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Old 19th December 2015, 07:07 PM   #41
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Ever heard of Agrabah? If you ever watched the Disney animated film Aladdin you have. That was where it was set. So, yes, it is a fictional city in an animated film.

So maybe it is understandable that 87% of Republican voters didn't know what or where the city was. What is disturbing is that 30% of them said they supported bombing it anyways! And nearly half of Trump supporters were definitely in favor of throwing down munitions on flying carpets.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...ntains-bi.html
This is a great post.

Now I am waiting for Public Policy Polling to provide the context for which the "Alladdin Question" was asked - the question that is purported to elicit insane answers - or I will forever mentally write them off as a reliable source and cognitively chuck them into the "Faux News Bin". As a result, I will be more quickly to filter the news for reliable information.

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Old 19th December 2015, 07:43 PM   #42
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Ever heard of Agrabah? If you ever watched the Disney animated film Aladdin you have. That was where it was set. So, yes, it is a fictional city in an animated film.

So maybe it is understandable that 87% of Republican voters didn't know what or where the city was. What is disturbing is that 30% of them said they supported bombing it anyways! And nearly half of Trump supporters were definitely in favor of throwing down munitions on flying carpets.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...ntains-bi.html

The evil that city does is indescribable so we need to bomb it out of non existence.
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Old 19th December 2015, 07:47 PM   #43
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To see how stupid and out of touch supposed voters are.
The scary thing is that a large percentage of the populace thinks that bombing is the solution for any problem.
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Old 19th December 2015, 07:51 PM   #44
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The scary thing is that a large percentage of the populace thinks that bombing is the solution for any problem.
Well...for a lot of problem, yes. It is scary considering that no one has asked themselves how effective this bombing has been.
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Old 20th December 2015, 07:39 PM   #45
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it's a whole new world of socio-political instability.
I see what you did there.
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Correction: July 15, 1993, Thursday Yesterday's editorial on anti-Arab prejudice contained the assertion that the ayatollahs of Iran don't represent all Arabs, or all Muslims. The people of Iran are predominantly Muslim but are not Arabs.

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I figure this is less about knowing the name of the city is Raqqa, and more about thinking Isis needs bombing in whatever city they call home. Count me among the 30% (or 20% if you prefer) who think bombing "Agrabah" is a good idea.
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We really should bomb fictional cities.

That's where the WMDs are.
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And lefties will mostly say yes when asked "Do you support Hillary Clinton's plan to ___" no matter what you fill in the blank with.
Nonsense. Getting Democrats to have a majority concensus on many issues is like herding cats. This is the reason Republicans have an easier time getting their policies done, because Republicans follow their leaders. Democrats, not so much.
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I figure this is less about knowing the name of the city is Raqqa, and more about thinking Isis needs bombing in whatever city they call home. Count me among the 30% (or 20% if you prefer) who think bombing "Agrabah" is a good idea.


Yeah, pretty much what these people are saying is that they approve of bombing ISIS' base of operations. The poll is designed to penalize people for not knowing the actual name of the city, and for not having seen or not remembering a Disney movie.
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Yeah, pretty much what these people are saying is that they approve of bombing ISIS' base of operations. The poll is designed to penalize people for not knowing the actual name of the city, and for not having seen or not remembering a Disney movie.
That's certainly a glass half full interpretation.

It's sad that anyone is perfectly fine with human beings desire to bomb a city even though they have no clue who lives there.

The poll is designed to highlight ********, and it did. As a bonus, it's also highlighting apologists for ignorance. Ignorance which supports their political bias.
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Yeah, pretty much what these people are saying is that they approve of bombing ISIS' base of operations. The poll is designed to penalize people for not knowing the actual name of the city, and for not having seen or not remembering a Disney movie.

Yes, well I guess asking the question "where is Agrabah?" obviously did not cross any of their minds. Its the first question I would ask.

Perhaps its a cultural thing?
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Yes, well I guess asking the question "where is Agrabah?" obviously did not cross any of their minds. Its the first question I would ask.

Perhaps its a cultural thing?
Maybe people recognised the name but couldn't quite place where they heard it. Then again a lot of people don't like to look ignorant - look at Donald Trump and the whole Nuclear Triad thing....

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politi...debate-sot.cnn

....despite claiming to be "best on the military".
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Then there's the problem that the poll doesn't tell us how many people had no problem with "Agrabah", but objected to the "bomb" part of the question.

Which is related to the problem that "bomb" is far too broad a term to help much anyway. Obviously some people assume it means "indiscriminate area bombing of city centers with large civilian population" and are already objecting before the name of the city even comes up.
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Ever heard of Agrabah? If you ever watched the Disney animated film Aladdin you have. That was where it was set. So, yes, it is a fictional city in an animated film.

