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Old 9th August 2017, 10:34 AM   #161
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Mattis to North Korea: Stop actions that could lead to 'destruction of its people'

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By Zachary Cohen and Barbara Starr, CNN
Updated 1717 GMT (0117 HKT) August 9, 2017

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/09/po...rea/index.html
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Old 9th August 2017, 10:40 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by zorro99 View Post
Mattis to North Korea: Stop actions that could lead to 'destruction of its people'

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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/09/po...rea/index.html
Threatening the crazy guy. That's going to work.
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Old 9th August 2017, 10:48 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Stop messing up my crazy theories with your facts!!!
For what it's worth, Nagasaki was bombed on the 15th day of the 7th month in the Chinese lunar calendar, whereas today is the first day of the 7th month. You could try making hay with an exactly two week difference, I suppose.
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Old 9th August 2017, 10:49 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Threatening the crazy guy. That's going to work.
I have to disagree there. Mattis statements are pretty much in line with the way the Obama Admin talked to Korea. Totally different then Trump's rant.
And ignoring the Cracy Guy is not going to work either.
I am really annoyed on seeing a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" attitude among some Anti Trump people.
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Old 9th August 2017, 10:50 AM   #165
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Threatening the crazy guy. That's going to work.
Let the crazy get nukes.That is a brilliant idea.
Unfortunately, in the reverse order.
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
Shot from a cannon would be good. I would certainly watch the movie!!!
I'm pretty sure that Spindthrift was referring to the common practice of using anti aircraft guns for public executions.
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Old 9th August 2017, 10:56 AM   #167
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I'm pretty sure that Spindthrift was referring to the common practice of using anti aircraft guns for public executions.
I wondered whether you were making crap up, but when I typed "anti-ai", Google autocompleted "anti-aircraft executions".

I sure missed that exciting news item.
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Old 9th August 2017, 11:22 AM   #168
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I have to disagree there. Mattis statements are pretty much in line with the way the Obama Admin talked to Korea. Totally different then Trump's rant.
In line with? Where did Obama threaten annihilation of North Korea?
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And ignoring the Cracy Guy is not going to work either.
Where did anyone say that he should be ignored?
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I am really annoyed on seeing a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" attitude among some Anti Trump people.
I think you are seeing things that aren't there.
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Not so much the doing as being able to acquire the things necessary.
Or acquire the means to create them. Let's not forget they might be at the point the Great Powers were at sixty years ago.
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And as with everything else Trump, here he is predicting it all four years ago...
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
And as with everything else Trump, here he is predicting it all four years ago...
http://i.imgur.com/WVxFIvL.png
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Old 9th August 2017, 12:14 PM   #172
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Nostratrumpus.
Yeah it's eerie how almost all the false claims he tweeted 4 years ago have become reality now.

The real danger with NK this time is that in previous crises you could assume that there was only a crazy person running things in Pyongyang. Now we have two unstable, paranoid, egotists facing off and things could turn nasty very quickly.
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Yeah it's eerie how almost all the false claims he tweeted 4 years ago have become reality now.

The real danger with NK this time is that in previous crises you could assume that there was only a crazy person running things in Pyongyang. Now we have two unstable, paranoid, egotists facing off and things could turn nasty very quickly.
Why assume Kim Jong Un is crazy? He seems to be a fairly regular dictator. Is there any evidence that he actually believes his Propaganda or is that just Trump?

He does not need to be crazy to be evil.
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
I wondered whether you were making crap up, but when I typed "anti-ai", Google autocompleted "anti-aircraft executions".

I sure missed that exciting news item.
Sadly not.

I suppose the point about such public executions is instilling fear.

Having a volatile temper seems to make sense if you are acting as a controlling bully - whether in an abusive relationship or as a dictator.

Unlike classic good-practice for discipline, you *don't* want clear boundaries, you want people to be unsure whether they have crossed any threshold.
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
I think he got a phrase stuck in his head and blurted it out.
That this is a comforting thought is unsettling.
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The Fire and Fury were, according to sources pretty much an off the cuff remark.Typical.
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That this is a comforting thought is unsettling.
Ha agreed.
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The Fire and Fury were, according to sources pretty much an off the cuff remark.Typical.
I would be surprised if they weren't off the cuff. That would mean that he asked someone else about a tweet before he tweeted it. Not likely.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Why assume Kim Jong Un is crazy? He seems to be a fairly regular dictator. Is there any evidence that he actually believes his Propaganda or is that just Trump?

