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Old 11th August 2017, 07:02 PM   #1
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The National Security Council was totally nuts

How crazy was Michael Flynn? To get an idea of where the National Security Council might have gone with him at the helm check out the mess that McMaster had to deal with when he arrived. This was a memo that was written by old Flynn staffers. Foreign Policy got a hold of it and I'll share with you the best bits.

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BACKGROUND.The Trump administration is suffering under withering information campaigns designed to first undermine, then de legitimize and ultimately remove the President. Possibly confusing these attacks with an elevated interplay of otherwise normal D.C. partisan infighting and adversarial media relations, the White House response to these campaigns reflects a political advocacy mindset that it is intensely reactive, severely under-inclusive and dangerously inadequate to the threat. If action is not taken to re-scope and respond to these hostile campaigns very soon, the administration risks implosion and subsequent early departure from the White House.
Remember this is from the NSC! Did you forget that? Remembering that is important to understand how batcrap nuts this is.

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Culturally conditioned to limit responses to such attacks as yet another round in the on-going drone from diversity and multicultural malcontents, these broadsides are discounted as political correctness run amuck. However, political correctness is a weapon against reason and critical thinking. This weapon functions as the enforcement mechanism of diversity narratives that seek to implement cultural Marxism.
Did you get that? Diversity is a path to cultural Marxism. Can't have diversity. Gotta have a pure nation of white Christians. Anything else is just Cultural Marxism.

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Academia has served as a principle counter-state node for some time and remains a key conduit for creating future adherents to cultural Marxist narratives and their derivative worldview. The Deep State - The successful outcome of cultural Marxism is a bureaucratic state beholden to no one, certainly not the American people . With no rule of law considerations outside those that further deep state power, the deep state truly becomes, as Hegel advocated, god bestriding the earth. Global Corporatists & Bankers - Exploitation of populations, unfettered by national protections and notions of personal morality and piety. Democratic Leadership - The democratic leadership has been a counter-state enabler that executes, sustains, and protects cultural Marxist programs of action and facilitates the relentless expansion of the deep state.
Academia, Deep State and Global Bankers... what the? Did Alex Jones co-author this?
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Political Warfare Attacks -A Primer. As used here, "political warfare" does not concern activities associated with the American political process but rather exclusively refers to political warfare as understood by the Maoist Insurgency model. Political warfare is one of the five components of a Maoist insurgency. Maoist methodologies employ synchronized violent and non-violent actions that focus on mobilization of individuals and groups to action. This approach envisions the direct use of non-violent operational arts and tactics as elements of combat power. In Maoist insurgencies, the formation of a counter-state is essential to seizing state power. Functioning as a hostile competing state acting within an existing state, it has an alternate infrastructure. Political warfare operates as one of the activities of the "counter-state" and is primarily focused on the resourcing and mobilization of the counter state or the exhaustion and demobilization of the targeted political movement. Political warfare methods can be implemented at strategic, operational, or tactical levels of operation.
Maoist Insurgency? Now we are talking about a Maoist Insurgency?

Politics is involved in...just about everything in a democratic society but they decide that they want to link it to a Maoist Insurgency? Because a Maoist insurgency also involves politics?

Okay, then we get to this little bit where we learn tolerance is intolerance because it means inhibiting the old institutions that allowed intolerance. It just gets crazier and crazier.

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That post-modern (diversity/multiculturalism) narratives seeks to implement cultural Marxist objectives can be demonstrated by reference to founding Frankfurt School theorist Herbert Marcuse's repurposing of the term tolerance. In a 1965 ~ Marcuse defined tolerance as intolerance; said it can be implemented through undemocratic means to stop chauvinism (xenophobia), racism, discrimination; and should be extended to the left while denied to the right: "The realization of the objective of tolerance would call for intolerance toward prevailing policies, attitudes, opinions, and the extension of tolerance to policies, attitudes, and opinions which are outlawed or suppressed." "Surely, no government can be expected to foster its own subversion, but in a democracy such a right is vested in the people (i.e. in the majority of the people). This means that the ways should not be blocked on which a subversive majority could develop, and if they are blocked by organized repression and indoctrination, their reopening may require apparently undemocratic means. They would include the withdrawal of toleration of speech and assembly from groups and movements which promote aggressive policies, armament, chauvinism, discrimination on the grounds of race and religion, or which oppose the extension of public services, social security, medical care, etc."
Uh, the highlighted bit. About that...

