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Old 20th September 2019, 03:12 PM   #1
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Women agree to be in commercial porn videos and are SHOCKED! at videos going online

22 women claim to have been duped by porn producers who - they say - promised the videos would never be seen online but would only be sold on DVD!

The porn producers deny this and say that the women consented to the videos being used in any way whatsoever and apparently recorded videos to that effect.

Presumably the porn producers will be able to show the contracts and videos and presumably the women involved will be able to show evidence of duplicity.

But seriously...who makes porn videos with the assumption that these are never going to go online?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e_iOSApp_Other
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Old 20th September 2019, 03:27 PM   #2
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My understanding is that many pornographers are manipulative and dishonest, and many porn actresses are vulnerable and naive.

It's like spam. The entire business model is based on finding exactly those people who lack the tools to avoid the trap, and exploiting the **** out of them.

Literally, in this case.
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Old 20th September 2019, 03:34 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
My understanding is that many pornographers are manipulative and dishonest, and many porn actresses are vulnerable and naive.

It's like spam. The entire business model is based on finding exactly those people who lack the tools to avoid the trap, and exploiting the **** out of them.

Literally, in this case.
True and I lean towards the idea that the vast majority of porn is exploitative.

That said, anyone who makes a porn video or a sex tape in someone else’s possession for that matter may as well assume this will go online at some point.
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Old 20th September 2019, 03:47 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
True and I lean towards the idea that the vast majority of porn is exploitative.

That said, anyone who makes a porn video or a sex tape in someone else’s possession for that matter may as well assume this will go online at some point.
Vulnerable and naive people tricked and exploited by most exploitive people allowed to exist in the "white market" is still sort of...not shocking, though.
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Usually the targets are young inexperienced women who often don't have the resources to fight back.

It's been a problem for a while.
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Old 20th September 2019, 04:42 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
True and I lean towards the idea that the vast majority of porn is exploitative.



That said, anyone who makes a porn video or a sex tape in someone else’s possession for that matter may as well assume this will go online at some point.
I dunno. It seems unnecessarily judgy to me. Not everyone is equipped or positioned to see these things as clearly as you do.
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Although they undoubtedly were fools in thinking the videos wouldn't go online, it won't stop the legal issues from coming back to haunt the producers.

If a person says, "I won't put this video online", but then has them read aloud a statement that the producers can do what they want, the producers have still lied. There is still a contract between the women and the producers, and it seems unlikely that the statement read by the women would invalidate the contract. I am not a lawyer, but I think the producers entered into a fraudulent negotiation. I don't know exactly whether it's criminal or civil, or what charges are appropriate, but I think the producers don't have a legal leg to stand on.

ETA: Just read the article. Fascinating stuff. The lead plaintiff gave up a legal career due to the humiliation. Only a million dollars can solve the problem.

I'm probably too much of a cynic. I think there may be con men on both sides of the lawsuit. Still, I'll be rooting for the plaintiffs, because among them are undoubtedly naïve young women, taken advantage of by liars. If the plaintiffs also include one or two people who saw an opportunity to get a nice haul by conning the con men, that's not so bad.

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Old 20th September 2019, 06:36 PM   #8
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Sorry, I'm confused. Was the contract written or verbal?
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Old 20th September 2019, 06:56 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by wasapi View Post
Sorry, I'm confused. Was the contract written or verbal?
Based on the story, there was a written contract, and a videotaped statement. Each said that the producers can do anything they want with the tapes.

I'm not a lawyer, but I'll give my take on the legal situation.

Both of those were produced after promising that the films wouldn't go online.

Here's what little I know about contracts. Legally, there's no difference between a verbal and a written contract. A contract is a contract. To have a contract, each side has to give up something and has to receive something. So, the women agreed to give up their time and their....umm....talent? privacy? Likenesses? One way or another, they had sex on tape in exchange for money, in exchange for some promises about how those tapes would be used. That was the contract.

Oh, they also said something on tape that the producers could use them in any way they wanted to use them. The producers undoubtedly think that the written and videotaped statements (I deliberately avoid the word "contract" because it's not clear that those statements constituted a contract) override the previous verbal statements. However, I don't think they do. I think it will be a trivial case to demonstrate that promises were made, and it was those promises that were the basis for the women agreeing to be in the films. It will be trivial to show that the producers were acting fraudulently the whole time.

