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Old 15th May 2019, 04:51 AM   #1161
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
No, you're the liar and the ignorant Halleyscommet.

As I have shown in the verses, the Quran does not prohibit much food or gluttony. It supports eating a lot freely.

You didn't see what the verses said, and you humiliated yourself again.
Make up your mind. Is gluttony a sin or isn't it? You accused all Christians of being wrong because most Christian sects consider gluttony a sin. Now you're backpedaling.

That doesn't even touch on all the other lies you've told in the last couple of days. You made up a mish-mash of extremist evangelicals and the Quakers and then attributed it to all Christians. You'd be justifiably upset if some jackass claimed all Muslims sexually molest goats. Why is it OK for you to flat out lie about what what Christians believe?

You're bearing false witness against Christians.

This link clarifies some of your other recent lies:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1143

Now, who are the alleged Christian Missionaries on this forum?

Are you going to name names or are you going to recant the claim?
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
2:35 We said, "O Adam, reside you and your mate in the paradise, and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not approach this tree, else you will be of those who did wrong."
"Bountifully" and "excessively" are not necessarily the same thing.

You need to show a verse from the Qur'an that says that you may be a glutton (and actually uses that word).
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Old 15th May 2019, 05:09 AM   #1163
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Gluttony is a necessity to eat as an addict.
You criticized "Christians" for considering gluttony a sin yet you appear to agree that gluttony is a sin. Make up your mind.

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Make a lot of sex is different, and sex addiction is different.
So? How is that relevant to your lie that all Christians think a lot of sex within the context of marriage is sinful?

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Christianity prohibits a lot of food in the world, and in Paradise it prohibits food altogether. It prohibits sex and other blessings.
Again, you are lying. There was a point where I would have given you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were just poorly informed about actual Christian beliefs, but you've long since burned that consideration.

The reality is that different Christian sects have wildly varying beliefs about the nature of Heaven. The Bible says very little about what Heaven is supposed to be like. Most the denominations I'm familiar with just say that it's an existence beyond our current comprehension and leave it at that.

Mormons for example believe that the afterlife won't just have sex, but lots of it, including celestially born children.

Some Christian preachers describe sumptuous banquets. There's even an old joke where a woman gets to heaven and asks, "Is the fish fresh?"

The angel giving her a tour replies, "Fresh! Why, it's just been created!"

My point is that your blanket claim that all Christians prohibit food and other pleasures in paradise is flat out wrong.

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Christianity is a pagan teaching. It tries make false gods/pagans from you(humans).
Citation needed. Explain your logic. Some good arguments could be made to support your assertion. I want to know if you can make any, particularly any that don't also apply to Islam.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Christianity is a pagan teaching.
Why do you use the word "pagan" instead of "infidel"?

Doesn't "pagan" mean not Christian just like "gentile" means not Jewish?
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Old 15th May 2019, 06:03 AM   #1165
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Why do you use the word "pagan" instead of "infidel"?

Doesn't "pagan" mean not Christian just like "gentile" means not Jewish?
No, jews are not pagans. They are Monotheists.

Pagans are to attribute a partner to (God) .



Pagans think they are monotheists, but in reality they are polytheists.like Hindus, New Agers, Christians, Pantheists...

They think that the idols they worship are part or reflection of the main God.
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Old 15th May 2019, 06:06 AM   #1166
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Christians who do not worship trinity, who do not confess to priests, of course, are excluded. They are not pagan.

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Christians aren't pagans, and being pagan isn't a bad thing or an insult.

It's like calling Muslims vegetarians, because they race pigeons.
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Old 15th May 2019, 06:50 AM   #1168
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Christians who do not worship trinity, who do not confess to priests, of course, are excluded. They are not pagan.
Are you aware that confessing to priests is a doctrine not shared by the vast majority of protestant denominations?

Are you saying that you believe the Christian concept of the Trinity constitutes polytheism?

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Old 15th May 2019, 07:02 AM   #1169
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
It supports eating a lot freely.
Gluttony is eating to excess. It is not the same as bounty or plenty. As others have said, you're trying to stretch the meanings of words to cover your claims. Calling people liars because they understand words better than you is rather childish.
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Old 15th May 2019, 07:05 AM   #1170
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Pagans are to attribute a partner to (God).
No, that's not what the rest of the world means by "pagan." Words have meanings. Learn them.
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Old 15th May 2019, 07:06 AM   #1171
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
...who do not confess to priests, of course, are excluded. They are not pagan.
How does confession to a priest make one a pagan?
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
No, jews are not pagans. They are Monotheists.

Pagans are to attribute a partner to (God) .



Pagans think they are monotheists, but in reality they are polytheists.like Hindus, New Agers, Christians, Pantheists...

They think that the idols they worship are part or reflection of the main God.
Where did you get that definition of "pagan" from? The Qur'an or an external source?
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Where did you get that definition of "pagan" from? The Qur'an or an external source?
I'm pretty sure he's using it as a shorthand for "People I want to insult."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism
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Some Christians are aware that the trinity is pagan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThWd1HgnTY
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Some Christians are aware that the trinity is pagan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThWd1HgnTY
That guy is not in any way a typical Christian. Shall we judge all of Islam by the few cranks we can dig up on YouTube?