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The Meta Narrative. Meta narratives seeks to delegitimize President Trump, his administration, and the vision of America he projected as a candidate. With cultural Marxist memes serving as the backdrop, President Trump is to be relentlessly characterized as unfit through the use of supporting narratives acting to move unwitting populations to belief in the meta narrative. Hence: "President Trump is illegitimate" "President Trump is corrupt" "President Trump is dishonest"
Ummm...

"Obama was born in Kenya."
"Obama is a secret Muslim."
"Obama is a secret Islamist."
"Obama is a secret Communist."

I guess they can dish it but can't take it. Typical bully behavior.

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CONCLUSION. The recent turn of events give rise to the observation that the defense of President Trump is the defense of America. In the same way President Lincoln was surrounded by political opposition both inside and outside of his wire, in both overt and covert forms, so too is President Trump. Had Lincoln failed, so too would have the Republic. The administration has been maneuvered into a constant backpedal by relentless political warfare attacks structured to force him to assume a reactive posture that assures inadequate responses. The president can either drive or be driven by events; it's time for him to drive them.
What!?! "The defense of President Trump is the defense of America"? From people saying stuff he doesn't like?

I must reiterate this was from the NSC. The people charged with the military strategy of the USA are writing a memo about how Trump has people saying things about him.

What are we to make of this? What are we to infer when they end with the vague notion of "drive them"? Is this just euphemistic speech of the kind of "deportation" and "resettlement" by the Nazis?

Keep in mind the most prominent quote in the memo was from someone advocating for suspending democracy to make sure things don't change. I think from that we can infer that this was essentially the NSC laying the groundwork to take military action against Trump critics.
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Old 11th August 2017, 07:56 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
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I must reiterate this was from the NSC. ...
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Old 12th August 2017, 12:50 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
... I guess they can dish it but can't take it. Typical bully behavior.
Indeed! After all, how great can a gun-totting hick be, absent close association with an awesome, self-affirming magical narrative? Oh noes! Don't say! You mean, just another mindless, gun-totting hick, end of story, drooling idiocy included? Hard for Bubbas to take; explains the open fascism, jackboots, torches, and support for Trump.

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Old 12th August 2017, 01:02 AM   #4
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There are a lot of freaks and weirdos serving in the Trump administration
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Old 12th August 2017, 02:02 AM   #5
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There are a lot of freaks and weirdos serving in the Trump administration
There's a far larger number who voted for him.
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Old 12th August 2017, 04:37 AM   #6
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Remember this is from the NSC! Did you forget that? Remembering that is important to understand how batcrap nuts this is.
Except for the fact that according to the same article it says that:

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This 3,500-word memo was written in a personal capacity, according to a source familiar with its drafting. The source described it as a “technical assessment” of the current political situation, and said it was never disseminated from the NSC in any official manner, but shared with personal contacts from the Trump campaign.
It was clearly apparent that Flynn, Bannon and the "Flynnstones" they brought with them appeared highly paranoid and conspiratorial. They often seemed to hail from the "counter-jihad movement" and other far-right crackpot fringes. The bizarre belief that the Muslim Brotherhood is infiltrating America is a casebook example of such crackpot conspiracy theories.

You gotta wonder who the "senior administration official" who they interviewed was considering they seem to agree with this nutcase. Bannon? Gorka? Miller? Whoever it is it's clear that they have obviously no place on any position of importance in the whitehouse or any other government and state institution. It would be no different if a card-carying member of the John Birch Society was a national security advisor or some similar position.
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Old 12th August 2017, 06:33 AM   #7
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The best part of the memo is the conclusion where Higgins does not hesitate to compare Trump to Lincoln.

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Old 12th August 2017, 07:17 AM   #8
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There are a lot of freaks and weirdos serving in the Trump administration
I admit that in these areas Trump has provided strong leadership!
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I'm finding myself surprised he omitted the triple parens from "bankers".

