

Cluelessness on a grand scale.

The Big Dog · 6th December 2016, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by BDBoop

I tried reading his response. It wasn't worth the time or effort.

I quite admire Ms. Duckworth.

what part did you have trouble with?

The part where she got sued for booting two whistleblowers?

Here's an article:

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/160729088/

I'm sorry you find it tough sledding. but it is old news to people who live in Madigastan

Denver · 6th December 2016, 09:55 AM

When Obama won a second term and shocked the GOP, they immediately got their own black guy, Michael Steele, to be chairperson of the Republican National Committee.

I expect the dems will now do the same thing. Find someone with Trump attributes, to give the people what they want. Maybe someone famous and rich, with a media presence and a penchant for rough speak.

Though Kevin Spacey might be a bit too on the nose.

NoahFence · 6th December 2016, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Dog

what part did you have trouble with?

The part where she got sued for booting two whistleblowers?

Here's an article:

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/160729088/

I'm sorry you find it tough sledding. but it is old news to people who live in Madigastan

Didn't you get the memo? Being sued, being found guilty, settling out of court, and in general being a scumbag doesn't mean anything in 2016.

So sorry.

Fun whine though!

The Big Dog · 6th December 2016, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

Didn't you get the memo? Being sued, being found guilty, settling out of court, and in general being a scumbag doesn't mean anything in 2016.

So sorry.

Fun whine though!

Hey, we are on the same page, she's a scumbag.

Good post!

NoahFence · 6th December 2016, 10:57 AM

LOL
"I know you are but what am I"

You guys are a fountain of critical thought.

The Big Dog · 6th December 2016, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

LOL
"I know you are but what am I"

You guys are a fountain of critical thought.

Ummm, "we agree" is not a "I know you are but what am I"

Or perhaps he was replying to someone else?

Dr. Keith · 7th December 2016, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Denver

When Obama won a second term and shocked the GOP, they immediately got their own black guy, Michael Steele, to be chairperson of the Republican National Committee.

I expect the dems will now do the same thing. Find someone with Trump attributes, to give the people what they want. Maybe someone famous and rich, with a media presence and a penchant for rough speak.

Though Kevin Spacey might be a bit too on the nose.

Alec Baldwin?

portlandatheist · 7th December 2016, 01:26 PM

Cynthia Mckinney

Dr. Keith · 7th December 2016, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Obama will remain the face of the Democrats, thus stifling the development of new leadership.

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

^How do you figure that? He seems intent on fading off into the background.

Originally Posted by BDBoop

No he doesn't. He intends to be working at the grassroots level to get things turned around for 2018. He also will be guiding Trump as much as he is allowed to to hopefully allay the amount of damage the man can do.

I doubt he will fade out of sight like Bush has, but I also doubt he will be the face of the party. I think he will be supportive of the party and organizations that he believes are good for the country, but he has no interest in being the one in charge or the face of the party.

Ziggurat · 7th December 2016, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

I doubt he will fade out of sight like Bush has

He's already said he won't.

Quote:

I think he will be supportive of the party and organizations that he believes are good for the country, but he has no interest in being the one in charge or the face of the party.

Being the face of the party doesn't mean being in charge. It means being the one the public primarily pays attention to. If not Obama, who? Pelosi? Reid? Ellison?

Dr. Keith · 7th December 2016, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

He's already said he won't.

I was confirming that I believe him when he says that. Apparently that is now necessary among people who have been elected to this office.

Quote:

Being the face of the party doesn't mean being in charge. It means being the one the public primarily pays attention to.

Right, that is why I used "or" instead of "and". I don't think he wants to be in charge OR the face of the party. He wants to support the party.

Quote:

If not Obama, who? Pelosi? Reid? Ellison?

That's the point of the thread, no?

We would have a better idea if Hillary hadn't run this cycle, but she did. She cleared the field and only one person from the party was willing to stick their neck out while she was running. So now we have to wait and see who comes out of the woodwork.

I don't think it will be Pelosi or anyone over 50 for that matter. I could be wrong, but I think Sanders was an outlier in being able to represent the future from such an advanced age.