Someone better than me (let's hope Devil's Advocate shows up) can perhaps describe the legal situation more clearly, but I think there's a legitimate contract between the women and the studio, based on promises made. However, I think the studio entered into that contract on a fraudulent basis, never intending to stick to the terms. I suspect that means that the defendants are required to adhere to the terms of the contract, but since they cannot do so, having already made public the tapes they said would not be public, they are liable for damages that resulted from violating the contract. Furthermore, they intended to break the contract from the start and made numerous misrepresentations about it, which is criminal.

I think they're in trouble.

And the cynical part of me thinks that at least one and probably more of the women investigated the situation beforehand, and knew what the studio would do. They went along in hopes of claiming to be "damaged" later, and cash in on a big lawsuit The contents of this paragraph are very speculative, but I think I'm right on the legal situation of the defendants. They're going to lose a lot of money and maybe go to jail.

I think.

But I am not a lawyer.
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Old 20th September 2019, 07:23 PM   #10
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Sorry, I'm confused. Was the contract written or verbal?
I think 'oral' is the word you are looking for.
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I think 'oral' is the word you are looking for.
That is correct.

Written contracts are also "verbal."

In this case it also conjures up another image entirely.
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Old 20th September 2019, 08:12 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
Based on the story, there was a written contract, and a videotaped statement. Each said that the producers can do anything they want with the tapes.

I'm not a lawyer, but I'll give my take on the legal situation.

Both of those were produced after promising that the films wouldn't go online.

Here's what little I know about contracts. Legally, there's no difference between a verbal and a written contract. A contract is a contract. To have a contract, each side has to give up something and has to receive something. So, the women agreed to give up their time and their....umm....talent? privacy? Likenesses? One way or another, they had sex on tape in exchange for money, in exchange for some promises about how those tapes would be used. That was the contract.

Oh, they also said something on tape that the producers could use them in any way they wanted to use them. The producers undoubtedly think that the written and videotaped statements (I deliberately avoid the word "contract" because it's not clear that those statements constituted a contract) override the previous verbal statements. However, I don't think they do. I think it will be a trivial case to demonstrate that promises were made, and it was those promises that were the basis for the women agreeing to be in the films. It will be trivial to show that the producers were acting fraudulently the whole time.

Someone better than me (let's hope Devil's Advocate shows up) can perhaps describe the legal situation more clearly, but I think there's a legitimate contract between the women and the studio, based on promises made. However, I think the studio entered into that contract on a fraudulent basis, never intending to stick to the terms. I suspect that means that the defendants are required to adhere to the terms of the contract, but since they cannot do so, having already made public the tapes they said would not be public, they are liable for damages that resulted from violating the contract. Furthermore, they intended to break the contract from the start and made numerous misrepresentations about it, which is criminal.

I think they're in trouble.

And the cynical part of me thinks that at least one and probably more of the women investigated the situation beforehand, and knew what the studio would do. They went along in hopes of claiming to be "damaged" later, and cash in on a big lawsuit The contents of this paragraph are very speculative, but I think I'm right on the legal situation of the defendants. They're going to lose a lot of money and maybe go to jail.

I think.

But I am not a lawyer.
Thanks for the explanation. However, I believe you are giving these women too much credit. They were victims, not masterminds.
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True and I lean towards the idea that the vast majority of porn is exploitative.
I tend toward that conclusion, but over the past forty years I've spent many thousands of hours feverishly researching the subject, and I'm sure I'll need to view thousands more hours before I can reach a final conclusion, if ever.
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From the linked story:
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It is alleged that “reference women” were paid by GirlsDoPorn to contact the women by phone, text and FaceTime. These women assured prospective models that they themselves had made videos with GirlsDoPorn that never went online. They promised the women they would remain anonymous.

Arriving in San Diego, the women were taken to apartments or hotel rooms where they said they were “graded” on their attractiveness. The women said that the agreed pay was then reduced based on this ranking.

Even though they were underage, they were given alcohol – enough, Jane Doe 1 said, to get her drunk.

In his opening statement, lawyer Edward Chapin told the court: “Having flown across the country, alone in a hotel room with at least two men who controlled their return flight, [the young women] felt they had no choice but to accept the lower figure.”
That's way beyond a contractual dispute. If they were too drunk to think straight, what was filmed was actual rape, and if they thought they weren't free to leave, it's kidnapping.

