Trump's Coup d'état. - Page 87

Distracted1 · 6th January 2021, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Elagabalus

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Indeed.
An almost universal principle.

ChristianProgressive · 6th January 2021, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

God, you have to be an idiot not to get that once a tweet goes out, it is there forever.

Or not care because you know you won't be held accountable.

Jack by the hedge · 6th January 2021, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

In that case, heads should roll in the police department.

Nobody in charge of law enforcement has any right to say they didn't see this coming.

In fact, they should be investigated as complicit.

One imagines those in charge would have reason to worry about being held to account. What were they thinking? Imagine if the maniac in chief they appear to be indulging was about to be replaced by someone who doesn't think letting fascists run amok in government buildings is such a fun idea.

As an outside observer I feel like I need to express sympathy and say how sad I am that in front of the world's media America has had this, to be frank, national humiliation dumped on it as a final tantrum by Trump.

acbytesla · 6th January 2021, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

A Coup d'etat requires the military to join in. A coup does not.

A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself.

johnny karate · 6th January 2021, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

They broke a few windows, yelled a lot, and one person was shot and ~~seriously injured~~ died (by a cop that felt threatened).

Not so funny now.

A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process.

How is that not a coup?

They broke a few windows and yelled a lot?

That’s your takeaway?

thaiboxerken · 6th January 2021, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

No it does not. A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself.

I stand corrected. Either way, SG's dismissal of this as a coup attempt because the military isn't supporting it doesn't fly.

Jack by the hedge · 6th January 2021, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Just heard Insurrectionists calling CNN reporters four letter words.

That's kinda dog-bites-man. Wait till CNN starts to call them *****. Then you have a story.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive

Yes. Absolutely.

Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there.

The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi.

And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection.

How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup?

Minoosh · 6th January 2021, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

As an outside observer I feel like I need to express sympathy and say how sad I am that in front of the world's media America has had this, to be frank, national humiliation dumped on it as a final tantrum by Trump.

We should be so lucky.

Mader Levap · 6th January 2021, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there.

The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi.

And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection.

How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup?

Different times, different context, different protests, different cause, different goals.
Blind, blind, blind.

thaiboxerken · 6th January 2021, 04:13 PM

It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

I stand corrected. Either way, SG's dismissal of this as a coup attempt because the military isn't supporting it doesn't fly.

Maybe not in your opinion.

Trump's in a category by himself. He's not competent to carry out a real coup. This vociferous crowd of rowdy CT believers wasn't an insurrection.

Jack by the hedge · 6th January 2021, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process.

How is that not a coup?

Insurrection? Rebellion? Revolt? Insurgency?

There's bound to be a word that fits even if "coup" is disputed on a technicality.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt.

So did you label the Bundy Ranch event or the Malheur Forest event insurrections? Attempted insurrections?

Jack by the hedge · 6th January 2021, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt.

This.

thaiboxerken · 6th January 2021, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Maybe not in your opinion.

Trump's in a category by himself. He's not competent to carry out a real coup. This vociferous crowd of rowdy CT believers wasn't an insurrection.

If Trump attacked me in the street, it would still be an attack even though there is zero chance he would be successful.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mader Levap

Different times, different context, different protests, different cause, different goals.
Blind, blind, blind.

Overreaction. Overreaction. Overreaction.

thaiboxerken · 6th January 2021, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

So did you label the Bundy Ranch event or the Malheur Forest event insurrections? Attempted insurrections?

No. Did they try to take over the government? To overthrow an election?

dudalb · 6th January 2021, 04:18 PM

Trump just tweeted that the insurrectionists are "Great Patriots".

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2021, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process.

How is that not a coup?

They broke a few windows and yelled a lot?

That’s your takeaway?

Because that's not what a coup is.

Resume · 6th January 2021, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Trump just tweeted that the insurrectionists are "Great Patriots".

25th.

dudalb · 6th January 2021, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

25th.

The Captain Queeg solution.

lomiller · 6th January 2021, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself.

