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Old 11th August 2017, 10:01 AM   #1
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Los Angeles has 144% registered voters !

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http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-r...deral-lawsuit/

In the letter, Judicial Watch noted that public records obtained on the Election Assistance Commission’s 2016 Election Administration Voting Survey and through verbal accounts from various county agencies show 11 California counties have more registered voters than voting-age citizens: Imperial (102%), Lassen (102%), Los Angeles (112%), Monterey (104%), San Diego (138%), San Francisco (114%), San Mateo (111%), Santa Cruz (109%), Solano (111%), Stanislaus (102%), and Yolo (110%).

In the letter, Judicial Watch noted that Los Angeles County officials “informed us that the total number of registered voters now stands at a number that is a whopping 144% of the total number of resident citizens of voting age.”

Under Section 8 of the NVRA, states are required to make a reasonable effort to remove the names of ineligible voters from official lists due to “the death of the registrant” or “a change in the residence of the registrant,” and requires states to ensure noncitizens are not registered to vote.

There is “strong circumstantial evidence that California municipalities are not conducting reasonable voter registration list maintenance as mandated under the NVRA,” Judicial Watch wrote in the notice letter sent to California Secretary of State Alex Padilla.

Judicial Watch referred California officials to a settlement agreement it reached with the State of Ohio in which Ohio agreed to update and maintain its voter registration lists and to keep a current voter registration list online and available for public access.
144% has to be worse than Chicago even.

Maybe Trump has a point.
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How many of them voted?
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Old 11th August 2017, 10:19 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
144% has to be worse than Chicago even.

Maybe Trump has a point.
The tallies of registered voters are often incorrect because the voter registration rolls are not automatically updated when voters move, die, change names, etc.

However, what that stupid, idiotic, greedy, liar 45 was bitching about was that three to five million people voted illegally for Clinton, and that is why he lost the popular vote.

In any event, many investigations have shown that while the voter registration rolls are often incorrect, however there are very, very, very few fraudulent votes cast at the national level.

I hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
Maybe Trump has a point.
You are right. This definitely suggests that millions of illegal votes were cast for Killary in the election.
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
144% has to be worse than Chicago even.

Maybe Trump has a point.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...htmlstory.html

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...California assemblyman, Travis Allen, R-Huntington Beach, on Monday shared it on Twitter with the question, “How is this possible?”

A report in The Sacramento Bee offered this terse reply: “Short answer: It’s not.”
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...166187232.html

Hmmmmmm, Huntington Beach, eh? I wonder why Orange County isn't on that list?

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That Sacramento Bee article makes it pretty clear that this is deliberately sleazy manipulation by Judicial Watch rather than just sloppy research. Anyone with a basic knowledge of voter registration issues knows full well about the inactive voter issue.
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That Sacramento Bee article makes it pretty clear that this is deliberately sleazy manipulation by Judicial Watch rather than just sloppy research. Anyone with a basic knowledge of voter registration issues knows full well about the inactive voter issue.
If this is sleazy manipulation by Judicial Watch, how do you explain conservatives seeing brown voting that shouldn't voting at the polls voting? Are you saying these are legally registered voters?
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If this is sleazy manipulation by Judicial Watch, how do you explain conservatives seeing brown voting that shouldn't voting at the polls voting? Are you saying these are legally registered voters?
Exactly! Voting while brown is a direct violation of the traditional interpretation of electoral laws. To give them credit the Republican party has been working overtime to eliminate this threat to a white... um fair representation of the will of the American public.
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For those who didn't click on the Sacramento Bee article:
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Judicial Watch’s claim rests on its inclusion of “inactive voters” – people who have been removed from active rolls after a mail ballot, voter guide or other official document was returned as undeliverable – usually as a result of moving. They aren’t reflected in turnout tallies or signature-gathering requirements, don’t receive election materials, and are ignored by campaigns.

Inactive voters nevertheless underline Judicial Watch’s math suggesting that Los Angeles County has a registration rate of 112 percent, for example, or Stanislaus County has a registration rate of 102 percent. The letter cites a “failure to maintain accurate, up-to-date voter registration lists.”
Judicial Watch went on to make allegations that CA refuted with evidence.
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In a statement, Padilla called Judicial Watch’s claims “baseless” and designed to “advance the Trump commission's sham voter fraud agenda.” The threatened lawsuit, he said, “represents the latest in a series of coordinated attacks on the voting rights of American citizens.”
Apparently Judicial Watch has moved on from exaggerating and slanting their clams to outright falsehoods.

From the cited San Diego paper:
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Judicial Watch did not offer any data to back up its claim, and it declined to give the Los Angeles Times any details about its analysis, saying it may soon sue.

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I think it would be wonderful if they did sue.

Bringing these claims out in open court, along with the discovery which Judicial Watch would end up having to submit to, would be a great way to see these sorts of claims publicly aired.