The author of the memo was, of course, fired by McMaster. Just one of the reason the right is gunning for him now.
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This memo has been picked up by Justin Keogh, gray eminence of the 9/11 Truth Movement (owner of 911Blogger, and long-time Board member of AE911Truth). He simply comments:

Deep State forced out of hiding.

Yeah. As if the Trump (the Israel lover!) and his looneys were an asset to the 9/11 TM!
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The episode came to light during what appears to be General McMaster’s slow-rolling purge against hard-line aides on his staff who were close to Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s first national security adviser, and shared Mr. Bannon’s antiglobalist views. General McMaster succeeded Mr. Flynn after he resigned in February after the revelation that he misled Vice President Mike Pence and others about a telephone call with Russia’s ambassador.

Last week, Mr. McMaster dismissed Ezra Cohen-Watnick, who ran the council’s intelligence division and whose ouster had been opposed by Mr. Bannon and Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Derek Harvey, the top Middle East adviser, and Tera Dahl, the deputy chief of staff and a former writer for Breitbart News, which Mr. Bannon once ran, also resigned last month. The departure of Mr. Higgins as a result of his memo was first reported by The Atlantic.

The housecleaning has inflamed conservatives who have long been wary of General McMaster. Frank Gaffney Jr., the president of the Center for Security Policy and the architect of a public campaign to lobby for the general’s firing, has singled out Mr. Higgins, a former Department of Defense employee, as a cause célèbre and on Friday called his memo “required reading.”

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Before arriving at the White House, Mr. Higgins had been outspoken. He appeared on Sean Hannity’s talk radio show and on other conservative news outlets last year to share his views, including that the Muslim Brotherhood had taken over the decision-making in the White House during the Obama administration, and that the concept of Islamophobia had been invented by terrorists to squelch critical thinking in the West.

In a video posted on Friday by the liberal-leaning group Right Wing Watch, Mr. Higgins is seen giving a talk in which he said administrations of both parties were to blame for the failure of the United States to curb terrorism.

“You’d sit in these meetings in the Bush administration, and the Muslim Brotherhood guys — they’d be in the meetings, at the table with you; in the Obama administration, they’re running the meetings,” Mr. Higgins said in the video, which appeared to have been recorded last year. “You don’t have to hate all Muslims — all right, I have Muslim friends — but you have to hate Islam.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/u...y-council.html

Sounds like Typical "counter-jihad" conspiracy rhetoric mixed with genericfar-right nonsense. From what I've read the next crazy to go onto the Kelly chopping block is Bannon, although it's possible he will somehow wiggle out of it by sucking up to Trump. After him I'd suggest firing Stephen Miller. Both of these individuals hold completely unreasonable and quite frankly delusional beliefs.
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I'm finding myself surprised he omitted the triple parens from "bankers".
And "cultural Marxism." In alt-right ideology, that means the Jewish plot to destroy capitalism from within by promoting socialism and progressive values. Nazi demagoguery called it "cultural Bolshevism."
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/u...y-council.html

Sounds like Typical "counter-jihad" conspiracy rhetoric mixed with genericfar-right nonsense. From what I've read the next crazy to go onto the Kelly chopping block is Bannon, although it's possible he will somehow wiggle out of it by sucking up to Trump. After him I'd suggest firing Stephen Miller. Both of these individuals hold completely unreasonable and quite frankly delusional beliefs.
The very next to fire is Sebastian Gorka, IMHO. That such a crank has been hired by Trump administration tells a lot about the nature of his administration...
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And "cultural Marxism." In alt-right ideology, that means the Jewish plot to destroy capitalism from within by promoting socialism and progressive values. Nazi demagoguery called it "cultural Bolshevism."
Now now now, they also lump gays, feminists, and black activists in there. Somehow.
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"Obama was born in Kenya."
"Obama is a secret Muslim."
"Obama is a secret Islamist."
"Obama is a secret Communist."
It's funny but there are some of us on the right who thought all that stuff was BS. How many on the left think comparable stuff about Trump is silly?

"Trump colluded with the Russians on the Wikileaks emails."
"The Russians hacked the election."
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How crazy was Michael Flynn? [snipped for thread aesthetics]

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It's funny but there are some of us on the right who thought all that stuff was BS. How many on the left think comparable stuff about Trump is silly?