Keeping in mind that in the US (and most democracies) the military isn't supposed to be in the business of deciding who won an election or who the rightful President it. The US military may feel compelled to intervene at some point but they would be going beyond their role and would set a dangerous precedent that "the real President is whoever the military thinks won the election"

Mader Levap · 6th January 2021, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Overreaction. Overreaction. Overreaction.

Not my problem you compared apples to oranges.
At least when amount of dead will be more than dozen you will be forced to stop using vietnam example. I am quite sure you will still hang onto various silly excuses about why it is no big deal.

trustbutverify · 6th January 2021, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Although I find everything about Trump repugnant, it's said that, in person, he has a certain charm. He certainly seems to have an attraction for millions of Americans who adore him to the point of adoration. On the other hand, Cruz may be smart, very smart, but he has no charm at all. There is nothing about him that elicits that kind of emotion. I'd say just the opposite. He's oily.

Outside of sycophants, who said this?

P.J. Denyer · 6th January 2021, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by turingtest

Oh, you are ******* kidding me. "We had an election that was stolen from us...this was a fraudulent election...I know how you feel...etc." He's telling them to go home and simultaneously repeating the lies that brought them to this point!

There have been a lot of low points in Trump's presidency- that little performance has got to be one of the lowest.

He might as well as given a big cartoon wink after each "Go home" and stage whispered "Don't go home". His actions are disgusting.

dudalb · 6th January 2021, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

Outside of sycophants, who said this?

He did have certian charm back in the "Apprentice " days. But not in the past decade.

trustbutverify · 6th January 2021, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Fizil

The entire Trump Presidency constantly makes me think of the collapse of the Roman Republic. The Roman Constitution was based on tradition, how things have been done in the past. Thus certain things were technically allowed, but by tradition were never done. The Republic began to unravel when certain politicians started to exploit the potential power of various offices, rather than their traditional powers.

Yes.

trustbutverify · 6th January 2021, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

He did have certian charm back in the "Apprentice " days. But not in the past decade.

I've seen the show. Didn't notice any charm.

Checkmite · 6th January 2021, 04:37 PM

Trump's "this is what happens" tweet has reportedly been removed by Twitter for inciting violence. I can't personally verify this because I don't follow the the shmuck.

Mike! · 6th January 2021, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

He might as well as given a big cartoon wink after each "Go home" and stage whispered "Don't go home". His actions are disgusting.

At least this guy was sincere.

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trustbutverify · 6th January 2021, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

Hey, quick hypothetical question: When a president who just lost an election and keeps claiming it was rigged incites his supporters into storming the Capitol where the election results are currently being certified, can we call it a coup then?

Stop trying to make a mountain out of a...um... slightly smaller mountain.

trustbutverify · 6th January 2021, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by timhau

Elevated security measures for the Wuss-in-Chief.

Doesn't The Donald want to lead his courageous freedom fighters into battle?

Minoosh · 6th January 2021, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt.

An attempt, though. Fortunately a very incompetent attempt.

pgwenthold · 6th January 2021, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

From https://twitter.com/evansiegfried/status/1346947668648603650:

That, my friends, is a coup d'etat

And it had to be done.

Minoosh · 6th January 2021, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

I've seen the show. Didn't notice any charm.

OK, how 'bout we downgrade that to "can appear not to be a total ******* when he tries really hard"?

Minoosh · 6th January 2021, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

That, my friends, is a coup d'etat

And it had to be done.

Outstanding.

trustbutverify · 6th January 2021, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Unless they have some actual plan or means to seize power, no. It's just a Dildo Storm of nitwits, who are in for an unpleasant acquaintance with the legal system. .

Let's watch, shall we, as the Dildo Storm is swept into inconsequence by Capitol Security.

The same Capitol Security that acted as the Dildo Storm's welcome mat?

johnny karate · 6th January 2021, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Because that's not what a coup is.

It is, actually.

And considering that two of your major takeaways from what happened are that windows were broken and there was yelling, I’m not entirely confident in the accuracy of your assessment.

pgwenthold · 6th January 2021, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there.

The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi.

And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection.

How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup?

They stormed the session of Congress to prevent them from counting the votes in the electoral college to determine the President.

That's not the same as the NG firing on students at Kent State.

