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Old 22nd October 2018, 12:38 PM   #3001
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
How very dare you imply that xenophobia had any part in the Brexit vote.

I'm getting vapours just thinking about it.
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Old 22nd October 2018, 03:29 PM   #3002
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Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
Leave HQ's assessment of the WTO option link

That's a relatively sobering article. Not least because it's coming from an organization which has been campaigning for leaving the E.U. for the last three years.

Of course, none of that will matter to the hard-core hard brexiteers, since it says things they don't want to hear.
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Old 23rd October 2018, 02:36 AM   #3003
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Economists for Free Trade publish a report showing the benefits of Brexit.

As it claims there are more people working in and for the fishing industry than in and for the car making industry I would take it with a pinch of salt.

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Our report forecasts huge economic gains in the event that Britain leaves the EU under a Super Canada or World Trade Deal. Aided by Brexit gains, it says that by 2025 there could be a dividend of £65 billion per annum for the Treasury to spend.
https://www.economistsforfreetrade.c...-20-Oct-18.pdf

Perhaps they mean ‘after Brexit, the auto industry will employ fewer people than the fishing industry’,

What is a 'World Trade Deal'?

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Old 23rd October 2018, 02:42 AM   #3004
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Economists for Free Trade publish a report showing the benefits of Brexit.

As it claims there are more people working in and for the fishing industry than in and for the car making industry I would take it with a pinch of salt.



https://www.economistsforfreetrade.c...-20-Oct-18.pdf

Perhaps they mean ‘after Brexit, the auto industry will employ fewer people than the fishing industry’,

What is a 'World Trade Deal'?
Economists for free trade is that Rees-Mogg character's group, isn't it? Don't think they employ many economists.
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Old 23rd October 2018, 02:46 AM   #3005
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Maybe they included fish and chip shops in their employee count but forgot about Sub contractors, Car transporters dealerships and car salesmen?
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Old 23rd October 2018, 02:48 AM   #3006
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Figures are about 30k fishing + processing and car manufacturing 185k with 850k in wider industry.

It also mentions in the event of 'no deal' planes and air travel will not be impacted as the “deal” only refers to trade.
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Old 23rd October 2018, 03:08 AM   #3007
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Economists for Free Trade publish a report showing the benefits of Brexit.

As it claims there are more people working in and for the fishing industry than in and for the car making industry I would take it with a pinch of salt.



https://www.economistsforfreetrade.c...-20-Oct-18.pdf

Perhaps they mean ‘after Brexit, the auto industry will employ fewer people than the fishing industry’,

What is a 'World Trade Deal'?
I assume they mean by 'World Trade Deal' compliance with the minimum WTO criteria.
Anyway it's more of Minford's ramblings.

ETA: Also how can anyone with a pretence to a functional brain conflate "Super Canada" with WTO?
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Old 23rd October 2018, 03:11 AM   #3008
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Economists for Free Trade publish a report showing the benefits of Brexit.
They have one economist.
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What is a 'World Trade Deal'?
https://twitter.com/StevePeers/statu...73527791509504

Originally Posted by Steve Peers
There's no such thing as a "World Trade Deal". You're using the phrase to describe the *absence* of a free trade agreement. This is profoundly misleading and unprofessional.
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Old 23rd October 2018, 03:16 AM   #3009
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Economists for free trade is that Rees-Mogg character's group, isn't it? Don't think they employ many economists.
Just one, Patrick Minford, an old eurosceptic Thatcherite and part of the Liverpool Model group. A lone crank basically.
He was the "brains" behind last years study on how wonderful Brexit would be, the one that was debunked as "doubly misleading". Alan Winters described it as "just plain wrong,"
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Old 23rd October 2018, 03:44 AM   #3010
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No I'm sure there's more than one of them. Gerard Lyons, B. Johnson's old economic advisory, used to be one of them so there should be at least two, unless he's left them. And I think there may be a couple more.
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No I'm sure there's more than one of them. Gerard Lyons, B. Johnson's old economic advisory, used to be one of them so there should be at least two, unless he's left them. And I think there may be a couple more.
You seem to be right. I was going from memory of their public launch which had 2 presiding, one of whom started proceedings by announcing he was "not an economist". Hilarity ensued.
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Our report forecasts huge economic gains in the event that Britain leaves the EU under Our report forecasts huge economic gains in the event that Britain leaves the EU under a Super Canada or World Trade Deal. Aided by Brexit gains, it says that by 2025 there could be a dividend of £65 billion per annum for the Treasury to spend.. Aided by Brexit gains, it says that by 2025 there could be a dividend of £65 billion per annum for the Treasury to spend.
Everything is in the 3 words I have put in bold.

Whatever a "Super Canada or World Trade Deal" might mean what are the chances one of these deals could be concluded with anyone before 2025 or even 2022.

When did the Foreign Office negotiate a trade deal for the last time? 40 years? The first obstacle they will meet on their way is their own lack of experience in that field.
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My report forecasts that everyone will get a pony in the event that Britain leaves the EU under under a Super Canada or World Trade Deal.