Again, "pagan" means something specific. You just make yourself a laughingstock when you keep ignoring it.
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Some Christians are aware that the trinity is pagan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThWd1HgnTY
And:



https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/ar...-torrence-2002
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Some Christians are aware that the trinity is pagan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThWd1HgnTY
Ah! So not the Qur'an but YouTube.
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Ah! So not the Qur'an but YouTube.
Quran...
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Quran...
No, you're pulling up a bunch of YouTube cranks, pretending they represent Christianity, and further pretending you're getting your information from the Qur'an. Do you think you're fooling anyone?
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Unitarians are far from typical Christian. Further, your article describes how the Christian Trinity is not Paganism. It's drawing a contrast. You need to actually read and understand your links instead of just frantically Googling for keywords.
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Unitarians are far from typical Christian. Further, your article describes how the Christian Trinity is not Paganism. It's drawing a contrast. You need to actually read and understand your links instead of just frantically Googling for keywords.
I find it amusing that Emre_1974tr is pointing to the Unitarians as an example of a denomination he considers non-pagan. It's the denomination most likely to have overlap with Pagan groups.

https://www.uua.org/beliefs/what-we-.../beliefs/pagan

As a point of reference, I like Unitarians. One Unitarian I know described her religion as "less a church and more an excuse for nice people to get together for pot luck dinners." They manage all of the social benefits of a church without the doom and gloom control problems that permeate many denominations.
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Christians who do not worship trinity, who do not confess to priests, of course, are excluded. They are not pagan.
Who are the forum members you allege are Christian Missionaries?

Are you going to name names or are you going to recant the claim?
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Examples:

Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us.

Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.


1- God is not tired.

2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell.

The Koran, Bible and Torah are all collections of belief and myth none of which are real in any way. Not unlike Aesop's Fables - it /they exist but they are in no way real, just myths and legends.
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The Noah Flood was regional.

It was only for the people of Noah.

Probably Noah and the community lived on an island.

And only the people of Noah were destroyed.

Allah punishes badmen only.

Only the Qur'an tells the truth.

The Qur'an clearly states that the Flood was regional.
The last two are the silliest and are clearly wrong. Seriously, who was there to pass on the info that that claim was based on.
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Who are the forum members you allege are Christian Missionaries?

Are you going to name names or are you going to recant the claim?
I am quite sure he/she will not - another TRUE BELIEVER case.
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Quran...
I'm pretty sure that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThWd1HgnTY is a link to YouTube and not to the Qur'an.
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I am quite sure he/she will not - another TRUE BELIEVER case.

I agree but I’m going to keep bringing it up. With all the lies and hyperbole they’ve posted I want to pick something to hold their feet to the fire over. This is a cut and dry one devoid of theological wiggle room. Either that had specific people in mind when they made the claim or they were lying through their teeth not expecting to be called on it.
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Plenty of food is mean eat a lot.
No, it isn't. You can have plenty of food and eat sufficient. You just WANT it to mean that because it suits your story.

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Gluttony is a necessity to eat as an addict.

Make a lot of sex is different, and sex addiction is different.

Quran says in Paradise there will be plenty of gifts too. But without the addict, it will be eaten freely, but plenty. When you're want...
PLEASE get someone who can write English to help you write properly. This is unintelligible.

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Christianity prohibits a lot of food in the world, and in Paradise it prohibits food altogether. It prohibits sex and other blessings.
What?? Christians are told to be fruitful and multiply. That means produce much food and have LOTS of sex to make MANY babies. Honestly, what are you reading?

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The Islamic religion does the opposite. He says the blessings are meant for us.
And the christian bible does not? You must be reading a different book.

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Christianity is a pagan teaching. It tries make false gods/pagans from you(humans).

Islam is the opposite of this.
If you know your history, Christianity is 600 years OLDER than Islam. It came first, and it was opposed to pagans. So whatever Islam is, you are wrong about Christianity.
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This is unintelligible.
And wrong so far as it is intelligible. Gluttony is not limited to eating disorders. It is voluntarily overeating. It's the voluntary nature of it that makes it a sin.
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No, you're the liar and the ignorant Halleyscommet.

As I have shown in the verses, the Quran does not prohibit much food or gluttony. It supports eating a lot freely.

You didn't see what the verses said, and you humiliated yourself again.
No you have shown no such thing at all.

But one thing is correct someone in this thread has humiliated themselves.
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Let me see ... Emre_1974tr is claiming that there are differences in how "Christianity" and his Islam treats certain subjects like gluttony, therefore his Islam is right.

Well, who would have thought so!
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Yes, Christians(Trinity) are pagans.

About the food...

Allah wants us to eat a lot.

It's not just for your stomach to feed, He wants pleasure and happiness.

He says there's no hunger in Paradise. But he says we're going to eat plenty. Even more than in the world. For reward and pleasure.

I mean, eating a lot not means being full.

Gluttony is addiction. Disease. But it's not a sin either.

In the same way, having a lot of sex is different, sex addiction is another one. But neither is a sin.