More details from U.S. paper:
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/...ornographers/#

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Is there even really a porno biz offline other than live these days?
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Is there even really a porno biz offline other than live these days?
unfortunately, yes - the very illegal kind.
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The named three are Michael Pratt, the chief executive of GirlsDoPorn.com; Andre Garcia, an actor; and Matthew Wolfe, a videographer. Their lawyers said they would show that the women signed contracts that said the videos they made could be “used anywhere, anyhow, for any purpose”.
If this is true I would imagine the women are a bit screwed (pardon the pun)

edit: Unless they have evidence of a verbal alternative
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Oh, they also said something on tape that the producers could use them in any way they wanted to use them. The producers undoubtedly think that the written and videotaped statements (I deliberately avoid the word "contract" because it's not clear that those statements constituted a contract) override the previous verbal statements. However, I don't think they do.
In general, a contract is bound by the "four corners" of the page. What it says it what it says, according to the ordinary meaning of the words.

A written contract overrides any previous verbal agreements. The "parol evidence rule" says that previous oral discussions cannot be used to determine the intent of a contract.

Of course, there are exceptions. One example would be if there is nominal consideration. You agree to sell me your house for $300,000, but the contract I give you says just $300. The house is obviously worth much more than $300. (Note that this only applies is there is nominal consideration. If I agreed to sell you a computer for $700 and the contract says $800, then the $800 offer stands.)

Another possible exception would be if there is ambiguity. A possible example in this case would be if the women were told that "we can do whatever we want with the videos" means that they can edit them and have complete creative control and that the statement has nothing to do with the agreement to not post the videos online. Nobody has made that claim. That's just an example.

A exception would be if the statements were fraudulently misleading. That is relevant to this case. The allegation made by the women, if true, would tick all the boxes necessary to make that exception apply.

But the those issues are only a small part of this case. The women are alleging a whole laundry list of shenanigans. This web page for the law firm representing the women and a short overview and list of allegations:

https://sanfordheisler.com/case/girl...n-com-lawsuit/

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The Plaintiffs collectively allege that the Defendants perpetrated intentional misrepresentation, fraudulent concealment, false promises, negligent misrepresentation, misappropriation of name and likeness, negligence, breach of contract, promissory estoppel, and unlawful and fraudulent business practices. Plaintiffs also allege fraudulent transfer as Defendants are believed to have transferred the videos and their funds overseas to hide assets.
We haven't seen the evidence, but the women's stories seem believable to me. Unless the defendants can show that the women are lying or completely misrepresenting what happened, I don't think the defendants have a chance.
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In general, a contract is bound by the "four corners" of the page. What it says it what it says, according to the ordinary meaning of the words.

A written contract overrides any previous verbal agreements. The "parol evidence rule" says that previous oral discussions cannot be used to determine the intent of a contract.

Of course, there are exceptions. One example would be if there is nominal consideration. You agree to sell me your house for $300,000, but the contract I give you says just $300. The house is obviously worth much more than $300. (Note that this only applies is there is nominal consideration. If I agreed to sell you a computer for $700 and the contract says $800, then the $800 offer stands.)

Another possible exception would be if there is ambiguity. A possible example in this case would be if the women were told that "we can do whatever we want with the videos" means that they can edit them and have complete creative control and that the statement has nothing to do with the agreement to not post the videos online. Nobody has made that claim. That's just an example.

A exception would be if the statements were fraudulently misleading. That is relevant to this case. The allegation made by the women, if true, would tick all the boxes necessary to make that exception apply.

But the those issues are only a small part of this case. The women are alleging a whole laundry list of shenanigans. This web page for the law firm representing the women and a short overview and list of allegations:

https://sanfordheisler.com/case/girl...n-com-lawsuit/



We haven't seen the evidence, but the women's stories seem believable to me. Unless the defendants can show that the women are lying or completely misrepresenting what happened, I don't think the defendants have a chance.
Thanks.

My complete knowledge of contracts comes from reading some internet pages, plus a couple of conversations with buddies that went to law school, so I'm not very able to explain the concepts correctly, but I did pick up a few things, such as the fact that a contract has to involve give and take on both sides. If not, it isn't a contract.

