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Old 31st December 2019, 07:52 AM   #41
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So apparently Biden is open to the idea of a Republican running mate.

I do wonder if a split party ticket is something we are going to see sooner or later.
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Old 31st December 2019, 07:54 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I'm really curious what the hell it is Gabbard is playing at here.
Best guess? Doing anything to stand out from the pack. She'd rather be seen as looney then to just fade into background.
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Old 31st December 2019, 07:55 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I'm really curious what the hell it is Gabbard is playing at here. She isn't going to win the primary and she's burning every bridge with Democrats. She isn't running for re-election in her home state. Not sure what she gets for ingratiating herself to conservatives who don't really want anything to do with her.

Maybe it's a gambit to be a token "liberal" commentator on Fox News?
Keep being a "Democrat" on Fox, you mean? She spent much of Obama's Presidency bashing Democrats on Fox, apparently, after all.

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So apparently Biden is open to the idea of a Republican running mate.

I do wonder if a split party ticket is something we are going to see sooner or later.
Mmm. The question asked to him was a bit dumb to start with. His answer was that he was open to considering it, but that there were no Republicans that he could think of then that would be acceptable. He followed that up with a call for Republicans to actually live up to the responsibility that comes with their positions.

I'm not going to fault him for that, personally. Much like I'm not going to fault him telling the good Republicans to stay Republicans and reform their party from within.
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Old 31st December 2019, 07:56 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I'm really curious what the hell it is Gabbard is playing at here. She isn't going to win the primary and she's burning every bridge with Democrats. She isn't running for re-election in her home state. Not sure what she gets for ingratiating herself to conservatives who don't really want anything to do with her.

Maybe it's a gambit to be a token "liberal" commentator on Fox News?

Unlike the geriatric fools the "Democrat" party will funnel into the game (of losing to Trump), she isn't even 40 and will have the integrity credit of resigning over the DNC corruption in 2016 and refusing to take part in the laughable fake "indictment" in 2020. Integrity will be the new value after the big bubble collapses. So maybe she's planning for after the war.

Bernie, the stubborn old fart, could speed it up as I have explained earlier.
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Old 31st December 2019, 07:59 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I'm really curious what the hell it is Gabbard is playing at here. She isn't going to win the primary and she's burning every bridge with Democrats. She isn't running for re-election in her home state. Not sure what she gets for ingratiating herself to conservatives who don't really want anything to do with her.

Maybe it's a gambit to be a token "liberal" commentator on Fox News?
She wants a show on RT or FOX News? Maybe be Kucinich v2? More nuttiness, fewer good ideas?
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Old 31st December 2019, 08:01 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So apparently Biden is open to the idea of a Republican running mate.

I do wonder if a split party ticket is something we are going to see sooner or later.
As much as I like to bag on Biden for trotting out the "be nice to Republicans" nonsense, that isn't all of what he said. He said he was open to the idea, but that he doesn't know of anyone in the GOP that would be acceptable. Basically, a jab at Republicans.
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Old 31st December 2019, 08:06 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
As much as I like to bag on Biden for trotting out the "be nice to Republicans" nonsense, that isn't all of what he said. He said he was open to the idea, but that he doesn't know of anyone in the GOP that would be acceptable. Basically, a jab at Republicans.
*Confused* That's what I said he said. I never suggested it was a realistic possibility or anything he actually put on the table.
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Old 31st December 2019, 08:08 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
She wants a show on RT or FOX News? Maybe be Kucinich v2? More nuttiness, fewer good ideas?
It does sometimes seem like she's publicly campaigning for the "Token person who's we can technically call a Democrat so we can pretend to be fair and balanced person on Fox News" job. And she's a woman and brown but not too brown so she hits the trifecta.
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Old 31st December 2019, 08:49 AM   #49
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You must have a low opinion of the intelligence of your readership to foist such abject nonsense. As if posters are unable to distinguish between nomination and general election.
No. I'm sorry. I have a low opinion of some of the rhetoric that gets posted here from time to time.