6th January 2021, 04:03 PM	#3441
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6th January 2021, 04:03 PM	#3442
ChristianProgressive Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 2,846	Originally Posted by dudalb God, you have to be an idiot not to get that once a tweet goes out, it is there forever. Or not care because you know you won't be held accountable.
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6th January 2021, 04:07 PM	#3444
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,585	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken A Coup d'etat requires the military to join in. A coup does not. A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself.
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6th January 2021, 04:09 PM	#3446
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by acbytesla No it does not. A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself. I stand corrected. Either way, SG's dismissal of this as a coup attempt because the military isn't supporting it doesn't fly.
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6th January 2021, 04:12 PM	#3450
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there. The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi. And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection. How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup? Different times, different context, different protests, different cause, different goals. Blind, blind, blind.
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6th January 2021, 04:06 PM	#3443
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,977	Originally Posted by angrysoba In that case, heads should roll in the police department. Nobody in charge of law enforcement has any right to say they didn't see this coming. In fact, they should be investigated as complicit. One imagines those in charge would have reason to worry about being held to account. What were they thinking? Imagine if the maniac in chief they appear to be indulging was about to be replaced by someone who doesn't think letting fascists run amok in government buildings is such a fun idea. As an outside observer I feel like I need to express sympathy and say how sad I am that in front of the world's media America has had this, to be frank, national humiliation dumped on it as a final tantrum by Trump.

6th January 2021, 04:08 PM	#3445
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14,652	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger They broke a few windows, yelled a lot, and one person was shot and ~~seriously injured~~ died (by a cop that felt threatened). Not so funny now. A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process. How is that not a coup? They broke a few windows and yelled a lot? That’s your takeaway?

6th January 2021, 04:09 PM	#3447
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,977	Originally Posted by dudalb Just heard Insurrectionists calling CNN reporters four letter words. That's kinda dog-bites-man. Wait till CNN starts to call them *****. Then you have a story.

6th January 2021, 04:11 PM	#3448
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,810	Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive Yes. Absolutely. Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there. The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi. And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection. How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup?

6th January 2021, 04:11 PM	#3449
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,330	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge As an outside observer I feel like I need to express sympathy and say how sad I am that in front of the world's media America has had this, to be frank, national humiliation dumped on it as a final tantrum by Trump. We should be so lucky.

6th January 2021, 04:13 PM	#3451
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,717	It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt.
	__________________ 1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.

6th January 2021, 04:14 PM	#3452
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,810	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken I stand corrected. Either way, SG's dismissal of this as a coup attempt because the military isn't supporting it doesn't fly. Maybe not in your opinion. Trump's in a category by himself. He's not competent to carry out a real coup. This vociferous crowd of rowdy CT believers wasn't an insurrection.

6th January 2021, 04:14 PM	#3453
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,977	Originally Posted by johnny karate A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process. How is that not a coup? Insurrection? Rebellion? Revolt? Insurgency? There's bound to be a word that fits even if "coup" is disputed on a technicality.

6th January 2021, 04:15 PM	#3454
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,810	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt. So did you label the Bundy Ranch event or the Malheur Forest event insurrections? Attempted insurrections?

6th January 2021, 04:16 PM	#3455
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,977	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt. This.

6th January 2021, 04:16 PM	#3456
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Maybe not in your opinion. Trump's in a category by himself. He's not competent to carry out a real coup. This vociferous crowd of rowdy CT believers wasn't an insurrection. If Trump attacked me in the street, it would still be an attack even though there is zero chance he would be successful.
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6th January 2021, 04:17 PM	#3457
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,810	Originally Posted by Mader Levap Different times, different context, different protests, different cause, different goals. Blind, blind, blind. Overreaction. Overreaction. Overreaction.

6th January 2021, 04:18 PM	#3458
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger So did you label the Bundy Ranch event or the Malheur Forest event insurrections? Attempted insurrections? No. Did they try to take over the government? To overthrow an election?
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6th January 2021, 04:18 PM	#3459
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,537	Trump just tweeted that the insurrectionists are "Great Patriots".
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6th January 2021, 04:18 PM	#3460
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,810	Originally Posted by johnny karate A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process. *How is that not* a coup?** They broke a few windows and yelled a lot? That’s your takeaway? Because that's not what a coup is.

