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Old 6th January 2021, 04:03 PM   #3441
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Indeed.
An almost universal principle.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:03 PM   #3442
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
God, you have to be an idiot not to get that once a tweet goes out, it is there forever.
Or not care because you know you won't be held accountable.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:06 PM   #3443
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
In that case, heads should roll in the police department.

Nobody in charge of law enforcement has any right to say they didn't see this coming.

In fact, they should be investigated as complicit.
One imagines those in charge would have reason to worry about being held to account. What were they thinking? Imagine if the maniac in chief they appear to be indulging was about to be replaced by someone who doesn't think letting fascists run amok in government buildings is such a fun idea.

As an outside observer I feel like I need to express sympathy and say how sad I am that in front of the world's media America has had this, to be frank, national humiliation dumped on it as a final tantrum by Trump.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:07 PM   #3444
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
A Coup d'etat requires the military to join in. A coup does not.
A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:08 PM   #3445
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post


They broke a few windows, yelled a lot, and one person was shot and seriously injured died (by a cop that felt threatened).

Not so funny now.
A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process.

How is that not a coup?

They broke a few windows and yelled a lot?

That’s your takeaway?
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:09 PM   #3446
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
No it does not. A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself.
I stand corrected. Either way, SG's dismissal of this as a coup attempt because the military isn't supporting it doesn't fly.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:09 PM   #3447
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Just heard Insurrectionists calling CNN reporters four letter words.
That's kinda dog-bites-man. Wait till CNN starts to call them *****. Then you have a story.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:11 PM   #3448
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Yes. Absolutely.
Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there.

The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi.

And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection.

How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup?
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:11 PM   #3449
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
As an outside observer I feel like I need to express sympathy and say how sad I am that in front of the world's media America has had this, to be frank, national humiliation dumped on it as a final tantrum by Trump.
We should be so lucky.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:12 PM   #3450
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there.

The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi.

And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection.

How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup?
Different times, different context, different protests, different cause, different goals.
Blind, blind, blind.
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It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:14 PM   #3452
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I stand corrected. Either way, SG's dismissal of this as a coup attempt because the military isn't supporting it doesn't fly.
Maybe not in your opinion.

Trump's in a category by himself. He's not competent to carry out a real coup. This vociferous crowd of rowdy CT believers wasn't an insurrection.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process.

How is that not a coup?
Insurrection? Rebellion? Revolt? Insurgency?

There's bound to be a word that fits even if "coup" is disputed on a technicality.
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt.
So did you label the Bundy Ranch event or the Malheur Forest event insurrections? Attempted insurrections?
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt.
This.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Maybe not in your opinion.

Trump's in a category by himself. He's not competent to carry out a real coup. This vociferous crowd of rowdy CT believers wasn't an insurrection.
If Trump attacked me in the street, it would still be an attack even though there is zero chance he would be successful.
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Different times, different context, different protests, different cause, different goals.
Blind, blind, blind.
Overreaction. Overreaction. Overreaction.
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So did you label the Bundy Ranch event or the Malheur Forest event insurrections? Attempted insurrections?
No. Did they try to take over the government? To overthrow an election?
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:18 PM   #3459
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Trump just tweeted that the insurrectionists are "Great Patriots".
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A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process.

How is that not a coup?

They broke a few windows and yelled a lot?

That’s your takeaway?
Because that's not what a coup is.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:20 PM   #3461
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Trump just tweeted that the insurrectionists are "Great Patriots".
25th.
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25th.
The Captain Queeg solution.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:27 PM   #3463
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A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself.
Keeping in mind that in the US (and most democracies) the military isn't supposed to be in the business of deciding who won an election or who the rightful President it. The US military may feel compelled to intervene at some point but they would be going beyond their role and would set a dangerous precedent that "the real President is whoever the military thinks won the election"
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:30 PM   #3464
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Overreaction. Overreaction. Overreaction.
Not my problem you compared apples to oranges.
At least when amount of dead will be more than dozen you will be forced to stop using vietnam example. I am quite sure you will still hang onto various silly excuses about why it is no big deal.
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:31 PM   #3465
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Although I find everything about Trump repugnant, it's said that, in person, he has a certain charm. He certainly seems to have an attraction for millions of Americans who adore him to the point of adoration. On the other hand, Cruz may be smart, very smart, but he has no charm at all. There is nothing about him that elicits that kind of emotion. I'd say just the opposite. He's oily.
Outside of sycophants, who said this?
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Old 6th January 2021, 04:32 PM   #3466
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Oh, you are ******* kidding me. "We had an election that was stolen from us...this was a fraudulent election...I know how you feel...etc." He's telling them to go home and simultaneously repeating the lies that brought them to this point!

There have been a lot of low points in Trump's presidency- that little performance has got to be one of the lowest.
He might as well as given a big cartoon wink after each "Go home" and stage whispered "Don't go home". His actions are disgusting.
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Outside of sycophants, who said this?
He did have certian charm back in the "Apprentice " days. But not in the past decade.
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The entire Trump Presidency constantly makes me think of the collapse of the Roman Republic. The Roman Constitution was based on tradition, how things have been done in the past. Thus certain things were technically allowed, but by tradition were never done. The Republic began to unravel when certain politicians started to exploit the potential power of various offices, rather than their traditional powers.
Yes.
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He did have certian charm back in the "Apprentice " days. But not in the past decade.
I've seen the show. Didn't notice any charm.
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Trump's "this is what happens" tweet has reportedly been removed by Twitter for inciting violence. I can't personally verify this because I don't follow the the shmuck.
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He might as well as given a big cartoon wink after each "Go home" and stage whispered "Don't go home". His actions are disgusting.
At least this guy was sincere.
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Hey, quick hypothetical question: When a president who just lost an election and keeps claiming it was rigged incites his supporters into storming the Capitol where the election results are currently being certified, can we call it a coup then?
Stop trying to make a mountain out of a...um... slightly smaller mountain.
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Elevated security measures for the Wuss-in-Chief.
Doesn't The Donald want to lead his courageous freedom fighters into battle?
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It doesn't matter how pathetic the coup attempt is, it is still an attempt.
An attempt, though. Fortunately a very incompetent attempt.
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That, my friends, is a coup d'etat

And it had to be done.
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I've seen the show. Didn't notice any charm.
OK, how 'bout we downgrade that to "can appear not to be a total ******* when he tries really hard"?
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That, my friends, is a coup d'etat

And it had to be done.
Outstanding.
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Unless they have some actual plan or means to seize power, no. It's just a Dildo Storm of nitwits, who are in for an unpleasant acquaintance with the legal system. .

Let's watch, shall we, as the Dildo Storm is swept into inconsequence by Capitol Security.
The same Capitol Security that acted as the Dildo Storm's welcome mat?
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Because that's not what a coup is.
It is, actually.

And considering that two of your major takeaways from what happened are that windows were broken and there was yelling, I’m not entirely confident in the accuracy of your assessment.
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Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there.

The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi.

And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection.

How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup?
They stormed the session of Congress to prevent them from counting the votes in the electoral college to determine the President.

That's not the same as the NG firing on students at Kent State.
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