ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Reply
Old 6th May 2019, 07:02 PM   #1
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena
Pronouns: he/him
 
arthwollipot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Location, Location
Posts: 65,635
Testing Receptivity to Pseudo-Profound ********

Improbable Research (the group that hosts the Ig Nobel Prizes) has released details about a new report:

Finding meaning in the clouds: Illusory pattern perception predicts receptivity to pseudo-profound ******** in Judgment and Decision Making, Vol. 14, No. 2, March 2019, pp. 109-119.

Here's the link:

https://www.improbable.com/2019/05/0...***-new-study/

But you'll have to replace the asterisks with the word that is being blanked out by the autocensor. I'm sure you can guess what that word is - it's what comes out of the back end of a bull.
__________________
Self-described nerd.

My mom told me she tries never to make fun of people for not knowing something.
- Randall Munroe
arthwollipot is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th May 2019, 08:38 PM   #2
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
 
shemp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X
Posts: 33,334
Methane? Rump roast?
__________________
"Shemp, you are the one fixed point in an ever-changing universe." - Beady
"I don't want to live in a world without shemp." - Quarky
"...just as a magnet attracts iron filings, Trump shemp attracts, and is attracted to, louts." - George Will
"The IPA craze has resulted in lots of bitter beers that taste like a nondescript piece of fruit got gang rapped (sic) by a bunch of hops in a prison shower." - Craig4

Last edited by shemp; 6th May 2019 at 08:40 PM.
shemp is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th May 2019, 09:07 PM   #3
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena
Pronouns: he/him
 
arthwollipot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Location, Location
Posts: 65,635
No, ********.
__________________
Self-described nerd.

My mom told me she tries never to make fun of people for not knowing something.
- Randall Munroe
arthwollipot is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th May 2019, 09:32 PM   #4
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
 
bruto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy
Posts: 25,258
Interesting, but I'm not entirely convinced that they have it right way around. I don't doubt that people who are receptive to pseudo-profund bovine excrement are also quite likely to see things in a random pattern, but I'm not equally convinced that seeing things is the key so much as believing they're not random. Many people see images in nonsense, and realize what they are, without being duped into thinking they're on purpose. Of course this is probably a bogus test anyway, because it's obvious there's a tiger in the picture!

It's also possible that my brain is messed up today. There's a lot of pollen in the air and it's making me sneeze.


manure cart1.jpg
__________________
I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver)

Quand il dit "cuic" le moineau croit tout dire. (When he's tweeted the sparrow thinks he's said it all. (Jules Renard)
bruto is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th May 2019, 09:39 PM   #5
dann
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 9,397
Originally Posted by bruto View Post
There's a lot of pollen in the air and it's making me sneeze.

Me too, in recent weeks, and medical science has confirmed that it's not a random pattern I'm seeing!
__________________
/dann
"Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht
"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx
dann is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 6th May 2019, 09:41 PM   #6
dann
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 9,397
Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
No, ********.

I was surprised when I discovered that one can't even link to Wikipedia's article about Penn & Teller's series ********!
'What is the name of a well-known TV documentary series with and by Penn & Teller - without the exclamation mark?'
Good that your first link works!

About thirty years ago, the host of a Danish television station was asked why they still used words and phrases in the news that many people didn't understand. He explained that they had tried 'dumbing down' the language to make it easier to understand for functional illiterates (or is it virtual illiterates?). However, they found out that people were actually more likely to put trust in them if they used words that people didn't understand.
This makes me think that there is probably also an element of authoritarian thinking involved:
'I don't really understand what they're saying, but it sounds clever so it must be true.'
__________________
/dann
"Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht
"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx

Last edited by dann; 6th May 2019 at 10:00 PM.
dann is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th May 2019, 03:32 AM   #7
P.J. Denyer
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 6,335
Originally Posted by dann View Post
functional illiterates[/i] (or is it virtual illiterates?). However, they found out that people were actually more likely to put trust in them if they used words that people didn't understand.
This makes me think that there is probably also an element of authoritarian thinking involved:
'I don't really understand what they're saying, but it sounds clever so it must be true.'
I think this is an important part of the influence of certain political figures in the UK at the moment, Johnson and Rees-Mogg spring to mind. People don't tend to look at their actual lack of achievement/catalogue of lies and failures, and instead are impressed by their classical references and pretentious language. That fact that a hallmark of intelligence and clear think is effective communication tends to get lost...
__________________
"I know my brain cannot tell me what to think." - Scorpion