So maybe it is understandable that 87% of Republican voters didn't know what or where the city was. What is disturbing is that 30% of them said they supported bombing it anyways! And nearly half of Trump supporters were definitely in favor of throwing down munitions on flying carpets.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...ntains-bi.html

They probably stereotypically assumed it was a Muslim dictatorship.

Oh wait. It was.

Evil Republicans. No, wait. Evil left-wing Disney. No, wait. Who do I hate here as part of my meme instruction set?
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The scary thing is that a large percentage of the populace thinks that bombing is the solution for any problem.
There are some where it is - but you need the proper size bomb!!!!!
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Didn't they poll like 500 people? How is that a proper representation?
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I **** with every poll I have ever taken. You want me to be serious? Pay me!
I do exactly the same. Either I refuse to answer or I say all random things. When it's a robotic poll via phone and they call me twice or three times, I assume a different social identity and reply what is not expected people with such identity would answer.
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Didn't they poll like 500 people? How is that a proper representation?
Margin of error is roughly 1/SQRT(number of samples) for valid polls.
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Ever heard of Agrabah? If you ever watched the Disney animated film Aladdin you have. That was where it was set. So, yes, it is a fictional city in an animated film.

So maybe it is understandable that 87% of Republican voters didn't know what or where the city was. What is disturbing is that 30% of them said they supported bombing it anyways! And nearly half of Trump supporters were definitely in favor of throwing down munitions on flying carpets.


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...ntains-bi.html
44 Percent Of Democrats Support Taking Refugees From Agrabah, a fictional country in the Disney film Aladdin.

http://www.wparesearch.com/issues/44...ional-country/

Perhaps just as startling - 27% opposed it haha.
66% of democrats between the ages of 18 and 34 support it.
22% oppose.

That's 88%
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I'll take refugees from Narnia.
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The real question is whether you'd take refugees from Calormen.

In Narnia, liberals deny that Calormene hostility has anything to do with worshiping Tash (or, sometimes, that Calormen is even an enemy at all).

ETA: funny coincidence now that Narnia has been brought up: "Asad" is Arabic for "lion"!

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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
44 Percent Of Democrats Support Taking Refugees From Agrabah, a fictional country in the Disney film Aladdin.

http://www.wparesearch.com/issues/44...ional-country/

Perhaps just as startling - 27% opposed it haha.
66% of democrats between the ages of 18 and 34 support it.
22% oppose.

That's 88%
That's 88% of what? 18 to 34 year old Democrats who have an opinion? What percent of young (or old) Republicans in either poll (bomb or take in refugees) indicated, "No such country in real life"? Was there even an option to choose, "No such country in real life"?

If you are only trying to prove that most people in the USA do not know much about geography, I did not need convincing. There have been many infamous polls that have demonstrated that. If you want to convince me that many people in the USA are stupid, then I would say that Trump's polling numbers have already convinced me of that too.

[edited] Just looked up the details on both the bombing and the refugee polls- as I suspected the option, "No such country" was not available in either to the people questioned. The only choice between In Favor or Opposed was "indifferent" or "Not sure." This clearly encourages/forces people to make the assumption that the question relates to a real country, and that even the people certain that it was a fictional country would probably not choose "Indifferent" or "Not Sure." Those are not really the correct, knowledgeable response- the correct response is, "You are pulling my leg, right?"

However the more I think of the characters in the Disney film the more I would vote to admit them to our country if they needed to immigrate here. I only wish we could get Robin Williams back...

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That's 88% of what? 18 to 34 year old Democrats who have an opinion? What percent of young (or old) Republicans in either poll (bomb or take in refugees) indicated, "No such country in real life"? Was there even an option to choose, "No such country in real life"?

If you are only trying to prove that most people in the USA do not know much about geography, I did not need convincing.
As my post said, this is to counter the claim in the OP that Republicans (which I am not) are stupid for not knowing that no such country exists.

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So maybe it is understandable that 87% of Republican voters didn't know what or where the city was.
That is all.

I think a "no such country exists" option would be a dead giveaway. My ultimate point is that the OP is a fail.
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As my post said, this is to counter the claim in the OP that Republicans (which I am not) are stupid for not knowing that no such country exists.



That is all.

I think a "no such country exists" option would be a dead giveaway. My ultimate point is that the OP is a fail.
Go back and reread the OP again. You clearly weren't paying attention the first time.
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Go back and reread the OP again. You clearly weren't paying attention the first time.
I agree. As I pointed out here more than once, as I see it the point was never that the Republicans are stupid because they don't know that such a country exists, but the point is that so many (30%, more among Trump supporters) are willing to bomb it without any possible reason other than its name sounding islamic. And no the 19% of Democrats who also wanted to bomb did not exactly cover themselves in glory either. Nonetheless I am much much more pleased by hearing of people willing to take in refugees from a country that they never heard of compared to those willing to bomb one.