More relevant to this case, what I picked up is that you can't make an agreement and then throw it all away through trickery, even if someone signed a paper. In legal terms, this appear the "fraudulently misleading statements" exception to which you refer. These guys (allegedly) told the women a bunch of falsehoods, and went to elaborate lengths to reinforce those falsehoods, and got agreements from the girls based on those falsehoods, and now want to say that because something different was written on a piece of paper, their falsehoods are irrelevant. The problem is that the girls only signed because of the falsehoods, including the falsehoods that told them that the meaning of the words on the page was really something different than the plain language of the words on the page. Moreover, the producers knew that the girls didn't understand and had bought into those deliberate falsehoods.

What I'm fairly confident in is that when there's that much falsehood, and one party to the contract knows that there is that much falsehood, and they know that the other party has believed the falsehood and that belief is a key factor in the decision to enter the contract, then the contract is not valid.

I'm also pretty sure that those sorts of elaborate falsehoods that also involve services performed and exchange of money is fraudulent, although I don't know exactly how it would be prosecuted or how it would be treated in civil court. The one thing I'm pretty sure of is that it is some form of illegal, and they are out of luck.

They thought their magic paper would obliterate their sins, but I don't think it works that way.


Of course, the women have to present evidence that those falsehoods actually happened, but their story sure seems believable to me. We'll see if the judge thinks it's enough. (There's no jury in this trial, is there?)
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This is the kind of thing you sign contracts for. Then there should be no ambiguity about the terms and conditions of how said recordings are made and used.
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It's so weird that people still have to give up their careers because they've had sex on tape. I kind of get it with things like teaching positions, I suppose, but I think it's crazy that someone would have to give up a legal career over it. That shouldn't be the case.

I say this as a quasi non-supporter of porn. I used to like it a lot, but I lost my taste this year. Too much shady stuff like the story in the OP. I'll go to the sites, and I just see nothing but sleaze and oppression and misery. I've been ruined for it mentally. I can't consume it anymore, and I would strongly advise any acquaintance of mine who wanted to film pornos to reconsider.

If these actors were treated better (by their sketchy employers and by society in general), I think I'd go right back to enjoying it. But I don't see a change that significant happening any time soon.
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I tend toward that conclusion, but over the past forty years I've spent many thousands of hours feverishly researching the subject, and I'm sure I'll need to view thousands more hours before I can reach a final conclusion, if ever.

Shemp, you are a saint.
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It's so weird that people still have to give up their careers because they've had sex on tape. I kind of get it with things like teaching positions, I suppose, but I think it's crazy that someone would have to give up a legal career over it. That shouldn't be the case.

I say this as a quasi non-supporter of porn. I used to like it a lot, but I lost my taste this year. Too much shady stuff like the story in the OP. I'll go to the sites, and I just see nothing but sleaze and oppression and misery. I've been ruined for it mentally. I can't consume it anymore, and I would strongly advise any acquaintance of mine who wanted to film pornos to reconsider.

If these actors were treated better (by their sketchy employers and by society in general), I think I'd go right back to enjoying it. But I don't see a change that significant happening any time soon.
I've always rejected the religious-right argument that pornography is by definition exploitative of its subjects, because the argument very simply lacks merit, and because there are workers in this industry who insist they are not exploited and are satisfied with their work and conditions and pay.

But, there's too many stories like this one to ignore in favor of approaching the issue from a purely logical and abstract viewpoint, in my opinion. Conceptually, there's nothing wrong with porn; in practice, as an industry, it is incredibly crooked and shocking exploitative. I have no doubt there continue to be some porn companies "out there" that do business ethically; however I don't see how I, or rather let's say "the average consumer", is supposed to be able to discern between the good and the bad even if they want to in theory. I don't see how it's possible for me to be an ethical consumer of this industry's product either.

The somewhat cavalier attitudes of some toward the alleged exploitation that is on display both here and in other places on the web where this news story is being discussed, isn't really surprising IMO. There is an apparently quite popular mainstream porn "plot" involving women attempting to use services or interviewing for non-porn-related jobs and then being duped, pressured, or cornered into having sex if they want to proceed. It's popular enough that multiple porn companies exist whose videos solely revolve around this singular premise. The argument is that the scenario being depicted is fictional; but given allegations like the one under discussion, frankly I'm inclined to wonder. And the acceptability of this kind of fiction is in turn based on the argument that fantasy and reality are two different things, and indulgence in a fantasy is not necessarily endorsement of the situation in reality - but that admittedly feels a little like prevarication when people are then obviously indifferent to an actual allegation of that situation in reality.
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Women agree to be in commercial porn videos and are SHOCKED! at videos going online