I imagine several people will come and go over the next few years. Who was the face of the GOP over the last 8 years? Certainly not Trump or Jeb.

Spindrift · 7th December 2016, 03:15 PM

The Dems don't need someone to be the face of the party.

The Dems just need someone to show up in 2019 and they have a history of candidates coming out of nowhere and winning. (Kennedy, Carter, B Clinton, Obama)

The Dems aren't so successful with well established contenders. (Humphrey, Gore, Kerry, H Clinton)

Dr. Keith · 7th December 2016, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

The Dems don't need someone to be the face of the party.

The Dems just need someone to show up in 2019 and they have a history of candidates coming out of nowhere and winning. (Kennedy, Carter, B Clinton, Obama)

The Dems aren't so successful with well established contenders. (Humphrey, Gore, Kerry, H Clinton)

Agreed.

logger · 7th December 2016, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

LOL

That's the very foundation of Trumps victory, isn't it?

Cluelessness on a grand scale.

Lol, the new narrative.

Actually, your side ran a terrible candidate.

Belz... · 8th December 2016, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by logger

Lol, the new narrative.

Actually, your side ran a terrible candidate.

Ouch, what does that say about the worse candidate who won?

The Don · 8th December 2016, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

The Dems don't need someone to be the face of the party.

The Dems just need someone to show up in 2019 and they have a history of candidates coming out of nowhere and winning. (Kennedy, Carter, B Clinton, Obama)

The Dems aren't so successful with well established contenders. (Humphrey, Gore, Kerry, H Clinton)

Is that because the GOP has plenty of time to undermine an established candidate's reputation with lies and innuendo but when a candidate comes out of the blue, so to speak, they don't have time for the groundwork and have to actually rely on policy and the quality of their candidate ?

Of is it instead that to be a "come out of nowhere" candidate you have to be truly exceptional so the GOP is facing a severely uphill battle ?

6th December 2016, 09:25 AM	#42
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by BDBoop I tried reading his response. It wasn't worth the time or effort. I quite admire Ms. Duckworth. what part did you have trouble with? The part where she got sued for booting two whistleblowers? Here's an article: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/160729088/ I'm sorry you find it tough sledding. but it is old news to people who live in Madigastan
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6th December 2016, 09:55 AM	#43
Denver Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,015	When Obama won a second term and shocked the GOP, they immediately got their own black guy, Michael Steele, to be chairperson of the Republican National Committee. I expect the dems will now do the same thing. Find someone with Trump attributes, to give the people what they want. Maybe someone famous and rich, with a media presence and a penchant for rough speak. Though Kevin Spacey might be a bit too on the nose.
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6th December 2016, 10:30 AM	#45
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by NoahFence Didn't you get the memo? Being sued, being found guilty, settling out of court, and in general being a scumbag doesn't mean anything in 2016. So sorry. Fun whine though! Hey, we are on the same page, she's a scumbag. Good post!
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6th December 2016, 11:01 AM	#47
The Big Dog Guest Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 29,742	Originally Posted by NoahFence LOL "I know you are but what am I" You guys are a fountain of critical thought. Ummm, "we agree" is not a "I know you are but what am I" Or perhaps he was replying to someone else?
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7th December 2016, 01:08 PM	#48
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,884	Originally Posted by Denver When Obama won a second term and shocked the GOP, they immediately got their own black guy, Michael Steele, to be chairperson of the Republican National Committee. I expect the dems will now do the same thing. Find someone with Trump attributes, to give the people what they want. Maybe someone famous and rich, with a media presence and a penchant for rough speak. Though Kevin Spacey might be a bit too on the nose. Alec Baldwin?
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6th December 2016, 07:40 AM	#41
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz Well, that would've been a unique move - the Dems naming a Senator as their House Leader. LOL That's the very foundation of Trumps victory, isn't it? Cluelessness on a grand scale.

6th December 2016, 10:18 AM	#44
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by The Big Dog what part did you have trouble with? The part where she got sued for booting two whistleblowers? Here's an article: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/160729088/ I'm sorry you find it tough sledding. but it is old news to people who live in Madigastan Didn't you get the memo? Being sued, being found guilty, settling out of court, and in general being a scumbag doesn't mean anything in 2016. So sorry. Fun whine though!