6th January 2021, 04:20 PM	#3461
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 19,069	Originally Posted by dudalb Trump just tweeted that the insurrectionists are "Great Patriots". 25th.

6th January 2021, 04:27 PM	#3462
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,537	Originally Posted by Resume 25th. The Captain Queeg solution.
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6th January 2021, 04:27 PM	#3463
lomiller Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 11,483	Originally Posted by acbytesla A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself. Keeping in mind that in the US (and most democracies) the military isn't supposed to be in the business of deciding who won an election or who the rightful President it. The US military may feel compelled to intervene at some point but they would be going beyond their role and would set a dangerous precedent that "the real President is whoever the military thinks won the election"
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6th January 2021, 04:30 PM	#3464
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,576	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Overreaction. Overreaction. Overreaction. Not my problem you compared apples to oranges. At least when amount of dead will be more than dozen you will be forced to stop using vietnam example. I am quite sure you will still hang onto various silly excuses about why it is no big deal.
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6th January 2021, 04:31 PM	#3465
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,895	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Although I find everything about Trump repugnant, it's said that, in person, he has a certain charm. He certainly seems to have an attraction for millions of Americans who adore him to the point of adoration. On the other hand, Cruz may be smart, very smart, but he has no charm at all. There is nothing about him that elicits that kind of emotion. I'd say just the opposite. He's oily. Outside of sycophants, who said this?
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6th January 2021, 04:32 PM	#3466
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,996	Originally Posted by turingtest Oh, you are ******* kidding me. "We had an election that was stolen from us...this was a fraudulent election...I know how you feel...etc." He's telling them to go home and simultaneously repeating the lies that brought them to this point! There have been a lot of low points in Trump's presidency- that little performance has got to be one of the lowest. He might as well as given a big cartoon wink after each "Go home" and stage whispered "Don't go home". His actions are disgusting.
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6th January 2021, 04:32 PM	#3467
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,537	Originally Posted by trustbutverify Outside of sycophants, who said this? He did have certian charm back in the "Apprentice " days. But not in the past decade.
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6th January 2021, 04:33 PM	#3468
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,895	Originally Posted by Fizil The entire Trump Presidency constantly makes me think of the collapse of the Roman Republic. The Roman Constitution was based on tradition, how things have been done in the past. Thus certain things were technically allowed, but by tradition were never done. The Republic began to unravel when certain politicians started to exploit the potential power of various offices, rather than their traditional powers. Yes.
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6th January 2021, 04:35 PM	#3469
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,895	Originally Posted by dudalb He did have certian charm back in the "Apprentice " days. But not in the past decade. I've seen the show. Didn't notice any charm.
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6th January 2021, 04:37 PM	#3470
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 26,536	Trump's "this is what happens" tweet has reportedly been removed by Twitter for inciting violence. I can't personally verify this because I don't follow the the shmuck.
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6th January 2021, 04:44 PM	#3472
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,895	Originally Posted by johnny karate Hey, quick hypothetical question: When a president who just lost an election and keeps claiming it was rigged incites his supporters into storming the Capitol where the election results are currently being certified, can we call it a coup then? Stop trying to make a mountain out of a...um... slightly smaller mountain.
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6th January 2021, 04:51 PM	#3473
trustbutverify Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,895	Originally Posted by timhau Elevated security measures for the Wuss-in-Chief. Doesn't The Donald want to lead his courageous freedom fighters into battle?
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6th January 2021, 04:51 PM	#3474
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,330	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt. An attempt, though. Fortunately a very incompetent attempt.

6th January 2021, 04:52 PM	#3475
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,220	Originally Posted by cosmicaug From https://twitter.com/evansiegfried/status/1346947668648603650: That, my friends, is a coup d'etat And it had to be done.
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6th January 2021, 04:53 PM	#3476
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,330	Originally Posted by trustbutverify I've seen the show. Didn't notice any charm. OK, how 'bout we downgrade that to "can appear not to be a total ******* when he tries really hard"?