By the way- is there a reason the refugee poll doesn't report the results for Republicans? I would chear if a large group of Republicans also supported taking in refugees. But I fear that we may be going too far down a them vs us path if based only on political party. Angry, irrational, stupid, simplistic, bomb-them-into-the-ground people are problems no matter their self declaration of political party. It is this belief that I find a depressing problem whoever believes it. And it is much worse if held by someone who is accepted as a political leader.

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Hey you all. Remember when this happened?


Well for the encore we now have Republicans (technically asked of the population at large but scroll down to find the party breakdown and you see that Republicans voted very differently from the other options) being asked if Arabic Numerals should be taught in school. We all know how they voted but try and pretend to be surprised. https://twitter.com/jdcivicscience/s...85936977522688
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The first one, about bombing imaginary places, was grotesque.

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This one is just sad. Do Democrats tend to be better educated than Republicans?
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I think this is just down to their tendency to not just see anything vaguely Middle Eastern as automatically evil.
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The Education Gap That Explains American Politics
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The 2018 midterm vote: Divisions by race, gender, education (Pew Research, Nov. 8, 2018)
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I'd say that the political divide is mostly determined by how comfortable someone is with complexity and uncertainty. .
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Polls are always accurate.


Hillary in a landslide!
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Polls are always accurate.


Hillary in a landslide!
By about 3 million more people polled and voted for Hillary. Those polls accurately described the public opinion. Unfortunately, the EC didn't.
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Also I'm unaware of any poll that predicted a landslide for anyone in that election.
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Hey you all. Remember when this happened?


Well for the encore we now have Republicans (technically asked of the population at large but scroll down to find the party breakdown and you see that Republicans voted very differently from the other options) being asked if Arabic Numerals should be taught in school. We all know how they voted but try and pretend to be surprised. https://twitter.com/jdcivicscience/s...85936977522688
Mere ignorance on what Arabic Numerals are. The readers thought they were even more useless than Roman Numerals, which people actually encounter. Big deal.

Those who voted for Arabic Numerals probably included a portion who also don't know what they are but value multi-culturalism. Similarly ignorant, but we can't see their ignorance on display.
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Mere ignorance on what Arabic Numerals are. The readers thought they were even more useless than Roman Numerals, which people actually encounter. Big deal.

Those who voted for Arabic Numerals probably included a portion who also don't know what they are but value multi-culturalism. Similarly ignorant, but we can't see their ignorance on display.

Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.

Much as I'd like to join the general snickering about the ignorant/xenophobic Republicans, I note that my fellow Independents didn't do significantly better in that poll.
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Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.

Much as I'd like to join the general snickering about the ignorant/xenophobic Republicans, I note that my fellow Independents didn't do significantly better in that poll.
The bombing Agrabah poll demonstrated similar ignorance. Subjects were asked about bombing a city they didn't recognize or misidentified. They assumed that the question was relevant to news of the day and had a predisposition in favor of military actions in the region and so said (presuming it was a real debate) that they were in favor of bombing the fictional city.

Glib, unthinking and ignorant, sure. Motivated by a willingness to attack Muslims because they are Muslim? Not so much. If you asked the same question, substituting Riyadh for Agrabah, you'd get the same answer. If you put in the question that Riyadh is the Saudi capital, the number in favor of bombing the city would drop considerably. (Sadly, not to zero, I'd reckon.)

These polls show geographic ignorance of Americans and their willingness to defer to the government, but not too much more.
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This 2013 Horatius comic seems appropriate:

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The bombing Agrabah poll demonstrated similar ignorance. Subjects were asked about bombing a city they didn't recognize or misidentified. They assumed that the question was relevant to news of the day and had a predisposition in favor of military actions in the region and so said (presuming it was a real debate) that they were in favor of bombing the fictional city.

Glib, unthinking and ignorant, sure. Motivated by a willingness to attack Muslims because they are Muslim? Not so much. If you asked the same question, substituting Riyadh for Agrabah, you'd get the same answer. If you put in the question that Riyadh is the Saudi capital, the number in favor of bombing the city would drop considerably. (Sadly, not to zero, I'd reckon.)

These polls show geographic ignorance of Americans and their willingness to defer to the government, but not too much more.

So not Muslims, but a region (or 'region') that they think is predominantly Muslim?
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So not Muslims, but a region (or 'region') that they think is predominantly Muslim?
Sure. And certainly some of the animosity towards regions which are predominantly Muslim is motivated by bigotry. But the fact that a bunch of morons said a fictional city should be bombed doesn't indicate that they want to bomb a Muslim city because it's a Muslim city, but because they assumed that it was a city in a region in which there is an ongoing conflict involving the US and they are in favor of aggressive means in that conflict.

Nothing I said is intended to imply that little or no bigotry was involved in the poll responses, but that one can misread the responses to exaggerate the depth of the bigotry.
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