"Nebulous means Nebulous" - Adam Hills
P.J. Denyer is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th May 2019, 02:16 PM   #8
Apathia
Philosopher
 
Apathia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 5,527
Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Interesting, but I'm not entirely convinced that they have it right way around. I don't doubt that people who are receptive to pseudo-profund bovine excrement are also quite likely to see things in a random pattern, but I'm not equally convinced that seeing things is the key so much as believing they're not random. Many people see images in nonsense, and realize what they are, without being duped into thinking they're on purpose. Of course this is probably a bogus test anyway, because it's obvious there's a tiger in the picture!

It's also possible that my brain is messed up today. There's a lot of pollen in the air and it's making me sneeze.


Attachment 40073
I see Jar Jar Binks!
__________________
"At the Supreme Court level where we work, 90 percent of any decision is emotional. The rational part of us supplies the reasons for supporting our predilections."
Justice William O. Douglas

"Humans aren't rational creatures but rationalizing creatures."
Author Unknown
Apathia is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 14th May 2019, 05:17 PM   #9
cosmicaug
Graduate Poster
 
cosmicaug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,024
From the article:
Quote:
BONUS for PPBS researchers : There are (at least) two online facilities which can generate PPBS for your experiments. See : wisdomofchopra.com and sebpearce.com
I would add wisdomofpeterson.com/ to those two.
__________________
--
August Pamplona
cosmicaug is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 14th May 2019, 10:24 PM   #10
Orphia Nay
Penguilicious Spodmaster.
Tagger
 
Orphia Nay's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables).
Posts: 37,262
Orphia Nay has a birthday
Isn't the whole study pseudo-profound BS itself?

Not sure if self-referential "irony" or if it's seriously taking itself seriously.

Sure uses way too many words to tell us what we all know: People are always "seeing things".

__________________
"We stigmatize and send to the margins
people who trigger in us the feelings we want to avoid"
- Melinda Gates, "The Moment of Lift".

Last edited by Orphia Nay; 14th May 2019 at 10:25 PM.
Orphia Nay is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 14th May 2019, 11:31 PM   #11
DevilsAdvocate
Philosopher
 
DevilsAdvocate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,341
Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Isn't the whole study pseudo-profound BS itself?
I considered that, but I don't think that is the case. However, the study seems to have limited value. It basically says that people who find patterns in a random series also find meaning in random words. I think that would be expected.

Note that the type of BS they are talking about is not the type that you get from the shady used car salesman who will say anything to sell you a car or even many cases of the woo-woo peddler explaining how some paranormal thing works.

The type of BS studied is meaningless words that sound like they might mean...something. It is not the type of BS where somebody is trying to convince somebody of something in particular, but rather only to convince somebody that the words have some (unspecific) profound meaning.
__________________
"You really don't command the enterprise." - Leonard Cohen
DevilsAdvocate is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 15th May 2019, 08:29 AM   #12
cosmicaug
Graduate Poster
 
cosmicaug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,024
Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate View Post
The type of BS studied is meaningless words that sound like they might mean...something. It is not the type of BS where somebody is trying to convince somebody of something in particular, but rather only to convince somebody that the words have some (unspecific) profound meaning.
The term Daniel Dennett tried to coin for this was "deepity", if I am not mistaken.
__________________
--
August Pamplona
cosmicaug is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 15th May 2019, 08:32 AM   #13
Wudang
BOFH
 
Wudang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Posts: 12,346
OP's link via bitly link
__________________
"Your deepest pools, like your deepest politicians and philosophers, often turn out more shallow than expected." Walter Scott.
Wudang is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 15th May 2019, 09:14 AM   #14
Jack by the hedge
Safely Ignored
 
Jack by the hedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 9,997
Originally Posted by Apathia View Post
I see Jar Jar Binks!
I saw a photo of a car's engine bay on Facebook today and it asked me to tag it with a name. It drew a helpful square around what it had decided was a face, which seemed to have two ports in a manifold gasket for eyes.
Jack by the hedge is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th May 2019, 01:54 AM   #15
Wudang
BOFH
 
Wudang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire
Posts: 12,346
Anecdote: A friend of mine has a degree in semiotics. I sent him a link to web page with a dada generator building postmodernist articles from scratch. He was rather impressed, said the page had a couple of possible PhD papers in it but why did I send him the link. I told him to refresh the page and told him how the page worked. He was a web designer so got it. He was rather embarrassed.