I'm guessing that they won't sue. Just bluster.

It's interesting that the conservative alternative to "fake news" seems to be composed mostly of outright lies.
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
I think it would be wonderful if they did sue.

Bringing these claims out in open court, along with the discovery which Judicial Watch would end up having to submit to, would be a great way to see these sorts of claims publicly aired.

I'm guessing that they won't sue. Just bluster.

It's interesting that the conservative alternative to "fake news" seems to be composed mostly of outright lies.
And excuses for refusing to supply proof.

"I give millions to charities, and can prove it with my taxes. I would love to provide my tax documentation, but it's under audit."
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repost of the last para of the OP: Judicial Watch referred California officials to a settlement agreement it reached with the State of Ohio in which Ohio agreed to update and maintain its voter registration lists and to keep a current voter registration list online and available for public access.

My guess is that the publicizing of voter roles will allow Joe Public to police the system.

But hmm, if
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Sac Bee: inclusion of “inactive voters” – people who have been removed from active rolls after a mail ballot, voter guide or other official document was returned as undeliverable – usually as a result of moving. They aren’t reflected in turnout tallies or signature-gathering requirements, don’t receive election materials, and are ignored by campaigns.
Why is there even such a list? What IS it used for? Gerrymandering? Anybody?
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Why is there even such a list? What IS it used for? Gerrymandering? Anybody?
Probably maintained on the registry because the reason for inactivity could be temporary. For example, moved, but to a new mailing address in the same district. They would just need to update their information, but for now, there's no point in sending them more election packages at that old address.
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Probably maintained on the registry because the reason for inactivity could be temporary. For example, moved, but to a new mailing address in the same district. They would just need to update their information, but for now, there's no point in sending them more election packages at that old address.
This is how it has been explained by officials in the articles I have read.
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Probably maintained on the registry because the reason for inactivity could be temporary. For example, moved, but to a new mailing address in the same district. They would just need to update their information,.....
And how do you update your info? You send in a new card with ALL the info on it. So , nope.

Even jury duty subpoenas would make sense, why send the notice to a place they know you ain't at?

And, how do the places that settled with Justice Watch manage without the lists of outdated voters?

But wait, it's not a separate list, it's THE list.

And I do see some Republican counties on the list. Maybe it's not a Democrat thing, might be a Civil Service thing? "Save that file, we go through it on overtime, when we ever get the budget for overtime"? Or "We get more work, sending out Jury Summons to 44% more citizens"? I knew a worker in my city that had that principle in the office she worked at.

So, a legitimate use?, really? In spite of the federal law?

Or maybe just wait, see how the next election in Ohio goes different than the last?
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Maybe Trump has a point.
Definitely, under that rodent pelt.
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Definitely, under that rodent pelt.
A pointy little head, under orange stained hair and covering a dessicated thing that was once, possibly, a brain - or something like one!!!
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repost of the last para of the OP: Judicial Watch referred California officials to a settlement agreement it reached with the State of Ohio in which Ohio agreed to update and maintain its voter registration lists and to keep a current voter registration list online and available for public access.

My guess is that the publicizing of voter roles will allow Joe Public to police the system.

But hmm, if

Why is there even such a list? What IS it used for? Gerrymandering? Anybody?
Did you bother to read the rebuttal articles to your fake news OP cite?

The reason for leaving people on the voter rolls whose mailed out ballots were returned unused was in case one of those voters needed the records at their new place of residence.

IOW, you move and don't update your voter registration. Then when the election comes you can contact voter registration officials and you'll still be in the system.

Your whole allowing "Joe Public to police the system" is entirely based on the proven false many times premise that the voter registration rolls equate to the voting record.

You're not convincing anyone here who doesn't already have the same confirmation bias as you do. We understand the difference between voter registration lists and voter's voting records. Who do you think your fake voter cheating assertion is reaching?
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And how do you update your info? You send in a new card with ALL the info on it. So , nope.

Even jury duty subpoenas would make sense, why send the notice to a place they know you ain't at?
What makes you think that once a ballot is returned unused that the names are not then flagged?

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And, how do the places that settled with Justice Watch manage without the lists of outdated voters?
Judicial Watch, not Justice Watch. As for "settled with" you make it sound like Judicial Watch successfully sued voter registration offices. I can't find a single case where they sued and won a case to make a voter registration office clean up its roles. JW sued for voter records, that's it.

And registrars agreed to tighten their record keeping. Big deal. No voter fraud has been found. PERIOD! Get over it.

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But wait, it's not a separate list, it's THE list.

And I do see some Republican counties on the list. Maybe it's not a Democrat thing, might be a Civil Service thing? "Save that file, we go through it on overtime, when we ever get the budget for overtime"? Or "We get more work, sending out Jury Summons to 44% more citizens"? I knew a worker in my city that had that principle in the office she worked at.