Mine at least explains why we will be awash with pony excrement by the year 2025.
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Old 23rd October 2018, 04:36 AM   #3014
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You seem to be right. I was going from memory of their public launch which had 2 presiding, one of whom started proceedings by announcing he was "not an economist". Hilarity ensued.
Well there's still not many of them and their economics is ropey. Although at least at one point they were fairly honest that their policies would lead to the complete deindustrialisation of the UK. Not sure if they're still pointing that out as I haven't bothered reading any of their stuff since the referendum
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My report forecasts that everyone will get a pony ...
And there won't be any regulation preventing it from being labelled "beef".
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Old 23rd October 2018, 05:26 AM   #3016
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Werd there no concrete plans before the leave/stay vote?
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Werd there no concrete plans before the leave/stay vote?
Not for leaving, no.
Which is why we are where we are.
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Not for leaving, no.
Which is why we are where we are.
Plans and goals are for Remoaners!
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Leave campaigner James Dyson says Brexit is fine for car manufacturers, and plans to make his own electric cars in Wiltshire.

Then he changes his mind, and builds it in Singapore.
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My report forecasts that everyone will get a pony in the event that Britain leaves the EU ...
Meh. Make it 'alf a monkey and I'll think about it.
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Old 23rd October 2018, 08:49 AM   #3024
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Originally Posted by Ian Osborne View Post

Last time I checked, Singapore isn't in the EU. So this hardly seems Brexit related.
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Last time I checked, Singapore isn't in the EU. So this hardly seems Brexit related.
So why did he change his mind?
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Last time I checked, Singapore isn't in the EU. So this hardly seems Brexit related.
Perhaps that is exactly the point. He finally had time to think about it and realized that Brexit was not good for a British owned car manufacturing plant in either the UK or in the EU. That seems to make sense.
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So why did he change his mind?
I don't think he did. Hullavington was the R&D centre, he's more interested in China/Japan than the UK as they buy into his ******** marketing.
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Most Dyson products seem ludicrously overpriced to me. I suppose he must think that he can sell such overpriced 'designer label' stuff better in Asia, and it's probably also closer to where he will source a lot of the parts to build the car.

That's if it ever actually happens - I don't know how realistic his production targets and dates are.
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That's a relatively sobering article. Not least because it's coming from an organization which has been campaigning for leaving the E.U. for the last three years.

Of course, none of that will matter to the hard-core hard brexiteers, since it says things they don't want to hear.
Some dedicated, long-term brexiteers favored the Norway option but it's in the nature of revolutions that the radicals win out.

I think the UK is simply on a kind of emotional auto-pilot. Bashing the EU has worked for selling papers and getting votes. Lots of people like to hear it. Of course, that wouldn't change with the Brexit vote.
So the EU still gets bashed with made-up non-sense. There is no rational thought behind the course that the UK is taking.
I wonder, once Brexit has hit the wall, will the adults be put in charge or will they simply reset the auto-pilot.
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I suppose he must think that he can sell such overpriced 'designer label' stuff better in Asia, and it's probably also closer to where he will source a lot of the parts to build the car.
The importance of supply chains and being close to one's markets... One hears a lot about that lately.
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Last time I checked, Singapore isn't in the EU. So this hardly seems Brexit related.
Singapore just signed a trade deal with the EU.
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Taking control of your borders doesn't mean the jobs can't leave.

Even after you figure out the Ireland issue, I mean. :9
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Singapore just signed a trade deal with the EU.
Which includes "Motor Vehicles and Parts thereof" (Annex 2-B) .
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Which includes "Motor Vehicles and Parts thereof" (Annex 2-B) .
That will be a relief for Dyson.
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Shows how vital such trade deals are that they've only just signed the deal. I wonder how the EU managed to trade with Singapore before?

I flew out to Singapore myself a couple of times about fifteen years ago to assist with the installation of some measuring equipment at some pharmaceutical factories. I had no idea whether or not the EU had a trade deal in place, and it didn't seem to matter.
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Last time I checked, Singapore isn't in the EU. So this hardly seems Brexit related.
Changing from planning to manufacture in the UK to Singapore by a major Leave supporter isn't relevant?
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I don't think he did. Hullavington was the R&D centre, he's more interested in China/Japan than the UK as they buy into his ******** marketing.
UKians won't able to afford them soon. More will there be functional roads or electricity supplies.
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That will be a relief for Dyson.
It will mean cars go to the EU free of taxes. After a hard brexit there will be a 20% tariff on cars to the UK. He realises that the EU is far more important than the UK and the priority is the bigger market.
Watch other businesses follow suit.

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UKians won't able to afford them soon. More will there be functional roads or electricity supplies.
Nonsense - typical remoaner scare story - Peugeot has already announced the production of their 100% renewable energy model they'll be producing in the UK post Brexit.


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