I don’t know what to think about porn anymore. It feels like as I’ve gotten older (50 now), I have little taste for it. Recently, I saw the Netflix doc, “Hot Girls Wanted,” and what they depict there really turned me off to modern porn. The genre they do focus a bit on is “extreme porn,” where the girls are paid better than other genres. That’s because the whole idea is for the man to degrade and humiliate the woman. Slapping them, insulting them, abusively fondling them... real bad ****. The girls are understandably nervous about doing it and they are visibly shaken by the whole encounter. It’s, in my view, rather sickening. I can’t see how that’s a mere dramatic depiction of a fantasy; it strikes me as more paying women to get abused.

Having said that, the performers are adults and I don’t know how we are supposed to delineate what acts an adult can consent to and what acts adults can’t consent to in a porn context. What I do know is that everything should be clear and above board in a contract and when there is deception, the perpetrators of the deception should be tried for assault/rape or some related charge that might fit better.
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Old 21st September 2019, 12:59 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
It's so weird that people still have to give up their careers because they've had sex on tape.
I don't think they do. It might be that the situation caused her so much anxiety that she couldn't concentrate on her schoolwork.

Or, cue my cynical streak, it might be that she wanted to pursue a legal career because she saw lawyers getting rich by representing clients in multimillion dollar lawsuits, and decided that she could shortcut the process by actually being the victim instead of representing the victim. Even if that's true, it wouldn't bother me. The producers are lying scum, and deserve to lose. I have no problem if this is a sort of "sting" operation, where she realized there was an opportunity to soak these scumbags for everything they had by exaggerating the harm done.

For my part, knowledge that someone had participated in a porn video wouldn't really affect the way I viewed them. I will admit that if I knew someone personally and discovered I could see them naked and/or engaged in sex on the internet, I would probably look up the video, out of curiosity, but I can't imagine it affecting the way I worked with them or in other ways interacted with them. If I found out one of my kid's teachers had been in porn videos, I would feel sorry for her because she would be standing in front of a bunch of adolescents, all of whom would most certainly have looked up the video if they ever found out about it, but I would think of it as an interesting challenge to see if she, or he, could manage to get them back to the subject of US history. If they could do that, it wouldn't bother me what else they had done back in the day. Maybe I'm just weird that way.
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Old 21st September 2019, 01:14 PM   #26
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Some people just seem... naïve about how the Internet and people around them work. Some time ago, there was a Norwegian blogger who appeared nude on a reality TV programme, and some time thereafter wrote blog post about how she was shocked and outraged to find that the video of her nude had appeared online on porn sites. Though to be fair, I don't know if she wrote the blog post as an attempt to get attention and clicks or if she really didn't see it coming.

Then again... thinking about it, I do see the difference between "only sold on DVDs, which is a far more limited market, and thus has less chance of being widely spread online" and "sold on DVD but also directly uploaded to the web".

Also, of course, if they said one thing and did another, that is obviously exploitative and I agree the actors have every right to be upset by that.
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Old 21st September 2019, 01:20 PM   #27
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22 women claim to have been duped by porn producers who - they say - promised the videos would never be seen online but would only be sold on DVD!

The porn producers deny this and say that the women consented to the videos being used in any way whatsoever and apparently recorded videos to that effect.

Presumably the porn producers will be able to show the contracts and videos and presumably the women involved will be able to show evidence of duplicity.

But seriously...who makes porn videos with the assumption that these are never going to go online?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e_iOSApp_Other
There are so many thousands of porn films made that these women will soon be lost in the crush of nonrecognition.
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Originally Posted by Cainkane1 View Post
There are so many thousands of porn films made that these women will soon be lost in the crush of nonrecognition.
According to the story though:

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After details of the women were published on WikiPorn, with social media and in-depth personal information, a campaign of anonymous harassment began that included the films being sent to their friends and family.
That's horrible. Who does this sort of thing?

Anti-porn activists?
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
That's horrible. Who does this sort of thing?

Anti-porn activists?
I doubt it. I can't imagine members of either of the branches of anti-porn activism I'm familiar with (fundy christian and feminism) even knowing what wikiporn is.

I'd never heard of it before, either.

