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Old 4th February 2020, 10:47 AM   #1
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Another Conservative Voice silenced

Alas, another voice, the stalwart Conservative publication Daily Stormer (not a link to the site itself) has been silenced by...not getting money from its viewers. Obviously, more left win fascism. Do you think Andrew Anglin will be invited to the White House to discuss this atrocity?

Will Trump supporters rally and pay his bills? Or will they let the communist power of the Free Market push down another patriotic American just telling it like it is? How many more intellectuals of the dark web need to persecuted?
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Old 4th February 2020, 11:00 AM   #2
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My thought and prayer: OMG that's hilarious.
Damn, I though this was about Rush Limbauch having terminal lung cancer.
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Anglin — isn’t he the nazi that is supposed to be hiding out in Africa but is really probably in his mom’s basement in Ohio?
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Another war monger attack on anti-imperialism.
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So now far right nutters just get classed as conservatives and not far right nutters?

So all conservatives must far right nutters.

Presumably next it will be these types are GOP voters

All GOP voters are far right nutters

Remind me never to go the US.

It has a ******* sense of perspective.

And no I wouldn't vote GOP if American
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it's not quite that bad.
The key difference between the Right and the Left at this point in US politics is that the Right, unlike the Left, is incredibly reluctant to distance itself from its fringe elements.
As a result, right-wing nutters just don't get the public pushback from their own side they deserve.
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Yes, the left never pander to the fringe. LOL
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
So now far right nutters just get classed as conservatives and not far right nutters?

So all conservatives must far right nutters.

Presumably next it will be these types are GOP voters

All GOP voters are far right nutters

Remind me never to go the US.

It has a ******* sense of perspective.

And no I wouldn't vote GOP if American


The funny thing is that some Nazis call other Nazis that they don’t like national “socialists “ — it’s like an insult in their subculture of infighting. I even heard Alex Jones do this recently.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
So now far right nutters just get classed as conservatives and not far right nutters?

So all conservatives must far right nutters.

Presumably next it will be these types are GOP voters

All GOP voters are far right nutters

Remind me never to go the US.

It has a ******* sense of perspective.

And no I wouldn't vote GOP if American
You got there before me. My first thought was that to hold conservative views in the US automatically makes one a Nazi?

Way to make an argument Usians.
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Thought this was a premature declaration about Rush Limbaugh's impending death from lung cancer.
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You got there before me. My first thought was that to hold conservative views in the US automatically makes one a Nazi?

Way to make an argument Usians.
Some of us are Fiscally Conservative and Socially more Moderate, but don't lock in step with Leftie dogma, so yeah, achtung!
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I saw a quote of someone whining about how not all conservatives are far right nutters and thought I'd just comment on this crappy excuse.

Far right nutters have invited themselves into mainstream conservatism. Mainstream conservatives haven't pushed back and have indeed made common cause with the far right nutters. Thus, but their actions and inactions, mainstream conservatives now own the far right nutters, and thus it is fair to label all conservatives as far right nutters.
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I saw a quote of someone whining about how not all conservatives are far right nutters and thought I'd just comment on this crappy excuse.

Far right nutters have invited themselves into mainstream conservatism. Mainstream conservatives haven't pushed back and have indeed made common cause with the far right nutters. Thus, but their actions and inactions, mainstream conservatives now own the far right nutters, and thus it is fair to label all conservatives as far right nutters.
Far right nutters were invited in by mainstream conservatism when the Republican Party began its Southern Strategy. It was a cynical attempt to gain support from the racists alienated by Johnson’s civil rights initiatives. And it worked. Subsequently the Republican Party continued to move its public policy positions further to the right both because it was a effective means of gaining additional fervent voters and as more of the far right invitees came to gain power within the party organization. Meant as a strategy to exploit the dumb bigots the mainstream conservatives found themselves displaced by and absorbed by the nutters. The camel in the tent proverb.