The non-hyperbolic version of this (and I apologize for exaggerating) would be something like, "many progressives are likely to hold their noses and vote for someone outside their comfort zone, if it means nominating a candidate likely to beat Trump in the general election. So why not Gabbard?"

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Despite that I have exceedingly negative views on Gabbard, I'd vote for her without hesitation versus Trump... in the alternate universe where this is conceivable.
Which was my basic point. Sorry for implying anything negative about your intelligence.
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Old 31st December 2019, 08:52 AM   #50
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It does sometimes seem like she's publicly campaigning for the "Token person who's we can technically call a Democrat so we can pretend to be fair and balanced person on Fox News" job. And she's a woman and brown but not too brown so she hits the trifecta.
Its working fabulously for Dershowitz.
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Old 31st December 2019, 09:11 AM   #51
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So apparently Biden is open to the idea of a Republican running mate.

I do wonder if a split party ticket is something we are going to see sooner or later.
I would vote for Biden on a split party ticket.

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Actually, after typing that out and before posting it, I had an epiphany: I should vote Democrat anyway. The only thing worse than a do-nothing Congress is a Congress that gets stuff done. It's better for me, and for the nation, if the Senate and the White House remain in opposition to each other. McConnell serves me better in opposition to Biden than in support of Trump.

The biggest risk is that McConnell might cave on justices, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, if it will help heal the national divide. So I guess my question is, which Democrat candidate is most likely to do that? Biden? Warren? Buttigieg? I like Gabbard, but it's not likely she get nominated.
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Old 31st December 2019, 09:13 AM   #52
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She wants a show on RT or FOX News? Maybe be Kucinich v2? More nuttiness, fewer good ideas?
She's spent enough time on the Democrat reservation to know she doesn't like it? She's hewing to her principles and getting out of politics?
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Old 31st December 2019, 09:14 AM   #53
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As much as I like to bag on Biden for trotting out the "be nice to Republicans" nonsense, that isn't all of what he said. He said he was open to the idea, but that he doesn't know of anyone in the GOP that would be acceptable. Basically, a jab at Republicans.
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*Confused* That's what I said he said. I never suggested it was a realistic possibility or anything he actually put on the table.
Bummer. Well, I might vote for him anyway.
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Old 31st December 2019, 09:17 AM   #54
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"We need to help heal the divide in the country" is the Republican version of "I'm sorry I hit you, if you'll forgive me I won't hit you as often for burning dinner."
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Old 31st December 2019, 09:30 AM   #55
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"We need to help heal the divide in the country" is the Republican version of "I'm sorry I hit you, if you'll forgive me I won't hit you as often for burning dinner."
Now you're just being contrarian.

What's your endgame, here? Are you trying to convince me to ignore my feelings on the subject? Talk me out of supporting a Democrat for president? Get me to commit to four more years of mutual hate? If so, you'll have to try harder than that. If not, maybe try the other thing instead?
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Old 31st December 2019, 11:02 AM   #56
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"I'm the one trying to hold us together, but you do stuff that makes me so mad sometimes! If you'd stop being so difficult, maybe that wouldn't happen."

Yup, tracking along perfectly.
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No one is going to heal the divide in the country because it is the corrupt mainstream media that is the driving force of hatred toward conservatives/Republicans.
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Old 31st December 2019, 12:06 PM   #58
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She's spent enough time on the Democrat reservation to know she doesn't like it? She's hewing to her principles and getting out of politics?
Her main principle seemingly "getting me on camera is the greatest good". I mean, we can talk about some of the principles she's hewed in the past.
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Old 31st December 2019, 12:07 PM   #59
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No one is going to heal the divide in the country because it is the corrupt mainstream media that is the driving force of hatred toward conservatives/Republicans.
Yes, that damn mainstream media keeps letting Republicans speak and reports on their actions, which turns people against them.
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Old 31st December 2019, 12:15 PM   #60
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Yes, that damn mainstream media keeps letting Republicans speak and reports on their actions, which turns people against them.
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"I'm the one trying to hold us together, but you do stuff that makes me so mad sometimes! If you'd stop being so difficult, maybe that wouldn't happen."
I'm thinking it doesn't necessarily need to happen. I'm arguing that it doesn't necessarily need to happen.