So, a legitimate use?, really? In spite of the federal law?

Or maybe just wait, see how the next election in Ohio goes different than the last?
What are you talking about? There is NO EVIDENCE OF MORE THAN A COUPLE DOZEN OR SO PEOPLE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY VOTING TWICE. Why do you keep insisting we buy this load of rubbish?


Here is an example of Judicial Watch's disregard for facts: Group’s Tactic on Hillary Clinton: Sue Her Again and Again
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The organization filed its first lawsuit against the Clintons shortly after its formation in 1994, and it pretty much never stopped. It is currently the plaintiff in more than 20 suits involving Mrs. Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee....

Judicial Watch’s strategy is simple: Carpet-bomb the federal courts with Freedom of Information Act lawsuits. A vast majority are dismissed. But Judicial Watch caught a break last year, when revelations about Mrs. Clinton’s private email server prompted two judges to reopen two of the group’s cases connected to her tenure as secretary of state.

The lawsuits have since led to the release of hundreds of Mrs. Clinton’s emails — which have, in turn, spurred dozens of news releases and fund-raising letters from Judicial Watch that hype the significance of these documents, while putting them in the least flattering light possible for Mrs. Clinton.
They have simply moved on from harassing the Clintons to this faux voter fraud bull ****.
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One of its biggest funders, according to public filings, is the Sarah Scaife Foundation, which was created by the banking heir Richard Mellon Scaife, who died in 2014. In the 1990s, Mr. Scaife was one of the leading financiers of the right-wing effort to bring down the Clintons, bankrolling conservative think tanks and publications — as well as Judicial Watch.

Litigiousness is in the organization’s DNA:
When successful Judicial Watch completely misrepresents the information they obtain.

As to their denial of having purely partisan propaganda motives:
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And the pending federal action against Trump University for defrauding students? Mr. Fitton, whose organization has filed about 300 lawsuits against the Obama administration, described it as “ambulance chasing.”
Nothing that comes out of this group is the least bit credible. This is yet more propaganda and frivolous lawsuits.

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I've registered to vote everywhere I've lived since hitting voting age. I've moved a lot. Never once did I inform the old voting registration I'd moved. I assumed the DMV took care of that, or the property tax people did. For all I know I'm still on the rolls for two districts in Georgia, three in Virginia, and two in Missouri. Nobody ever told me to do anything about the old places.
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I've registered to vote everywhere I've lived since hitting voting age. I've moved a lot. Never once did I inform the old voting registration I'd moved. I assumed the DMV took care of that, or the property tax people did. For all I know I'm still on the rolls for two districts in Georgia, three in Virginia, and two in Missouri. Nobody ever told me to do anything about the old places.
You could sell your votes.
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Did you bother to read the rebuttal articles to your fake news OP cite?

The reason for leaving people on the voter rolls whose mailed out ballots were returned unused was in case one of those voters needed the records at their new place of residence.

IOW, you move and don't update your voter registration. Then when the election comes you can contact voter registration officials and you'll still be in the system.

Your whole allowing "Joe Public to police the system" is entirely based on the proven false many times premise that the voter registration rolls equate to the voting record.

You're not convincing anyone here who doesn't already have the same confirmation bias as you do. We understand the difference between voter registration lists and voter's voting records. Who do you think your fake voter cheating assertion is reaching?
And yet most counties in California find no need to maintain their old lists.
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And yet most counties in California find no need to maintain their old lists.

What does this mean? That they make no efforts at all to try and determine which voter registrations are active and which are not? Or just that they don't bother to keep records at all?

Are you suggesting this to be a superior practice?
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What does this mean? That they make no efforts at all to try and determine which voter registrations are active and which are not? Or just that they don't bother to keep records at all?

Are you suggesting this to be a superior practice?
SG said the old lists are a great adjunct.

California has about 60 counties. about 50 do not seem to need those lists.

What would you think could account for the difference?
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SG said the old lists are a great adjunct.

California has about 60 counties. about 50 do not seem to need maintain those lists.

What would you think could account for the difference?

[FTFY.]


Funding?

Laziness?

Incompetence?

Corruption?

All of the above?

None of the above?


What's your theory?
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And yet most counties in California find no need to maintain their old lists.
So?

Unless you have evidence this has anything to do with voter fraud, you got nothing.

And yes, it has been investigated, ad nauseum. You think if there was anything to this Judicial Watch would be running with a nothing-burger?
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SG said the old lists are a great adjunct.
A great adjunct? Adding adjectives not in evidence.