"Trump colluded with the Russians on the Wikileaks emails."
"The Russians hacked the election."
But what about...
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It's funny but there are some of us on the right who thought all that stuff was BS. How many on the left think comparable stuff about Trump is silly?

"Trump colluded with the Russians on the Wikileaks emails."
"The Russians hacked the election."
So evidence has no role to play here?
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It's funny but there are some of us on the right who thought all that stuff was BS. How many on the left think comparable stuff about Trump is silly?

"Trump colluded with the Russians on the Wikileaks emails."
"The Russians hacked the election."
I don't see what that has to do with anything.

The problem isn't that there are crazy conspiracy theorists who believe Trump is besieged by some judeo-marxist Muslim conspiracy. The problem is that there are crazy conspiracy theorists in Trump's administration who believe Trump is besieged by some judeo-marxist Muslim conspiracy, or at least that there's some "truth" among all this crazy nonsense.

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“It’s not wrong per se,” said another official. “Actually, it’s not wrong at all. The not-wrong part is just, well, buried a bit I guess by some of the wackier parts.”
This is like saying that there's some truth to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Really it's not wrong. It just sounds like a bunch of conspiratorial and antisemitic nonsense even-though it isn't.
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Now that I think about it, the fifth word in the thread title is wrong.
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You gotta wonder who the "senior administration official" who they interviewed was considering they seem to agree with this nutcase. Bannon? Gorka? Miller? Whoever it is it's clear that they have obviously no place on any position of importance in the whitehouse or any other government and state institution.

I can think of some state institutions where they should hold the position of important resident.

Ones with soft walls and nice young men in clean white coats.

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It would be no different if a card-carying member of the John Birch Society was a national security advisor or some similar position.
If only they were that restrained and temperate in their beliefs.

John Birchers are Cub Scouts compared to this bunch.

We've seen what it's like with John Birchers in senior positions. It was called the Reagan Administration.

Never imagined I'd miss those days.
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It's funny but there are some of us on the right who thought all that stuff was BS. How many on the left think comparable stuff about Trump is silly?

"Trump colluded with the Russians on the Wikileaks emails."
"The Russians hacked the election."
Deflect with false equivalences? How very predictable...
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Never imagined I'd miss those days.

Not to mention the heretofore unsuspected eloquence of W.
Comparatively speaking, of course.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It's funny but there are some of us on the right who thought all that stuff was BS. How many on the left think comparable stuff about Trump is silly?

"Trump colluded with the Russians on the Wikileaks emails."
"The Russians hacked the election."
I'm not on the left so much, but I don't think that the above allegations are anywhere near as silly as the claim that Obama is a secret Muslim.

Indeed, that the Russians interfered with the election is not even controversial. Now, maybe you mean something else by "hacked", but otherwise, the implication that it is silly is a bit hard to understand.
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This is like saying that there's some truth to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Really it's not wrong. It just sounds like a bunch of conspiratorial and antisemitic nonsense even-though it isn't.

And then leaving it up to the listener/reader to figure out which is which.

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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It's funny but there are some of us on the right who thought all that stuff was BS. How many on the left think comparable stuff about Trump is silly?

"Trump colluded with the Russians on the Wikileaks emails."
"The Russians hacked the election."
Presumably you either really believe this, or are only trying to get a rise out of the "liberals" here. Either way you have left me very depressed about the level of political discussion current in the USA.
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I'm not on the left so much, but I don't think that the above allegations are anywhere near as silly as the claim that Obama is a secret Muslim.

Indeed, that the Russians interfered with the election is not even controversial. Now, maybe you mean something else by "hacked", but otherwise, the implication that it is silly is a bit hard to understand.
I suspect that he will return to define the word to mean "change voting tallies." And to claim that he was referring specifically to Trump and not to his family members or to his campaign. i.e. Brainstet will claim that he was not referring to the broader aspects of these areas already well documented.

Ironically even the Russian changing the actual voting tallies or Trump himself colluding with them are real possibilities that are under investigation by congress and the department of Justice, unlike the delusional paranoia spouted by the axe- NSC me,bet.
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There's a reason why Flynn was forced out of the military...
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There's a far larger number who voted for him.
And they are still in the famous Basket of Deplorables!!!!!
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I remember Flynn's son getting forced out because of his support for Pizzagate.
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