I did not agree with mainstream conservatives but I respected them. Now they are as rare as the Amur leopard. And many of those who call themselves mainstream today are in the middle of a river diverted miles to the right by the nutters. These are not the mainstream, rationale conservatives I had respect for.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
I saw a quote of someone whining about how not all conservatives are far right nutters and thought I'd just comment on this crappy excuse.

Far right nutters have invited themselves into mainstream conservatism. Mainstream conservatives haven't pushed back and have indeed made common cause with the far right nutters. Thus, but their actions and inactions, mainstream conservatives now own the far right nutters, and thus it is fair to label all conservatives as far right nutters.
Some of us aren't properly Conservatives in your definition, many Dems didnt vote for Hillary incomplacency and are really bad about accepting responsibility there to, because ya know, Trump.
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A few things I should clarify:

1) I won't celebrate someone's cancer. That is not about who Rush Limbaugh is, but rather who I want to be. I am sorry another human being must suffer like that. That is all I am going to say on the issue.

2) Feel free to take your "both sides" reactionism and find someone who cares.

3) Maybe contemporary conservatives don't consider themselves neo-Nazis, but they have no problem reaching out to them. Our current Republican president considers them "very fine people" and gives them prominent positions within his administration. The GOP leadership sees no problem with this. The reality is, contemporary conservatives are, at best, Nazi adjacent. If you don't like this, maybe talk to a conservative about it and ask them how they feel about Banon and Miller. You're more than welcome to try and find an equivalency for Democrats.
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//This is not an exact science, there are exceptions, and this is my own personal rule of thumb, it's not a hard and fast decree even to myself//

Idea people get more slack then action people. Rush Limbaugh is a talking head, he has influence but no direct power. That's lowers the bar for me on what he's responsible for.
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So now far right nutters just get classed as conservatives and not far right nutters?
It's literally how it's ******* defined, even by itself:

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The Daily Stormer is an American far-right neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and Holocaust denial commentary and message board website that advocates for the genocide of Jews. It considers itself a part of the alt-right movement.
We can't use words because you guys seem to get butt hurt about it? I mean, alt-right is extremely conservative and this site had a decent sized following among conservatives and the far right.

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So all conservatives must far right nutters.
No, but all far right nutters are conservatives.

Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Presumably next it will be these types are GOP voters
If that's how they choose to classify themselves by their own admission.

Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
All GOP voters are far right nutters
Again, backwards. All far right nutters are GOP voters.

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Remind me never to go the US.
Don't recall anyone inviting, or requesting your presence, but I'll do my best.

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It has a ******* sense of perspective.
Yeah, unlike NZ that never has any odd, outlandish, or off the wall perspectives. You should find a broader brush to paint with.

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And no I wouldn't vote GOP if American
I don't know if you know this, but you actually don't have to say this every time you make a statement that's derogatory to the left. I mean, those really do seem to be the only comments you make, but this type of "qualification" is really unneeded. People call the ******** in your statements out without needing to say you're a GOP voter, or whatever. We all know you aren't from here because it's been made painfully clear.
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Funny, the only people I ever see citing Daily Stormer as a conservative voice are progressives.
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Do you disagree with the assessment? Why? Do you feel that the Daily Stormer does not express what would, relative to typical American politics, be considered "conservative" viewpoints?
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Yup. Because of the OP logic, William Weld is a nazi. Putting the F in Jref.
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Bill Weld has openly opposed the president and his white supremacist allies. While I think his attempts to "save" the republican party are a fool's errand, he doesn't get friendly with neo-Nazis the way the rest of the party does.
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Do you disagree with the assessment? Why? Do you feel that the Daily Stormer does not express what would, relative to typical American politics, be considered "conservative" viewpoints?
Yes. Because. No.

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It's literally how it's ******* defined, even by itself:



We can't use words because you guys seem to get butt hurt about it? I mean, alt-right is extremely conservative and this site had a decent sized following among conservatives and the far right.



No, but all far right nutters are conservatives.



If that's how they choose to classify themselves by their own admission.



Again, backwards. All far right nutters are GOP voters.