He does not need to be crazy to be evil.
Assuming that having grown up in family conditions I can only imagine were not conducive to emerging as a rational, sane human being, that Kim Jong Un is not crazy then you have the problem that he may conclude that Trump is engaging in the same sort of propaganda speak he is using, not understanding that Trump seems to actually believe his own nonsense. The best hope for the world is that Trump goes into one of his bursts of denial and pretends none of this ever happened.
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The Fire and Fury were, according to sources pretty much an off the cuff remark.Typical.
Trump is discovering that, as President, everything he says matters. He can just say ********.
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Trump is discovering that, as President, everything he says matters. He can just say ********.
Evidence?
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Trump is discovering that, as President, everything he says matters. He can just say ********.
That notion will never set in with him. He has gone his entire life saying whatever stupid thing comes to mind and he never had to deal with the repercussions. He's not going to change. If anything should be obvious from the election campaign and the first 200 days of his presidency, it's that. He is not going to change. Not now, not ever, not for anyone.
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As to igniting something , the most Trumpf is likely to do in the near future is to pick up doggy droppings, put a bunch in a paper bag and set it on fire in front of Mitch McConnell's office and then knock loudly and run!!!!!!!
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has anyone asked South Korea what they want?

When Trump wants their opinion he'll give it to them.
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When Trump wants their opinion he'll give it to them.
It might be easier if he had an Ambassador in place. Then again, it's only South Korea they're not a very big country. It's not like they are a major trading partner or we have a lot of US troops stationed in the country. I wonder if Trump knows that North and South Korea border each other.
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It might be easier if he had an Ambassador in place. Then again, it's only South Korea they're not a very big country. It's not like they are a major trading partner or we have a lot of US troops stationed in the country. I wonder if Trump knows that North and South Korea border each other.
From his bluster, I wonder if that the other narcissistic Dear Leader Kim Jong-un knows that. Guam?! Why not threaten Seoul (or the other 14 US military bases in S.K.) or Okinawa? They're a lot closer than Guam.

It would be funny if Trump tweeted something like "Guam? Kim you couldn't hit Guam with one of your ****** missiles even if you tried!"
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From his bluster, I wonder if that the other narcissistic Dear Leader Kim Jong-un knows that. Guam?! Why not threaten Seoul (or the other 14 US military bases in S.K.) or Okinawa? They're a lot closer than Guam.

It would be funny if Trump tweeted something like "Guam? Kim you couldn't hit Guam with one of your ****** missiles even if you tried!"
I think that Guam is part of the United States (and Korea and Okinawa are not)
is the reason; Kim wanted to directly threaten the United States,and his missiles don't have the range....yet....to hit Hawaii or the Continential US.
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I think that Guam is part of the United States (and Korea and Okinawa are not)
is the reason; Kim wanted to directly threaten the United States,and his missiles don't have the range....yet....to hit Hawaii or the Continential US.
You see, this is the reason that Narcissistic Dear Leaders need think things through. Okinawa would have been a better choice because it would reignite all the Anti-US Military feelings from the Local Japanese Peaceniks.
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You see, this is the reason that Narcissistic Dear Leaders need think things through. Okinawa would have been a better choice because it would reignite all the Anti-US Military feelings from the Local Japanese Peaceniks.
Only if they were past the historical enmity between Japan and Korea.
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Only if they were past the historical enmity between Japan and Korea.