No hunger in Paradise, no breeding. But there's food and sex.

Maybe you eat a lot of food as a gourmet, or as a glutton. None of it is a sin.

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Yes, Christians(Trinity) are pagans.
Not all Christians believe in the Trinity. In fact most don't. That means they aren't pagans.

Also, people who don't believe in the one god are called heretics or blasphemers, not pagans. You need to do better research. In fact, it would be a good idea to actually START doing research first before you say or write anything more.

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About the food...

Allah wants us to eat a lot.

It's not just for your stomach to feed, He wants pleasure and happiness.

He says there's no hunger in Paradise. But he says we're going to eat plenty. Even more than in the world. For reward and pleasure.

I mean, eating a lot not means being full.

Gluttony is addiction. Disease. But it's not a sin either.

In the same way, having a lot of sex is different, sex addiction is another one. But neither is a sin.

No hunger in Paradise, no breeding. But there's food and sex.

Maybe you eat a lot of food as a gourmet, or as a glutton. None of it is a sin.
Seriously, you have problems with comprehension.

To "eat plentifully" does NOT mean being a glutton. Imagine you have a giant plate of food and you are very hungry. If you eat enough to feel good and not be hungry then that is "eating plentifully". If you eat the whole plate until you are bursting then that is "gluttony".

By the way, "sin" is a make-believe concept. It's a very silly idea. It is just a mechanism for making you afraid of people who call it a sin. It makes you obedient to other people who are manipulating your thoughts.
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Allah wants us to eat a lot.
So over eating is ok.

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I mean, eating a lot not means being full.
So over eating is not ok.

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Gluttony is addiction. Disease.
Ok, let's go with that definition.

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But it's not a sin either.
So constantly over eating is ok.
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Old 16th May 2019, 05:03 AM   #1195
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Yes, Christians(Trinity) are pagans.

About the food...

Allah wants us to eat a lot.

It's not just for your stomach to feed, He wants pleasure and happiness.

He says there's no hunger in Paradise. But he says we're going to eat plenty. Even more than in the world. For reward and pleasure.

I mean, eating a lot not means being full.

Gluttony is addiction. Disease. But it's not a sin either.

In the same way, having a lot of sex is different, sex addiction is another one. But neither is a sin.

No hunger in Paradise, no breeding. But there's food and sex.

Maybe you eat a lot of food as a gourmet, or as a glutton. None of it is a sin.
Good Grief. You're so wishy-washy on the concept of gluttony we could change your forum name to Charlie Brown.

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Who are the forum members you allege are Christian Missionaries?

Are you going to name names or are you going to recant the claim?
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Yes, Christians(Trinity) are pagans.

About the food...

Allah wants us to eat a lot.

It's not just for your stomach to feed, He wants pleasure and happiness.

He says there's no hunger in Paradise. But he says we're going to eat plenty. Even more than in the world. For reward and pleasure.

I mean, eating a lot not means being full.

Gluttony is addiction. Disease. But it's not a sin either.

In the same way, having a lot of sex is different, sex addiction is another one. But neither is a sin.

No hunger in Paradise, no breeding. But there's food and sex.

Maybe you eat a lot of food as a gourmet, or as a glutton. None of it is a sin.
And:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TQ03KqxD2I
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Old 16th May 2019, 05:47 AM   #1197
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The video consists largely of criticism of the Roman Catholic Church's historical acts. Lumping all Christians in with Medieval Roman Catholics is, to be kind, about as absurd as lumping all Muslims in with the Taliban.

Also, no Christians "worship the murder weapon." The cross is a religious symbol, but not itself worshiped. It's a bit like claiming Muslims worship the Star and Crescent.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Yes, Christians(Trinity) are pagans.
No, they aren't. Your own source from the Unitarians explains why, if you actually had been able to understand it. You have zero correct understanding of comparative religion.

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Gluttony is addiction. Disease. But it's not a sin either.
No. In English we have a lot of words -- mostly medical terms -- that refer to eating disorders. Gluttony specifically refers to elective overeating for pleasure, exactly the thing you say the Qur'an encourages. There is nothing about "disease" or addiction denoted by the word "glutton." You really need to grasp the all-important point that most of your critics are native English speakers and know what the words mean, while you're clearly struggling just to be minimally competent in writing it. Maybe you shouldn't arrogantly try to pawn off your pidgin understanding. Maybe you shouldn't frantically try to redefine words to make it seem like your discourse is rational. It simply isn't.

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Maybe you eat a lot of food as a gourmet...
You obviously don't know much about gourmet cooking either. Especially about portion sizes.

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The cross is a religious symbol, but not itself worshiped.
And not all Christians adopt the cross as a symbol of their faith, either.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Gluttony is addiction. Disease. But it's not a sin either.
Clearly your Turkish <-> English dictionary is failing you spectacularly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluttony

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Gluttony (Latin: gula, derived from the Latin gluttire meaning "to gulp down or swallow") means over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or wealth items, particularly as status symbols.

In Christianity, it is considered a sin if the excessive desire for food causes it to be withheld from the needy.[1] Some Christian denominations consider gluttony one of the seven deadly sins.
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