Don't recall anyone inviting, or requesting your presence, but I'll do my best.



Yeah, unlike NZ that never has any odd, outlandish, or off the wall perspectives. You should find a broader brush to paint with.



I don't know if you know this, but you actually don't have to say this every time you make a statement that's derogatory to the left. I mean, those really do seem to be the only comments you make, but this type of "qualification" is really unneeded. People call the ******** in your statements out without needing to say you're a GOP voter, or whatever. We all know you aren't from here because it's been made painfully clear.
I think you missed the word "just"

I know far right nutters are conservatives.

But before I posted the thread was only classifying them as conservative.

And I didn't make a derogatory statement against the left in that post.

Mainly as both sides seem to be as bad as the other.

I made one against the whole country.
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Bill Weld has openly opposed the president and his white supremacist allies. While I think his attempts to "save" the republican party are a fool's errand, he doesn't get friendly with neo-Nazis the way the rest of the party does.
OK, so there are exceptions. Tell this guy that you can't paint everyone with such a broad brush.

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I saw a quote of someone whining about how not all conservatives are far right nutters and thought I'd just comment on this crappy excuse.

Far right nutters have invited themselves into mainstream conservatism. Mainstream conservatives haven't pushed back and have indeed made common cause with the far right nutters. Thus, but their actions and inactions, mainstream conservatives now own the far right nutters, and thus it is fair to label all conservatives as far right nutters.
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Is Bill Weld a mainstream conservative? What makes someone mainstream? You can argue that since Weld seems to be the exception these days, he isn't mainstream.

Also, you said under my logic, Weld was a Nazi.
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Funny, the only people I ever see citing Daily Stormer as a conservative voice are progressives.
Why aren't conservatives quote them to declare that they don't agree with them?
The Stomer definitely thinks it speaks for the Trump-Republicans. Trump routinely talks to far-alt-right nutjobs.

If Conservatives don't want to be lumped together with these nutjobs, they need to speak out - otherwise, there is no need to take their silence as anything but tacit approval.
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Why aren't conservatives quote them to declare that they don't agree with them?

The Stomer definitely thinks it speaks for the Trump-Republicans. Trump routinely talks to far-alt-right nutjobs.



If Conservatives don't want to be lumped together with these nutjobs, they need to speak out - otherwise, there is no need to take their silence as anything but tacit approval.
Which conservatives?
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Which conservatives?
Good question - are there any left?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Good question - are there any left?
Didn't think it was that hard a one tbf.

Politicians?

Are you wanting them to stop mid way through interviews and go.

"OK people. I know you need to know actual issues, but I need to read this list of things I don't agree with. It should only take about 1/2 an hour"

Because I have never seen any on the left do that.

Do they secretly agree with the far right? As they rarely say they don't publicly
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You haven't heard a Democrat talk smack about Antifa?
Or parts of the MeToo Movement?


Of course, the far-left usually doesn't call for their opponents to be hunted down and killed.
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You haven't heard a Democrat talk smack about Antifa?
Or parts of the MeToo Movement?


Of course, the far-left usually doesn't call for their opponents to be hunted down and killed.
You think every one involved in the metoo thing are left?
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Scratch that sorry. Misread your
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I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.

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Old 6th February 2020, 01:26 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post


Of course, the far-left usually doesn't call for their opponents to be hunted down and killed.
That is because both the far right and left are idiot nutters.

But this doesn't answer who you want to suddenly list everyone they disagree with
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I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.

Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
That is because both the far right and left are idiot nutters.

But this doesn't answer who you want to suddenly list everyone they disagree with
There's a HUGE difference. Left wing idiot nutters exist on the fringe. Whereas right wing idiot nutters run the country. And that's not the only huge difference, when we consider who goes around killing people.
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
Also, you said under my logic, Weld was a Nazi.
Sorry - that was my error.
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The far right is fascism and the far left is communism.

Politics is way more complicated than simple dichotomies.

Before the election of Trump I would have said both sides are embarrassed by their extremes.
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