I'd guess people who edit and visit the site are porn enthusiasts of some sort.
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There are so many thousands of porn films made that these women will soon be lost in the crush of nonrecognition.
Not to the women's friends and family though. Nor to potential employers who might Google their namez
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I’ve been persuaded by theprestige, Bob101, Checkmite and others that the details of the story show some clear evidence of deception and almost certainly of criminal behaviour by the porn producers. Also, sorry for what came across as victim blaming/shaming. I think the large number of women involved make it likely that this was systematic deception and exploitation and there are various ways that skilled manipulators can reliably get their victims to do things they otherwise wouldn’t agree to.

And as I stated, it makes me think that much, if not most porn is exploitative, and indeed it is easy for some of us to see the obvious deceptions when we’re not the ones being duped.

Yet, I still think it works as advice that appearing in porn videos is only something you should consider if you accept it will be publicly viewable on the internet by anybody.
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According to the story though:







That's horrible. Who does this sort of thing?



Anti-porn activists?


More likely porn fans who are pissed.
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In this day and age, and with hacking so common, no one should be surprised if their "Private" videos on their computers .show up on the internet.
It really Is sort of amusing when some Celeb iw involved, since they should have the sense to know that they people are going to try their best to hack in to their computers.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I’ve been persuaded by theprestige, Bob101, Checkmite and others that the details of the story show some clear evidence of deception and almost certainly of criminal behaviour by the porn producers. Also, sorry for what came across as victim blaming/shaming. I think the large number of women involved make it likely that this was systematic deception and exploitation and there are various ways that skilled manipulators can reliably get their victims to do things they otherwise wouldn’t agree to.

And as I stated, it makes me think that much, if not most porn is exploitative, and indeed it is easy for some of us to see the obvious deceptions when we’re not the ones being duped.

Yet, I still think it works as advice that appearing in porn videos is only something you should consider if you accept it will be publicly viewable on the internet by anybody.
True that! And I would extend that advice to appearing in any video, really. Don't agree to be filmed if you wouldn't be okay with the footage being online at some point. That's just the world we live in now.

Hell, every time I'm out doing errands I wonder if those weirdos who film strangers and post the footage online for mockery are around. It made me self-conscious all the time at first, but now I'm coming out the other side. I scratch my ass, pick my wedgies, talk to myself, and do whatever else I please. If it's on Reddit, then it's on Reddit.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
In this day and age, and with hacking so common, no one should be surprised if their "Private" videos on their computers .show up on the internet.
It really Is sort of amusing when some Celeb iw involved, since they should have the sense to know that they people are going to try their best to hack in to their computers.
Jennifer Lawrence might have some thoughts on that.

Anyone else find it stunning that these women are offered $5K for 5-6 minutes of screen time? That's showing some real business savvy. I wouldn't have thought it paid nearly that well
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
According to the story though:



That's horrible. Who does this sort of thing?

Anti-porn activists?
The kind of vermin who live to destroy other people for any reason. They've never done anything worthwhile in their lives, so it makes them feel good to try to bring others down.
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Jennifer Lawrence might have some thoughts on that.

Anyone else find it stunning that these women are offered $5K for 5-6 minutes of screen time? That's showing some real business savvy. I wouldn't have thought it paid nearly that well
The story says that was the initial promise, but after the women were at the job, excuses were found to pay them less. Part of the whole sleazy criminal enterprise.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
In this day and age, and with hacking so common, no one should be surprised if their "Private" videos on their computers .show up on the internet.
It really Is sort of amusing when some Celeb iw involved, since they should have the sense to know that they people are going to try their best to hack in to their computers.
So when a bank or chain store gets its computers hacked, it's their fault, too? For that matter, when somebody's house is burglarized, it's their fault for not living in a bomb shelter, or for owning nice stuff? Posing for nude pix is probably stupid for a lot of reasons, but people do it, and they don't deserve to be robbed, even electronically.
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So when a bank or chain store gets its computers hacked, it's their fault, too? For that matter, when somebody's house is burglarized, it's their fault for not living in a bomb shelter, or for owning nice stuff? Posing for nude pix is probably stupid for a lot of reasons, but people do it, and they don't deserve to be robbed, even electronically.
That was an amazing example of the Rule of So
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There are so many thousands of porn films made that these women will soon be lost in the crush of nonrecognition.
I suggest people read the link in the OP before commenting. Then you would know the women did not have many choices. Hard to get lost in the crush of nonrecognition when everyone you know gets sent links to the porn.
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