6th December 2016, 10:57 AM	#46
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	LOL "I know you are but what am I" You guys are a fountain of critical thought.

7th December 2016, 01:26 PM	#49
portlandatheist Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,631	Cynthia Mckinney

7th December 2016, 01:53 PM	#50
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,884	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Obama will remain the face of the Democrats, thus stifling the development of new leadership. Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive ^How do you figure that? He seems intent on fading off into the background. Originally Posted by BDBoop No he doesn't. He intends to be working at the grassroots level to get things turned around for 2018. He also will be guiding Trump as much as he is allowed to to hopefully allay the amount of damage the man can do. I doubt he will fade out of sight like Bush has, but I also doubt he will be the face of the party. I think he will be supportive of the party and organizations that he believes are good for the country, but he has no interest in being the one in charge or the face of the party.
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7th December 2016, 02:06 PM	#51
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 48,612	Originally Posted by Dr. Keith I doubt he will fade out of sight like Bush has He's already said he won't. Quote: I think he will be supportive of the party and organizations that he believes are good for the country, but he has no interest in being the one in charge or the face of the party. Being the face of the party doesn't mean being in charge. It means being the one the public primarily pays attention to. If not Obama, who? Pelosi? Reid? Ellison?
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7th December 2016, 02:43 PM	#52
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,884	Originally Posted by Ziggurat He's already said he won't. I was confirming that I believe him when he says that. Apparently that is now necessary among people who have been elected to this office. Quote: Being the face of the party doesn't mean being in charge. It means being the one the public primarily pays attention to. Right, that is why I used "or" instead of "and". I don't think he wants to be in charge OR the face of the party. He wants to support the party. Quote: If not Obama, who? Pelosi? Reid? Ellison? That's the point of the thread, no? We would have a better idea if Hillary hadn't run this cycle, but she did. She cleared the field and only one person from the party was willing to stick their neck out while she was running. So now we have to wait and see who comes out of the woodwork. I don't think it will be Pelosi or anyone over 50 for that matter. I could be wrong, but I think Sanders was an outlier in being able to represent the future from such an advanced age. I imagine several people will come and go over the next few years. Who was the face of the GOP over the last 8 years? Certainly not Trump or Jeb.
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7th December 2016, 03:15 PM	#53
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	The Dems don't need someone to be the face of the party. The Dems just need someone to show up in 2019 and they have a history of candidates coming out of nowhere and winning. (Kennedy, Carter, B Clinton, Obama) The Dems aren't so successful with well established contenders. (Humphrey, Gore, Kerry, H Clinton)
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7th December 2016, 03:59 PM	#54
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,884	Originally Posted by Spindrift The Dems don't need someone to be the face of the party. The Dems just need someone to show up in 2019 and they have a history of candidates coming out of nowhere and winning. (Kennedy, Carter, B Clinton, Obama) The Dems aren't so successful with well established contenders. (Humphrey, Gore, Kerry, H Clinton) Agreed.
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7th December 2016, 05:52 PM	#55
logger Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11,145	Originally Posted by NoahFence LOL That's the very foundation of Trumps victory, isn't it? Cluelessness on a grand scale. Lol, the new narrative. Actually, your side ran a terrible candidate.
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8th December 2016, 07:29 AM	#56
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,962	Originally Posted by logger Lol, the new narrative. Actually, your side ran a terrible candidate. Ouch, what does that say about the worse candidate who won?
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8th December 2016, 07:45 AM	#57
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,580	Originally Posted by Spindrift The Dems don't need someone to be the face of the party. The Dems just need someone to show up in 2019 and they have a history of candidates coming out of nowhere and winning. (Kennedy, Carter, B Clinton, Obama) The Dems aren't so successful with well established contenders. (Humphrey, Gore, Kerry, H Clinton) Is that because the GOP has plenty of time to undermine an established candidate's reputation with lies and innuendo but when a candidate comes out of the blue, so to speak, they don't have time for the groundwork and have to actually rely on policy and the quality of their candidate ? Of is it instead that to be a "come out of nowhere" candidate you have to be truly exceptional so the GOP is facing a severely uphill battle ?