That too! It would work on so many levels. It's obvious that Kim is not the Über-Troll he thinks he is.
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I have to disagree there. Mattis statements are pretty much in line with the way the Obama Admin talked to Korea. Totally different then Trump's rant.
And ignoring the Cracy Guy is not going to work either.
I am really annoyed on seeing a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" attitude among some Anti Trump people.
I don't know that it's a bad thing to make Lunch Box understand that when you join the Nuclear Club, the price of admission is mutually assured destruction. Limiting collateral damage goes out the window when you're talking about exchanging nukes.
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has anyone asked South Korea what they want?
Well, that's the big question isn't it. Oh to be a fly on the wall when we explain why Japan and South Korea should absorb thousands of casualties because a small percentage of our population now lives under the threat 100 percent of their populations have lived under for decades.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think that Guam is part of the United States (and Korea and Okinawa are not)
is the reason; Kim wanted to directly threaten the United States,and his missiles don't have the range....yet....to hit Hawaii or the Continential US.
Do they have the accuracy to hit Guam?
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As to igniting something , the most Trumpf is likely to do in the near future is to pick up doggy droppings, put a bunch in a paper bag and set it on fire in front of Mitch McConnell's office and then knock loudly and run!!!!!!!
Those two deserve each other.
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First of all, I can't stand Trump and I think he is going about this all wrong. I do think something needs done about North Korea and it needs done pretty quickly. I know there's probably no real good easy way to do it though.

It would be nice if we could somehow send a bunch of stealth bombers and stealth fighters over to simultaneously take out every missile site, military installation, etc. Though only if we are certain there's about to be an attack by NK.

I know this is a complicated issue and that may not even be possible. How close could we get to doing something like that though?

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It would be nice if we could somehow send a bunch of stealth bombers and stealth fighters over to simultaneously take out every missile site, military installation, etc. Though only if we are certain there's about to be an attack by NK.

I know this is a complicated issue and that may not even be possible. How close could we get to doing something like that though?
You're thinking too strategically, which unfortunately Trump does not do. You can bet China does. I wonder, what do the Chinese get out of having this bristling bit of militaristic peninsula attached to it? Why does China put up with it? Or Russia?

China is bound to have better intelligence than the U.S., not that Trump would listen to it or understand its significance, as he seems determined to cut both intelligence gathering and diplomacy off at the knees. IMO any U.S. military action should be the exact opposite of fire and fury. Cold and clinical should be the mindset. The focus should be on long-range missiles.

I don't understand something about nuclear arsenals. Countries that develop nuclear weapons are said to have nuclear programs. The revelation that NK could hit the U.S. with a warhead supposedly shows they are farther along than previously supposed. But hardware sufficient to travel thousands of miles and take out hundreds of thousands of people isn't cutting-edge technology. That genie popped out of the bottle decades ago.

I found this on a website called Classroom:
After the Cold War Where Did the Nuclear Weapons That the Soviet Union Possessed Go?

Quote:
In January 2013, Russia was estimated to possess approximately 8,500 nuclear warheads, of which 1,800 were actively deployed. These figures are destined to be reduced under the terms of the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or New START, which was signed by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and U.S. President Barack Obama on April 8, 2010. This treaty limits the number of operational nuclear warheads on both sides to no more than 1,550, to be achieved no later than February 2018.
I wonder what the status of this is. Since Obama helped craft it, does Trump disown it? Is the U.S. complying? Is Russia?

Could North Korea be a calculated distraction from nuclear cheating by Russia?
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Do they have the accuracy to hit Guam?
Probably not, but this is the worrying thing. They have threatened "enveloping fire" and are now talking about firing four missiles aimed to land to the sides of the island without actually hitting it after having them fly over Japan.

With their range and accuracy they could *accidentally* hit Guam, land in Japan or hit a commercial airliner on their way through.
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Probably not, but this is the worrying thing. They have threatened "enveloping fire" and are now talking about firing four missiles aimed to land to the sides of the island without actually hitting it after having them fly over Japan.

With their range and accuracy they could *accidentally* hit Guam, land in Japan or hit a commercial airliner on their way through.
Sorry, that's their retaliation? I could see lobbing missiles near Guam as a threat, but not as a retaliation announced days in advance.
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Sorry, that's their retaliation? I could see lobbing missiles near Guam as a threat, but not as a retaliation announced days in advance.
I don't think they are talking about retaliation but that they plan to fire the missiles anyway according to the BBC report here:

North Korea Guam missile strike plan 'ready by mid-August'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40883372
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As to igniting something , the most Trumpf is likely to do in the near future is to pick up doggy droppings, put a bunch in a paper bag and set it on fire in front of Mitch McConnell's office and then knock loudly and run!!!!!!!
You mean drive away in his golf cart. Trump never runs anywhere.
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