I think this might be it : http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/
__________________
"Your deepest pools, like your deepest politicians and philosophers, often turn out more shallow than expected." Walter Scott.
Wudang is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 20th May 2019, 05:42 PM   #16
bruto
Penultimate Amazing
 
bruto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy
Posts: 25,258
Originally Posted by Wudang View Post
Anecdote: A friend of mine has a degree in semiotics. I sent him a link to web page with a dada generator building postmodernist articles from scratch. He was rather impressed, said the page had a couple of possible PhD papers in it but why did I send him the link. I told him to refresh the page and told him how the page worked. He was a web designer so got it. He was rather embarrassed.


I think this might be it : http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/
That's good fun. I like the time cube generator too.
__________________
I love this world, but not for its answers. (Mary Oliver)

Quand il dit "cuic" le moineau croit tout dire. (When he's tweeted the sparrow thinks he's said it all. (Jules Renard)
bruto is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 21st May 2019, 12:37 AM   #17
Ladewig
I lost an avatar bet.
 
Ladewig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 27,034
We canít say ******** and yet members are allowed to use language like this:

Originally Posted by Apathia View Post
I see Jar Jar Binks!
__________________
I lost an avatar bet to Doghouse Reilly.
Ladewig is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 15th August 2019, 05:30 AM   #18
Steve001
Graduate Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,615
******* Receptivity it's a real term

I was watching this video titled: Why Do Flat Earth Believers Still Exist?

https://youtu.be/mYB1JP-gfLE
and while watching it I learned a new real terminology called "****** receptivity". So I got curious, searched and saw sites dealing with it. Here's one of them. Also learned "schizotypy" after reading the article.

Quote:
Schizotypy and ******* receptivity predict belief in conspiracy theories

New research provides evidence that belief in conspiracy theories is more likely among people with certain personality traits and cognitive styles. The study appears in the Journal of Individual Differences. “I was struck by the impression that conspiracy theories have begun to take hold in the mainstream of our culture to a greater degree than in the past,” said study author Joshua Hart, an associate professor of psychology at Union College.
https://www.psypost.org/2018/09/schi...theories-52193

Last edited by Steve001; 15th August 2019 at 06:23 AM. Reason: Breach of Rule 10
Steve001 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 15th August 2019, 10:39 PM   #19
Puppycow
Penultimate Amazing
 
Puppycow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 24,654
I suggest replacing "********" with "BS", which I believe is complaint with this forum's rules and is also generally understood to be an abbreviation for the word in question.
__________________
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare
Puppycow is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 15th August 2019, 10:56 PM   #20
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena
Pronouns: he/him
 
arthwollipot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Location, Location
Posts: 65,635
There's a thread for this.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=336259
__________________
Self-described nerd.

My mom told me she tries never to make fun of people for not knowing something.
- Randall Munroe
arthwollipot is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 16th August 2019, 12:00 AM   #21
erwinl
Master Poster
 
erwinl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,477
Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
I suggest replacing "********" with "BS", which I believe is complaint with this forum's rules and is also generally understood to be an abbreviation for the word in question.
Well.

I kinda like the term '7-star receptivity'. It give it more finesse than just 'receptivity' or the simple '1-star receptivity' or even the '2-star receptivity'.

I must say, I did not follow the link in the OT.
__________________
Bow before your king
Member of the "Zombie Misheard Lyrics Support Group"
erwinl is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 16th August 2019, 04:13 PM   #22
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena
Pronouns: he/him
 
arthwollipot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Location, Location
Posts: 65,635
I do like the phrase "seven-star receptivity". I think it is quite creatively descriptive.
__________________
Self-described nerd.

My mom told me she tries never to make fun of people for not knowing something.
- Randall Munroe
arthwollipot is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:40 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.