You're trying to convince me that it does. Why?

I'm trying to figure out if it actually makes sense for me to vote Democrat this year. You're arguing vehemently and offensively that it doesn't. I'm pretty sure I'm not the one on the wrong side of this question.
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Nonsense. Democrats are incapable of happiness.
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Old 31st December 2019, 12:39 PM   #63
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The biggest risk is that McConnell might cave on justices, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, if it will help heal the national divide.
It will not.

Politics is downstream from culture. There is no political solution to what is ultimately a cultural divide.
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Keep being a "Democrat" on Fox, you mean? She spent much of Obama's Presidency bashing Democrats on Fox, apparently, after all.
So she's the John McCain of the Democratic party.
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So apparently Biden is open to the idea of a Republican running mate.

I do wonder if a split party ticket is something we are going to see sooner or later.
I can't see the downside. After all, Biden will only be 78 on inauguration day.
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I get it.
I doubt it.
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So she's the John McCain of the Democratic party.
I think she's more comparable to Ron Paul, honestly. Loony, somewhat incoherent (for example, claiming to be anti-war, but loving drone strikes) policy proposals that aren't really tied to her stated party's goals, cult-like fanbase that only pays attention to what appeals to them and ignores everything else, ties to fringe ideologies, using anti-establishment status to pretend to be somewhat progressive, a history of bigoted statements, etc.

That literally just popped into my head, and I haven't completely thought it out, but it lines up surprisingly well. Better than McCain, at least.

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I've been calling her a clearance rack Ron Paul for a while. At least Paul's strategy was understandable. Throw meat to his base and keep getting elected in his district. Outside of a primetime show on RT, FOX, or some other right wing propaganda network, I have no idea what Gabbard is looking for. A career like Ben Shapiro or Candace Owens would be a step down for her.
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"We need to help heal the divide in the country" is the Republican version of "I'm sorry I hit you, if you'll forgive me I won't hit you as often for burning dinner."
"Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
You take one step forward, he takes one step back.
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man."

Basically I'm saying the demands for compromise or even promises of compromise from the GOP for a long time now have been in such bad faith that it is on them to establish some trust. 'Fool me once can't fool me again' after all.

Although why engage with them here? There is a ton of diversity of opinion with actual independents and withing the Democrats themselves to discuss valid arguments and criticisms. Going through the GOP base is the same as citing an untrustworthy source on any other matter. Sure, they might have a point sometimes, but you'd have to vet it with a valid authority to figure that out. Cut out the middle man.


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As far as split tickets go, Bernie has that covered by himself, right?
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I'm not calling on anyone to heal the divide. I'm saying I'd like to do something about it. If voting Democrat in 2020 will help, then maybe I should vote Democrat.
The divide will be inevitably be worse in 2021 with pretty much any of the Republican leaders in charge, compared to pretty much any of the Democrat leaders. Regardless of which it might be, though, until steps are taken to deal with the root causes, both directly and indirectly, things will just keep getting worse. Those causes are certainly not only caused by Republicans, of course, but Republicans are overwhelmingly the ones that have weaponized them for political and financial gain, both exacerbating the existing problems and creating a steady stream of new problems - problems that anger Democrats in ways that the Republicans have been using to worsen the divide further.


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What's wrong with illegal wars, stealing oil from other countries, encouraging a mad sultan to invade Rojava, helping dark-age penguins to genocide some brown people and cancelling international agreements?

I want back someone who can give a nice face to that like Obama! And that phone call was wrong!
Interestingly, I looked in the dictionary under non sequitur and the above quote was used as the quintessential example. Well done, CE!
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The biggest risk is that McConnell might cave on justices, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, if it will help heal the national divide.
He didn't cave on Merrick Garland and the nation was further divided. He announced that he would proceed to approve a nomination in 2020 should that possibility arise, thereby further dividing the nation. Moscow Mitch is a disaster. Getting rid of him is second only to tied with getting rid of Trump.
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No one is going to heal the divide in the country because it is the corrupt mainstream media that is the driving force of hatred toward conservatives/Republicans.
I have heard from others in real-life that liberals hate conservatives. I see it just the opposite. So I have picked a metric to guage the problem: deaths caused by each side because killing someone over politics seems to me to be the ultimate manifestation of hate. So, give me two numbers BrooklynBaby:
  1. Deaths by conservatives motivated at least in part by politics
  2. Deaths by liberals motivated at least in part by politics
I have my answers ready but will wait for your reply so as to avoid contaminating your response.