As for whatever else you are suspicious of, again, you got nothing because there have not been hundreds, let alone millions of votes that were fraudulent.
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I've registered to vote everywhere I've lived since hitting voting age. I've moved a lot. Never once did I inform the old voting registration I'd moved. I assumed the DMV took care of that, or the property tax people did. For all I know I'm still on the rolls for two districts in Georgia, three in Virginia, and two in Missouri. Nobody ever told me to do anything about the old places.
Not only are you still on the rolls here, but H. Ross Perot thanks you for your vote.
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Why is there even such a list? What IS it used for? Gerrymandering? Anybody?
The inactive voter rolls are a sort of voter registration limbo. It occurs when the state has reason to suspect that a person should not be registered to vote where they are registered, but not enough information to cancel their voter registration. An inactive voter is technically still registered to vote, but will not be eligible to vote unless they renew their registration or provide proof of identity or residency. An inactive voter who shows up at the polls may have to show a recent driver’s license or something like a utility bill before they are allowed to vote. This allows inactive voters to vote without having to restart the whole registration process or being barred by any registration deadlines.

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And yet most counties in California find no need to maintain their old lists.
I don’t see any evidence for that. There are a number of reasons why some counties using the same practices may have a registration over 100% while others do not. Some counties have people that move more frequently while other (probably rural) counties don’t have people moving as much. Some counties have a larger percent of people with driver’s licenses that get renewed and update their voter registration while other counties have more people who rely on public transportation and don’t have or renew a license. Some counties have actual voter registration over 80% while other have less than 60%. Some counties have had large population growth since the 2010 census while other have had less or even a decline. All of those factors could result in a registration percent (including inactive voters) from being more or less than 100% even though they all use the same pratices.
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You'd think that in states where you have motor-voter laws, the state you moved to would also notify your home state you no longer live there. States do that when they generate a new title for your car. It can't be that much harder to also inform the state you left that you don't live there anymore.
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You'd think that in states where you have motor-voter laws, the state you moved to would also notify your home state you no longer live there. States do that when they generate a new title for your car. It can't be that much harder to also inform the state you left that you don't live there anymore.
A person who obtains a license in another state could still be a resident of California. If California is notified that a California license has been surrendered in another state, the person is placed on the inactive voter registration roll and is sent a confirmation request (required by NVRA section 8(d)(2)) and a residency confirmation postcard to confirm the residency. If the person does not respond to those notices and they do not vote in the next two federal elections (where they would be required to show proof of residency), then their voter registration may be cancelled.
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I just realized that ISF itself has many, many more members registered than I have ever observed participating in threads. Very suspicious! Are the excess members illegal immigrants from another forum? Are they dead and their forum names used to manipulate our on-line polls? Perhaps these phantom members are used to falsely create the "liberal bias" our conservative members attribute to the Forum, and that the real members voted for Trump 2 to 1. Just what kind of fraud are the mods trying to get away with?
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
I just realized that ISF itself has many, many more members registered than I have ever observed participating in threads. Very suspicious! Are the excess members illegal immigrants from another forum?
It's worse than that, some of them are not even real Americans!
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Judicial Watch, not Justice Watch. As for "settled with" you make it sound like Judicial Watch successfully sued voter registration offices. I can't find a single case where they sued and won a case to make a voter registration office clean up its roles. JW sued for voter records, that's it.
Rolls, not roles.
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And yet most counties in California find no need to maintain their old lists.
Asserting facts not in evidence. We have not seen the complete list of Judicial Watch. They only claimed 11 counties had registration rates over 100% - including the "inactive voters". The SacBee article linked to above has a table with registration rates based on the "active voters" alone. Those rates vary between 54% and 85%. A county with a registration rate of 54% of active voters can easily maintain an inactive voter list and still not have a suspicious rate when you include the inactive voters.

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It's worse than that, some of them [ISF members, ddt] are not even real Americans!
Guilty as charged!
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I think it would be wonderful if they did sue.

Bringing these claims out in open court, along with the discovery which Judicial Watch would end up having to submit to, would be a great way to see these sorts of claims publicly aired.

I'm guessing that they won't sue. Just bluster.

It's interesting that the conservative alternative to "fake news" seems to be composed mostly of outright lies.
It would be nice if the legal system allowed the object of a threat to sue to compel the maker of the threat to actually bring on the lawsuit.
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
It's worse than that, some of them are not even real Americans!
Well, I knew it all along.

I have lived all over the US and some places in Europe.

Too many smart answers here for everyone to be American.

Better call Judicial Watch, we got us an emergency.

Or, can I make a little *Christmas money with my extra votes?

I think there are at least 5 different states since I started voting.
Add Germany and Italy as part of USAREUR.

*So proud to be able to say Christmas without fear amirite? LOL
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It would be nice if the legal system allowed the object of a threat to sue to compel the maker of the threat to actually bring on the lawsuit.
I think it is time for our military penguins to bring out the troops!

Make "I'll sue you into submission!" folks bring it on, at their cost, all of it.

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