ETA: To keep it simple, consider the USA only.

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Old 1st January 2020, 02:25 AM   #74
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Yeah, haha. Have you read her statement on the decision? That's how an adult acts. Unfortunately she's the only one in the room.
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I have read her statement, yes.

It's understandable on its face, but Gabbard has shown a pattern of contrarianism that just makes her look like a spoiled brat. The vast majority of the time before that particular impeachment vote, she voted "not present".

And this is the candidate you are saying is the strongest one for 2020, and she doesn't even have 1% support. She's adopted 2014 Obama's failed "bipartisan" philosophy.
She has missed a lot of votes during her presidential campaign so she was actually not present for those (not that she voted not present). As far as her polling, she's at 1.7% as of this morning on the RCP average (9th place). In NH, where she has concentrated her campaigning, she's at 5.7% (5th place).

I support her and Sanders and also like Klobuchar as my third choice.

Gabbard is right about a lot of things. This whole impeachment thing will hurt Democrats in the Presidential election. It did appease (somewhat) the hardline Democratic base, although those were going to vote Dem regardless.
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Old 1st January 2020, 02:59 AM   #75
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Unlike the geriatric fools the "Democrat" party will funnel into the game (of losing to Trump), she isn't even 40 and will have the integrity credit of resigning over the DNC corruption in 2016 and refusing to take part in the laughable fake "indictment" in 2020. Integrity will be the new value after the big bubble collapses. So maybe she's planning for after the war.

Bernie, the stubborn old fart, could speed it up as I have explained earlier.
Possible maybe
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Old 1st January 2020, 03:03 AM   #76
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
You must have a low opinion of the intelligence of your readership to foist such abject nonsense. As if posters are unable to distinguish between nomination and general election.

Despite that I have exceedingly negative views on Gabbard, I'd vote for her without hesitation versus Trump... in the alternate universe where this is conceivable.
In the state polls where cross voting is allowed in the primaries (some states allow Indies to vote in either primary) or Republicans are polled as well, she seems to have a lot of support across party lines.
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Old 1st January 2020, 11:14 AM   #77
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Originally Posted by RoseMontague View Post
In the state polls where cross voting is allowed in the primaries (some states allow Indies to vote in either primary) or Republicans are polled as well, she seems to have a lot of support across party lines.
Among people least likely to know much about her and least likely to vote for any Dem, she does well.

Not exactly the best indicator.
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Old 1st January 2020, 11:59 AM   #78
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Among people least likely to know much about her and least likely to vote for any Dem, she does well.

Not exactly the best indicator.
Independents like me pay attention to both parties on a state as well as national basis. In New Hampshire the largest voting block is Indie (unaffiliated).
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Old 1st January 2020, 01:25 PM   #79
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I've been calling her a clearance rack Ron Paul for a while. At least Paul's strategy was understandable. Throw meat to his base and keep getting elected in his district. Outside of a primetime show on RT, FOX, or some other right wing propaganda network, I have no idea what Gabbard is looking for. A career like Ben Shapiro or Candace Owens would be a step down for her.
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"Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
You take one step forward, he takes one step back.
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man."

Basically I'm saying the demands for compromise or even promises of compromise from the GOP for a long time now have been in such bad faith that it is on them to establish some trust. 'Fool me once can't fool me again' after all.

Although why engage with them here? There is a ton of diversity of opinion with actual independents and withing the Democrats themselves to discuss valid arguments and criticisms. Going through the GOP base is the same as citing an untrustworthy source on any other matter. Sure, they might have a point sometimes, but you'd have to vet it with a valid authority to figure that out. Cut out the middle man. ...
Lots of validity in this post.
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